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[Closed] Singletrack Decide Not To Cover the Danny MacAskill Playboy Video

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Following the [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/oh-dear-danny-macaskill-please-dont-do-the-playboy-mansion-thing- ]Oh dear Danny Macaskill - please don't do the Playboy Mansion thing[/url]
thread I saw this:

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Looks like STW are getting a bit of a pounding for it though judging by the comments on road.cc and the Evans facebook page which picked it up:

http://road.cc/content/news/125708-danny-macaskill-under-fire-over-playboy-mansion-video

https://www.facebook.com/evanscycles/photos/a.134484779909268.18970.128709230486823/826296710728068/?type=1

Good on them I say!

I like Danny. But it's hard enough getting women into cycling (and getting them accepted by the male egos there) without this kind of dated "mags lad" video.

Read the breathless drooling in mainstream rags like the Record or the Mirror: [i]"ride of his life"[/i], [i]"eye candy"[/i], [i]"saucy stunners"[/i], [i]"scantily-clad models"[/i], [i]"buxom beauties"[/i], [i]"every male’s fantasy"[/i] etc etc ...

... pathetic out-of-date misogyny and I'm glad Singletrack have taken the higher horse on this one.

Well done.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:31 pm
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STW, now sponsored by the Daily Mail

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:32 pm
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STW, now sponsored by the Daily Mail

???

You have clearly never browsed the Daily Mail Sidebar of Shame.
This is exactly the kind of story they lap up.

Here's just the first few stories in today's:

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Hardly a shining beacon of Feminist Action is it?

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:34 pm
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+1

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:34 pm
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So Mark is taking a bit of a pounding, eh?

Hopefully he has a decent rearguard action.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:34 pm
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Hardly, this is EXACTLY the sort of thing the Daily Mail would put links to from their website. And click throughs from STW to the Daily Mail are blocked.

Beaten to it.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:35 pm
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Selfrighteous Twunt World?

I'm far more annoyed that people feel the need to politicise every damn thing than a pop manufacturer making a video of a kid doing bike stunts in front of girls in bikinis.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:35 pm
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Meanwhile from the Redbull Gazette

'We Don't Give A Toss'

For yoofs innit, not the demographic on the radio 4 of off road cycling (here). Shame, cos it is tacky and harumph inducing but then I'm only saying that cos I'm old and square.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:37 pm
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I'm with Mark on this one. Even the thought of playboy makes me think of s****ing 14 year olds and Jimmy Saville.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:39 pm
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tbh i would take the view that it's an absolutely cr@p video as good enough reason not to view it.

I can't believe the thread about it went on for so long as there wasn't exactly much playboy bunny content and certainly nothing much to be outraged over. Just a disappointing attempt to make a bike video and not up to Danny's or Redbull's usual standards.

But, they were given the chance to ride and film there - why not? As long as they didn't jump over girls involved in soft (or hard) porn I don't see a problem. Just next time make the riding worth the effort. (obviously I can't do anything like Danny can do but know he can do better and enjoy watching these types of videos when done properly).

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:40 pm
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You have clearly never browsed the Daily Mail Sidebar of Shame.

Nah, you need the [url= http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/sideboob/ ]HuffPo Sideboob page[/url]
(May not be entirely SFW, folks)

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:40 pm
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I'm with Mark on this one. Even the thought of playboy makes me think of s****ing 14 year olds and Jimmy Saville.

You seem like a decent sort, Adam. But u wot m8?

If Playboy makes you think of, world renown paedophile/necrophiliac, Mr Saville, then I would love to see the mental gymnastics that got you to that conclusion.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:40 pm
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Fair enough for not wanting to cover it; it's their choice but shouting it from the rooftops is desperate and a bit pathetic. It smacks of the saddo schoolkid trying to woo the pretty girl.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:41 pm
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I heard he only went for the articles

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:42 pm
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I'm far more annoyed that people feel the need to politicise every damn thing..

Then you get older and realise that every damn thing [i]IS[/i] political!

The media our society produces shapes how our society develops.
If we don't criticise it then how can we change it?

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:42 pm
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Presumably Danny is keeping quiet and not making any comments?

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:45 pm
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[img] http://forums.bestbuy.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/3550iE9AE1EBC6A4C63CC [/img]

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:45 pm
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and the real result - everyone is still talking about it.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:47 pm
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Why on earth does the monster saville need to mentioned in this thread? Seriously try and at least keep it on topic 🙄

As for the actual topic I'm with STW on this one.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:48 pm
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shouting it from the rooftops is desperate and a bit pathetic.

They tweeted about it. One tweet in thousands in the TwitterStorm surrounding the video. That's not exactly shouting about it - it's just taking a position.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:48 pm
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Everybody, look at us, look at us! We are not showing this video but here have some free publicity anyway.

Load of shite.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:51 pm
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Good on you STW! Some of the posts on road.cc are pure dickhead bingo.

And don't see how posting about it/not featuring it is making a mountain out of a molehill?

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:51 pm
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Great decision by Singletrack. Another reason to buy their mag rather than MBUK or similar, where you're still likely to find the odd female in the ads, draped over some obscure bike components or cheesy clothing.

This: "But it's hard enough getting women into cycling (and getting them accepted by the male egos there) without this kind of dated "mags lad" video."

Plus the riding in the film was shite.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:51 pm
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That's not exactly shouting about it - it's just taking a position.

To me it's the taking a position thing that comes up in here loads on the "What will you be doing to avoid the _______" threads of trying to point out that you just purchased a fine acre of moral high ground to build an ivory tower and a glass house.

If you don't want to support something and give it publicity then just don't talk about it.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:52 pm
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Presumably Danny is keeping quiet and not making any comments?
too busy slacklining

Fair enough for not wanting to cover it; it's their choice but shouting it from the rooftops is desperate and a bit pathetic.
is 1 tweet shouting from the rooftops? I've only heard about it from this thread, they didn't put owt up on the front-page (I had to check, don't hit front page very often 😳 )

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:53 pm
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How should they have handled it then rene59, a discrete hand-written note to every member explaining their decision?

Or just completely ignore it and condone it with their silence?

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:53 pm
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Remember kids. There is good controversial, and bad controversial.

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Posted : 04/08/2014 12:54 pm
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Well this has got legs.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:54 pm
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Do they feel the need to explain every other video they don't cover?

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:54 pm
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I'm delighted the Danny M video is not being covered. Well done STW

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:57 pm
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I'm delighted the Danny M video is not being covered. Well done STW

*chuckles*

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 12:58 pm
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[video]

If it was 98 they could show this one 🙂

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:00 pm
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I've seen the vain vagrant vid mentioned a few times, what's the 'link' between it and the Danny Mac video? (at work so can't watch any vids 😥 )

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:01 pm
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I quite enjoy reading Playboy.
I'm 39.
Let's do a survey now.
Who reads the Sun?
Or the Daily Star?
Be honest now.
I can guarantee what you read in see and read in Playboy will be far more beneficial than the garbage forced into people on a daily basis..

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:01 pm
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I only read the Morning Star and vintage copies of Razzle that I keep in a hedge

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:02 pm
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what's the 'link' between it and the Danny Mac video?

The Danny Mac Red Bull/Playboy ad is controversial as it has women in swimwear wandering round and objections to the objectification of women.

The Vain Variant vid is a bit weird and using term controversial will ensure more hits to it.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:04 pm
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what's the 'link'

Tokenism?

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:04 pm
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I watched the video over the weekend.

If you want a video showcasing the amazing skills of Danny, all his previous ones are much better in my opinion. The stunts and camera work fall short of what he has produced before.

If you want a video of girls in bikini's, the internet is full of them.

It seemed to me to be purely a stunt to generate this type of chat and controversy.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:05 pm
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Condone it by silence..... 😆

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:06 pm
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Condone it by silence..... 😆

Why funny? You think that doesn't happen?

If no one speaks out about something then it is taken as accepted, which only gives more power to the people holding that viewpoint.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:20 pm
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You only have to look on the Mirror website to see how the misogynists see this..

RIDE of his life (s****)

The Playboy Mansion has seen more than its fair share of action over the years. (action, fnarr)

how to thrill the ladies (go on my son)

scantily clad models (phoar)

audience of buxom beauties parading (hubba hubba)

enjoy a splash with the saucy stunners (bet she's a goer)

a selection of gorgeous glamour girls (etc etc etc)

Can't blame Singletrack for not wanting anything to do with that, and disappointed that Danny thought it was a good idea, he deserves all the criticism he gets.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:22 pm
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If no one speaks out about something then it is taken as accepted

Except its not. Read the thread on here which was long before the tweet. People will form their own views. The opinion of a MTB magazine IT bod isn't going to change anything.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:25 pm
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You only have to look on the Mirror website to see how the misogynists see this..

RIDE of his life (s****)

The Playboy Mansion has seen more than its fair share of action over the years. (action, fnarr)

how to thrill the ladies (go on my son)

scantily clad models (phoar)

audience of buxom beauties parading (hubba hubba)

enjoy a splash with the saucy stunners (bet she's a goer)

a selection of gorgeous glamour girls (etc etc etc)

Can't blame Singletrack for not wanting anything to do with that, and disappointed that Danny thought it was a good idea, he deserves all the criticism he gets.

So you went over to the Mirror's website to confirm what you already knew? That tabloid newspapers are on a seaside postcard level of maturity. Ironically, this is exactly the type of nudge nudge wink wink, you wouldn't get in Playboy.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:28 pm
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STW made the right choice.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:31 pm
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I'd just like to point out that the Playboy Mansion isn't the same thing as the magazine Playboy.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:33 pm
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If Playboy makes you think of, world renown paedophile/necrophiliac, Mr Saville, then I would love to see the mental gymnastics that got you to that conclusion.

Yeah that's a bit of hyperbole - but there is definitely a [i]slightly creepy[/i] aspect to a very rich, powerful 88 year old man who lives in a mansion full of "barely legal" girls dressed in bunny outfits.

No?

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:34 pm
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Ironically, this is exactly the type of nudge nudge wink wink, you wouldn't get in Playboy.

I bow to your expertise here

Its not a surprise given what mark said on that thread

Its not a surprise some men disagree
They probably dont want their daughters to work for Hugh though

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:34 pm
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No I didn't have to go there to confirm what I already knew, but to use it as an example as to how the video will appear to the knuckle draggers.

It is ironic that you won't get nudge nudge wink wink in Playboy, because that is exactly how the video is being received by the looks of the comments on Danny's page, regardless as to how much research they do into women's sexual liberation.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:35 pm
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I'd just like to point out that the Playboy Mansion isn't the same thing as the magazine Playboy.

This is the first in a new series of posts, where Dez points out two things that are different.

Next week, Dez points out that a pineapple, and the assassinated president of Egypt, Anwar Sadat, are in fact, different.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:36 pm
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Seems a bit odd to come out in opposition to this - if you don't like the vid, then just don't publish it - no need to draw attention to the matter with a statement.

I appreciate STW is a business, and the owners have the right to decide whatever they wish to promote, but surely it's best to go with whatever is the views of your demographic, and if you're unsure then just don't comment on the matter?

So far on Youtube it's been viewed by 703,585 people of which 7,843 have voted on it.

98.15% of these votes are thumbs up (7,698) and 1.85% (145) are thumbs down. This is fairly indicative of the video, on the whole, not causing too much offence. Content wise, compared to the average hip hop video it's pretty tame.

Granted it's not Danny's best work, but this is probably due to the fact that they presumably had a limited time on the location for the shoot, and so couldn't be as ambitious as previous projects.

Given all the events that are going on around the world, there are far more controversial and important issues to highlight, than a relatively harmless video on Youtube.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:37 pm
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Crap video, good riding poor camera work and editing, right decision by the Singletack gods not to promote it.

The sort of thing 14 year old teenagers would s**** over in the late eighties as Adam w said and no place in thie year 2014.

Well done stw.

 
Posted : 04/08/2014 1:38 pm
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