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Rugby world cup
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TandemJeremyFree Member
twohunnerd!
Just watched the Scotland game again – yup – loads of Irish offside and not penalised – but why did the scots forwards not sort ’em out? You play to the ref andthat one was more tolerent that some – so the Scots forwards shulod hve been getting them out of there.
anagallis_arvensisFull Memberas neither team was at full strength
That was the strongest welsh 15 available, apart from maybe swapping Jones or Delve for Falatau.
Wales needed tries so kicking to the corners was the only way back
Wales were not kicking goals when they scored their first try to take the lead. Still not to worry if your happy with that performance from england good luck to you I ust hope the coaches are as blinkered.
deadlydarcyFree Memberloads of Irish offside and not penalised
Nope, incorrect 🙂
Down to the Scotch forwards I’m afraid.
TandemJeremyFree MemberVery telling that Englands first penalty – kick for goal. Wales – kick tot eh corner.
Waht is the point of giving Wilkinson goals to kick in these games – we know he can.
monkey_boyFree Memberdrop goals should be banned, or only allowed from your own half.
i cant wait till wilkinson retires 😉
TandemJeremyFree MemberDD – there was loads of them offside. Its very easy to see – the game is on iplayer – but you are right and as I said the scots forwards should have cleared them out.
TimPFree MemberI did say at full strength, not what was available? I am sure you would want Jones, Rees and Jenkins in the front row? And Wales took the lead about 15mins in from 3-0 down at which point I hope Eng would have done the same (I doubt they would, but wishful thinking).
I have never said I was happy with the performance, just that it isn’t as bad as some people want it to be.
anagallis_arvensisFull Memberi cant wait till wilkinson retires
I like Wilkinson a model professional and always plays hard and fair.
toys19Free MemberI like Wilkinson a model professional and always plays hard and fair.
+1
monkey_boy you are only complaining about what is obvious, I cannot see how he has been detrimental to the english game in any way.
anagallis_arvensisFull MemberI cannot see how he has been detrimental to the english game in any way.
well he cant pass water or get a backline moving
TandemJeremyFree MemberWilkinson is and always has been a limited player. Great for rugby of the 2003 style but the game has moved on. England will not win the WC and will not regularly trouble the top nations playing in a 2003 style.
Even Wales outscored them on tries.
DaRC_LFull MemberI like Wilkinson a model professional and always plays hard and fair.
+1
Yep England didn’t look great vs Wales but I thought that we had no chance in the last World Cup but we made it to the final again!
Of course the money has to be on NZ to win unless they <cough, splutter, cough>
duckmanFull MemberSorry DD, been out all day;
can you find any quotes to show Ireland were offside
Here you go;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b013cwz0/Rugby_Union_2011_2012_Scotland_v_Ireland/
Starts at about 0mins 2secs and goes on until about 80mins.
(That was an olive branch/joke btw, please don’t produce a long reply,refuting any wrong doing on Ireland’s part)
deadlydarcyFree MemberSo you can’t find any quotes then. Fair enough. I might watch that display of Scotch ineptitude at rucking if I can be bothered but it’s unlikely. 🙂
deadlydarcyFree Memberdeadlydarcy, you must have been born in Llanelli?
Only if I was unlucky Idle, but sadly no, Irish by birth, Munster by the grace of whoever 😛
duckmanFull MemberWhen are the teams listed for the Wales match? It is not Henson v Tuilangi I want to see, I think Henson would knock him over,and have too much in his locker(next to the fake tan and hair wax) to make it anything except an uncomfortable day for an (as yet) raw player out of position.It would be the battle between Gav and Flutey I would like to see.I would imagine Tindall will get his turn this week however.
anagallis_arvensisFull MemberHenson usually plays (and has always for Walespart from his games at 10 and 15)) 12 so would be up against Flutey, however the way defences work as was seen with Roberts hammering Tuilagi a few times last week and Henson running about with Tait all those years ago 12 often ends up defending against a 13. Potentially Hensons passing game might cause problems for Tuilagi in defence. All will be a mute point if Henson still looks shy of contact as he did against Fiji.
anagallis_arvensisFull Memberhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/aug/09/danny-cipriani-melbourne-rebels
Melbourne, are on what is officially termed a development tour, but Friday’s game will be watched by the Wales coaching team, including Warren Gatland and Shaun Edwards, who have released Gareth Delve to play.
It means that the No8 is certain not to figure in Saturday’s second World Cup warm-up match against England at Cardiff and having missed the first at Twickenham, suggests that Delve has become a more peripheral figure in Welsh plans. It had seemed otherwise when he was rushed out to join their second training camp in Poland having only just arrived in Britain.
**** hell that pisses me off.
anagallis_arvensisFull MemberTindall captain…will resume his midfield partnership with Shontayne Hape.
Toby Flood is to return at fly-half, while Saracens scrum-half Richard Wigglesworth comes in for Danny Care.
Ben Foden and Chris Ashton will be handed their first starts of the summer, with Mark Cueto retaining his place on the left wing.
In the pack, Easter, Tom Wood and Hendrie Fourie will form a new-look back row, while Alex Corbisiero, Steve Thompson and Dan Cole are to be named as the front row.
Courtney Lawes has recovered from the neck injury he sustained during a trial match last month to return to the second row, where he will partner Louis Deacon.
It is understood that there will be no place in the match 22 for Gloucester wing Charlie Sharples or Harlequins wing Ugo Monye.
The headline change to the Wales side will see Gavin Henson return at inside centre, with Jamie Roberts switching to 13.
James Hook, fit again after a shoulder injury, will start at full-back while Rhys Priestland continues at fly-half, having deputised impressively for Stephen Jones, who was forced to withdraw moments before kick-off last Saturday with a calf injury.
Lions prop Adam Jones returns at tighthead prop while Luke Charteris comes into the second row in place of Bradley Davies.
GAVIN Henson is poised to start for Wales against England on Saturday — with James Hook expected to line up at full-back.
And Lloyd Burns and Luke Charteris are expected to feature in a pack that looks likely to contain four Dragons.
Warren Gatland was set to announce the changes when he named his team at lunchtime today.
For Henson, it is all or nothing time, the gilt-edged chance he has been waiting for to book his World Cup ticket.
He sat out the 23-19 defeat against Martin Johnson’s side at Twickenham when Jamie Roberts, Jonathan Davies and Scott Williams all sought to advance their claims.
But, according to a well-placed source, Henson has apparently looked “a class apart” in training.
Gatland is unlikely to take all four centres but in Henson’s favour is his ability to operate as a playmaker, allied to vast experience that has seen him feature in two Grand Slams.
But he still has to impress Gatland in a game situation and that is why the match in Cardiff this weekend will be of huge importance.
It will also be a big game for Hook. The gifted Perpignan-bound utility back would doubtless have preferred to feature at fly-half but Priestland has made a major impression in the pivotal role and is pushing hard to be considered first choice for the World Cup opener against South Africa, with Stephen Jones continuing to be sidelined by the calf problem he sustained during the warm-up for last Saturday’s game.
With Jamie Roberts and Jonathan Davies making the running at centre, and Henson back in the frame, Hook finds himself being considered for the No. 15 role, where Gatland also has Lions Test man Lee Byrne at his disposal.
Former Cross Keys hooker Burns is due to come in for his first start, after Huw Bennett set the bar high at hooker last weekend, while Charteris is in line to feature in a pack that is tipped to include fellow Dragon Dan Lydiate and Sam Warburton.
Wales (possible): J. Hook; G. North, J. Roberts, G. Henson, S. Williams; R. Priestland, M. Phillips; P. James, L. Burns, C. Mitchell, L. Charteris, A. W. Jones, D. Lydiate, T. Faletau, S. Warburton (capt).
If that front five is true it could get very messy for Wales, although the first article from the telegraph suggests Adam Jones back at 3 which would be a positive. It looks increasingly likely that Byrne and Rees (maybe Hibbard as well) are crocked and wont be going Lloyd Burns is not ready. Suggest to me that Faletau must be likely to go ahead of Powell, someone should tell the selectors there are not motorways for him to escape down in golf buggies in NZ.
IdleJonFree MemberWales:
James Hook; George North; Jamie Roberts, Gavin Henson; Shane Williams; Rhys Priestland, Mike Phillips; Paul James, Lloyd Burns, Craig Mitchell, Luke Charteris, Alun Wyn Jones, Dan Lydiate, Sam Warburton, Toby FaletauReplacements: Huw Bennett, Ryan Bevington, Josh Turnbull, Justin Tipuric, Tavis Knoyle, Scott Williams, Aled Brew
England:
Ben Foden (Northampton); Chris Ashton (Northampton), Mike Tindall (Gloucester, capt), Shontayne Hape (London Irish), Mark Cueto (Sale); Toby Flood (Leicester), Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens); Alex Corbisiero (London Irish), Steve Thompson (Wasps), Dan Cole (Leicester); Louis Deacon (Leicester), Courtney Lawes (Northampton); Tom Wood (Northampton), Hendre Fourie (Sale), Nick Easter (Harlequins).Replacements: Lee Mears (Bath), Matt Stevens (Saracens), Tom Palmer (Stade Francais), James Haskell (Ricoh Black Rams), Danny Care (Harlequins), Charlie Hodgson (Saracens), Matt Banahan (Bath).
anagallis_arvensisFull MemberThat welsh front 5 is going to be destroyed, still at least I get to swoon over Gav 😆
TandemJeremyFree MemberIs there something in the england contracts that means they have to have a donkey playing somewhere?
deadlydarcyFree Memberstill at least I get to swoon over Gav
It’ll provide a whole page worth of posts in itself. Will he get a full game? 🙂
CaptainFlashheartFree MemberTandemJeremy – Member
Is there something in the england contracts that means they have to have a donkey playing somewhere?Yep. In the same way that the Scotchish have to have an ugly ginger bloke, Wales have to have someone with a truly terrible barnet etc. etc. etc.
😉
TandemJeremyFree MemberOi – Our ginger blokes right now are rather fine -especially the strawberry blond 🙂
Scotland play an invisible 16th player that everyone passes to inside the 22
What happened to the hair bear bunch? Adam Jones was always a favourite of mine for his fantastic interviews
CaptainFlashheartFree MemberScotland play an invisible 16th player that everyone passes to inside the 22
😆
IdleJonFree MemberTandemJeremy – Member
Is there something in the england contracts that means they have to have a donkey playing somewhere?I just assumed he was the interpreter seeing as English isn’t their common language anymore.
IdleJonFree MemberTandemJeremy – Member
Scotland play an invisible 16th player that everyone passes to inside the 22
It’s the opposite for Wales – they have forwards who become invisible every time they ref says ‘Scrum’.
CaptainFlashheartFree MemberI just assumed he was the interpreter seeing as English isn’t their common language anymore.
No, that’s unfair. New Zealand rugby league internationals can speak English.
deadlydarcyFree MemberApparently the green machine has 2 or 3 extra forwards that are invisible to the ref but visible to those watching on tv. 🙂
anagallis_arvensisFull MemberJames Hook v Ben Foden 😯
George North v Chris Ashton 😕
Jamie Roberts v Mike Tindall 😆
Gavin Henson v Shontayne Hape ?
Shane Williams v Mark Cueto 😀
Rhys Priestland v Toby Flood 🙁
Mike Phillips v Richard Wigglesworth 😆
Paul James v Alex Corbisiero 😕
Lloyd Burns v Steve Thompson 😯
Craig Mitchell v Dan Cole 😯
Luke Charteris v Lois Deacon 😯
Alun Wyn Jones v Courtney Lawes 😕
Dan Lydiate v Tom Wood 😯
Sam Warburton v Hendre Fourie 😀
Toby Faletau v Nick Easter 😯What happened to the hair bear bunch?
Well Adam Jones became the saviour of the British Lions scrum and is a world class tighthead. Duncan Jones the blonde one got injured and never reached the same level and is well behind gethin Jenkins
IdleJonFree Memberdeadlydarcy – Member
Apparently the green machine has 2 or 3 extra forwards that are invisible to the ref but visible to those watching on tv.The ref can’t see what’s going on because Paul O’Connell constantly fills his field of view shouting at him.
And if O’Connell is busy killing the ball, then it will be O’Driscoll.
And if O’Driscoll busy pulling back an opposition player it will be O’Gara.
You get the idea.
(And, honestly, I’m joking, dd!)
deadlydarcyFree MemberRaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhh!
Btw, IJ, I’m sure there was a joke behind the Llanelli question, but it went over my head. What was it? 🙂
IdleJonFree MemberYep a joke.
Llanelli supporters are renowned in Wales as being ‘one eyed’. The phrase ‘one-eyed Turk’ is well understood – a Turk being a person from Llanelli for some reason.
It’s not something I’ve come across with specific sets of supporters from other nations.
I do genuinely think that Ireland ‘test’ the breakdown laws in quite a ‘robust’ fashion and often come close to the edge of legality. (More than the conservative play of Wales, for instance). What you may say is ok, as an Irish supporter, looks completely illegal as an opposition supporter.
As you rightly say though, the sole arbiter is the ref, and if he isn’t penalising Ireland then the forwards are doing their job properly.
It’s certainly not something I’d argue about! 🙂
duckmanFull MemberThat’s really decent of England playing Hape,at least it will break Gav in gently.I cannot believe he even made the initial squad, hell he wouldn’t even get a game for us.
Hape doing his warm up…
TandemJeremyFree MemberWhat is it with England and centres? Scotland as well for that matter. Just no quality at all.
CaptainFlashheartFree MemberTandemJeremy – Member
What is it with England and centres? Scotland as well for that matter. Just no quality at all.England can just get another New Zealand international to play for them, shirley?
😉
BTW, has Jamie Roberts ever been seen in the same room as Desperate Dan?
Roberts;
Dan;
TandemJeremyFree Membervery good CFH
Up here we knew Dan Parks as desperate Dan- for slightly different reasons
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