Rugby world cup

Hahahahaha.

Ireland and NZ figures almost identical.

You’re ‘aving a giraffe mate.

Bumpety dump.

Can’t see the Gloucester Exiles putting 4 tries past England so looks like they will be thankfully back at Kingsholm a bit earlier than expected. 😀

DS you have me on killfile? I just said exactly the same thing as you 5 posts up…

Killfile is for children, I prefer the more adult method of ignoring certain log-in names. 😉

Ah ok.

It all gets a bit confusing the permutations but I have copied this from a rugby forum and it seems to be right

So that is interesting. It means if Argentina get 5 points against Georgia, Scotland can go through instead of England by beating England by more than 8 points (and denying England a 4-try bonus point).

That would put both Scotland and England on 14 points, with Argentina top on 15 points. Scotland would go through on the direct result.

Obviously it’s easier if Argentina lose, but it’s possible for Scotland to tie with England on points and go through, despite the hugely inferior points difference, provided Argentina don’t also draw level on points.

that is quite possible – for Scotland to beat England by more than 8 pts.

TeeJ I love you for your eternal optimism. Don’t ever change sweetcheeks. 😀

Darcy, he’s right though. It is quite possible just not quite likely.

😉

No O’Flashearty, it’s quite possible.

It is theoretically possible but not likely.
Teej do not believe other peoples crap do your own research man. (and you two naughty boys cfh & DD) .
The “direct result” is only 1 part of 5 steps that need to be gone throught to rank the pool in the event of a draw.

From the RWC site rules page http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/tournamentrules/index.html
If you read the page or the quote below you will see that the pool rankings are determined by steps 1-5 below (see bold bit) .
If scotland beat us by 8 then ok they go up one rank because they won, but then we go up because of points diff, tries diff, points tally and tries tally.

So unless scotland can put 81 points on us, and 15 tries even with a pool pts draw, we still go through. Or then they have to go up by 4 ranks as they are currently 8th and we are 4th. IRB rankings

Rankings at the completion of the pool phase

At the completion of the pool phase, the teams in a pool are ranked one through five based on their cumulative match points, and identified respectively as winner, runner-up, third, fourth and fifth.

If at the completion of the pool phase two or more teams are level on match points, then the following criteria shall be used in the following order until one of the Teams can be determined as the higher ranked:

The winner of the match in which the two tied teams have played each other shall be the higher ranked;
The team which has the best difference between points scored for and points scored against in all its pool matches shall be the higher ranked;
The team which has the best difference between tries scored for and tries scored against in all its pool matches shall be the higher ranked;
The team which has scored most points in all its pool matches shall be the higher ranked;
The team which has scored most tries in all its pool matches shall be the higher ranked;
Should the tie be unresolved at the conclusion of steps 1 through 5, the team that is higher ranked in the updated Official IRB World Rankings on October 3, 2011.

That’s what I said! 😉

So unless scotland can put 81 points on us[England]

That is also quite possible.

Yeah I know CFH, you said it with more “brevity” than I. 😆

81 points. ho ho

O’Flashearty you ninja editing b’stard you! 😮

MY EDTNG IZ NNJA

stevewhyte – Member
Ref was a ucnt and thats all im saying on the matter.

He was indeed. Ritchey Gray should have been carded for pulling a man down at the line-out, and the ref kept alternating penalties at the scrum where Argentine were dominant. I’d also play devil’s advocate and suggest that Morrison should have been carded at 40 seconds for a very cynical shoulder charge on Contepomi. It wasn’t crossing as the ref said, he just wanted to smack the main Argie playmaker early on.

toys19 – Member
Yeah that is your only hope, beat us and georgia beat arg. Neither likely.. Can anyone see scotland putting four tries on us?

I can quite see Scotland winning, but not with 4 tries.

Toys you’ve misunderstood that rule. You only go through as many steps as you need to to split the teams. If they beat us and are level on points then they are above us in the pool on the direct result – the first of the 5 steps. The other steps are irrelevant as the teams were split on the first.

sssh

just watched the highlights prog, its quite amazing how poor a set of professional rugby players are at straightening, fixing and drawing a player before passing, seemingly no one in the Scotland team can do it. Watch Comtempomi in the lead up to their try for a lesson on how to do it.

Ohhh AA you are viscous. Anyway half fthe england team have the same affliction..

to be fair the welsh midfield aint too hot at it either, its why Wales miss the man god Henson so much, he does this seemingly simple thing extremely well. How many times do we see even at this level people butcher overlap chances by throwing misspasses.

viscous

I dont pour well?

I dont pour well?

Exactly..

I’m sticking to my ego do it all yourself theory. Thats the root cause of no/crap offloads.

Indeed AA. Contepomi created the space for the try really well although the scorer stillhad a lot to do and a couple of tackles missed

Scotland usually make a load of offloads. Todays loss was all about the breakdown – how many times did Argentina take the ball – not so much the fault of the tackled player but that of the supporting players – first to the breakdown gets the ball or a penalty and usually the first there was an argie. Scotland just didn’t ruck properly.

I shall console myself with

Pretty much the perfect beer for you, TJ! 😉

I have a bottle of Fuller’s Golden Pride chilling. ‘Tis a scary monster….

Now then, about the game tomorrow.

Wales WILL win. Of that I am sure. By a good enough margin? I really don’t know.

CaptainFlashheart – Member

Pretty much the perfect beer for you, TJ!

Indeed – I am spicy, aromatic and zesty. that is what you mean isn’t it?

If you haven’t tried that beer O’Flashearty, I can recommend it. Bootiful blonde ale. 🙂

The only real consolation I can take from today’s game is that it really does put some spice into next weekeend’s fixtures

In all honesty Scotland are all but on the plane home :-(. But… It is not a totally ridiculous dream (and for now that is all we have)that Scotland can beat England by > 7 points AND Argentina will get a BP against Georgia (who will have had a thumping encounter with Romania mid week). Likely? No. Possible? Maybe.

If Scotland beat England by 8 points or more there will be some nervous onlookers at 3am Sunday morning!!! English hoping for a tight game with a close result or draw. Scotland hoping for anything but a close Argentine win.

Certainly have tried it, Darcy. For Scotchish beers, I prefer Williams Bros or Brewdog, though.

Of course this does set up a heroic failure opportunity for Scotland – what odds do I get on Scotland winning but by not enough? So England go thru on a losers bonus point?

TJ you are asking for odds but are not a betting man? I bet you a fiver on the argies beating you, you wouldn’t take it. How about a fiver on England winning next weekend? Or call it two pints chosen and purchased by the loser to be bestowed on the winner?

I have a bottle of Fuller’s Golden Pride chilling

chilling?
beer should not be chilled, unless you don’t want to taste it
I guess it’s a strong one isn’t it so maybe you don’t want to taste it
.
I’m having a room temperature one of these 🙂

Brakes, cellar temperature!

It’s quite the little fighter of a beer, too.

Beer should be 12 / 13 degrees C. Not chilled but not room temp either

my beer cellar (behind the sofa) is next to a drafty window, so is probably about 15 C 😛

Right, back to rugby.

Winning margin for tomorrow? I’m going for 30.

CaptainFlashheart – Member

Right, back to rugby.

No I’m sulking.

I would hope for more than 30points but then this is Wales so any sort of bonus point win will do.

Shetland Pony this morning, little hoarse 😀

Let’s start with the important things. $7.50 for a can of Heineken FFS. Had high hopes on the burgers as well but same sh1t in fancy nancy new wrapper, $7.50 for that as well. Would have been more nutritous to eat my shoes.

Awful night for rugby really but I expected that to suit us a bit more. Great atmosphere, HUGE amount of pumas fans – all good fun. Distinct lack of pipers as well 🙄 Was freezing cold and miserable. We really have no look of a team that could go anywhere eh ? I’d be ambarassed to go up against SA/Wallabies/AB in this state. Oh well, good game shaping up next Saturday. Also extremely awesome to bump into an old mate at the trough pre-game. Not much hand shaking happened to be fair …

Bore da!

Just hoping for no major injuries today…..

Shwmae