Rugby world cup

A-A; I am afraid TJ has you there, last three years,one apiece and a draw,and this;

You need to face facts TJ scotland are rubbish, England are much better and 9 times out of ten will beat scotland home or away

is statistically inaccurate.

Oh and thank God nobody remembers who won,just the number of tries they scored…oh hang on 8)

What happened to A-A’s pin up yesterday, was he injured? I only saw the highlights of the England/occupied territory game.

is statistically inaccurate

how can it, the current Scotchland team hasnt played the current englandshire team 10 times, they only play once a season. If you want stats tell me how many tries scotland have scored in the last 3 years against top nations which we’ll take as six nations teams and tri nations teams? Then tell me how many of those were against the weak teams like Wales and Italy, tell you what we’ll trow in Argentina too as they are on a level with Wales, Italy and Scotland.

Scotland may beat England at the world cup but its unlikley, very unlikely

53/33/14 In Englands favour, hardly dominant is it? Away now to look at the World Cup stats…

Wales and england are pretty much level on historical record but england are currently a much better team, these stats are pointless.

Is that eng v Scot win lose and draw? If so it is fairly dominant 🙂

A a is right, its like comparing Manchester utd and Liverpool, fairly equal titles count but Liverpool haven’t won it for donkeys years.

ah, a handy thread. i had a wee bit of a rare foray into tv watching today and saw a some of the highlights of the england-wales game. now forgive me if i’m a bit behind the times you rugby viewing types but can you explain why england are dressed as the all blacks? is this a new tactic to fool the opposition? and if so who will they dress up as next?

If so it is fairly dominant

It suggests that England would win half of all matches played. I wouldn’t class that as dominant. Scotland have never beaten England or Argentina at the world cup though 😉

TJ has missed an England win too, it’s 2/1/0 in the last 3 years TJ 😉

As AA said it’s all fairly irrelevant anyway as current form is the best indicator. Lets face it, none of the home nations has a decent chance of winning the World Cup. The mean side of my nature really wants one of us to put the Kiwis out though.

Lol at A-A

England are of course favourites to beat Scotland. However to say it is very unlikely to go Scotland’s way is utter tosh.

England needed a forward pass to beat Scotland at Twickenham in the 6N. They were the better team but a full strength Scotland side playing in front of a massive support in NZ will be troubling MJ.

I absolutley would not bet against England but but would not put a big amount on them to win either

TJ – Unfortunately think you are wrong . Think the last 3 encounters have 2 England wins and one draw.

In many ways this debate is a mute point. NZ vs Oz on Sat morning showed the SH to be leagues ahead of the NH :-(. I hope these warm up games sharpen the NH teams up considerably.

A a is right, its like comparing Manchester utd and Liverpool, fairly equal titles count but Liverpool haven’t won it for donkeys years.

Haven’t Liverpool beaten Man U more often recently though?

Edit: Sorry about the fussball tangent 😕

😳 its 2 wins and a draw the last 3 years.

However the basic point still remains – all recent games between the three teams have been tight and there is no great gulf between them

England and France are the only NH teams with a hope of springing a suprise as they have the power to compete, scotchland do not.

TJ, that could be because the Scotchish only bother to play properly against your home team, England. 😉

However the basic point still remains – all recent games between the three teams have been tight and there is no great gulf between them

your deluded 🙄

onehundredthidiot – Member
I don’t understand how ireland don’t get penalised at the break down for being off their feet and not rolling away and having a loose forward on the wrong side of the ball. Almost every time.

You don’t seem to have received the Rugby Law Annexe 3.1.2.(Addendum relating to Irish Teams, inc Ireland, Munster, Leinster.) which relates that Irish teams (and Irish teams and Ritchie McCaw ONLY) and can do whatever they like at the breakdown, especially with regards to players flopping over the ball in the manner of a fat English prop from the 90s, or just generally being on the wrong side of the breakdown.

It’s quite a rare document which was only meant for the coaches of the relevant sides and referees.

You don’t seem to have received the Rugby Law Annexe 3.1.2.(Addendum relating to Irish Teams, inc Ireland, Munster, Leinster.) which relates that Irish teams (and Irish teams and Ritchie McCaw ONLY) and can do whatever they like at the breakdown, especially with regards to players flopping over the ball in the manner of a fat English prop from the 90s, or just generally being on the wrong side of the breakdown.

It’s quite a rare document which was only meant for the coaches of the relevant sides and referees.

However the basic point still remains – all recent games between the three teams have been tight and there is no great gulf between them

Again, the Tandem meister has hit the nail on the head and is correct. I’m not too sure though as to how one would quantify “a gulf” as it’s a bit of a wooly statement.
I’m off to the bookies to see what they say as, unlike the IRB who can manipulate statistic for their own end, they have a direct financial interest in the results.

I’m not worried about Argentina or England (get a grip with the black kit though). Its bloody Romania and especially Georgia that worry me. Does no one remember how good they were last time out?

Betting odds to win outright (and just taking the first ones I can see):

NZ 4/6
Oz 5
SA 9
England 12
France 21
Ireland 28
Wales 66
Argentina 125
Scotland 150

Argentina v England: 3/10 for Eng, 5/2 Arg, 25 for a draw.

Can’t see any odds for Sco v Arg yet.

Might be worth a pound or two on Wales (wishful thinking!) or a fiver on Oz or France. Or even England?

Worth a tenner on France at 21-1.

Worth a tenner on Scotland or Argentina as they’re up there with Engurland.

don simon – Member
Worth a tenner on Scotland or Argentina as they’re up there with Engurland.

For a one off win perhaps, but to win the RWC?

I agree that on their day, any of the home nations can beat any other. But then can they go on to beat SA, Oz, NZ? The only ones with a track record of doing that are England.

There is always an outside chance I guess, but iirc there hasn’t been a single RWC won by an outside chance (maybe except 95 which imo was a political thing).

For a one off win perhaps, but to win the RWC?

Assuming the odds are for a World Cup win, yes not much of a “gulf” between them according to the bookies, I’m with Tandem on this one.

I wouldn’t put a tenner on Scotland winning the WC. Perfectly capable of beating the bigger teams – but not several of them one after the other which they would need to do,

Those odds above look about right to me although I would say england are poor buy at that and if you want a long shot Ireland look really good value at 28/1

Think those odds for England are English bookies odds

Sure you would get a better deal in most other countries. Agree that they are more likely than the other home nations, just through sheer depth of numbers.

Really cannot see Scotland, Wales or Ireland beating all the big teams but no doubt capable of at least one big ‘upset’

Perfectly capable of beating the bigger teams

😀

Ireland have the players and given a big slice of luck could like england cause a one off upset, Wales given a huge amount of luck could beat a top team if they could get their first 15 all fit and firing as they have a number of match winning players in their team. Scotland just dont have the firepower imo. I’ll ask again how many tries have they scored in the last 3 years?

Taz – Member
Think those odds for England are English bookies odds

Paddy Power have England at 12, Ireland at 25, Wales at 80, Scotland at 175.

Unless I’m mistaken, Paddy power are Irish.

Anyway, since when has national bias been part of a bookies remit?

Pretty sure Scotland beat SA this year & OZ last year. Just gutted that AA has managed to change the rules so that only tries count towards winning

Agree Scotland’s try record is not great, but 3 tries in Paris this year (for example) shows they can get over the line.

Issue for me is Scotland do seem capable of line breaks but then somehow contrive to not convert that to tries

Idle Jon its not a bookies bias. It is risk management

They know they will get more money on England therefore the odds are reduced accordingly.

The fact Paddy Power is Irish is irrelevant. Odds for an English team in England is the risk they have to manage and balance between attracting punters vs the risk of actually having to pay out

This season:

Scotland 3 – 49 New Zeland (no tries)
Scotland 21 – 17 SA (great result but no tries)
Scotland 19 – 16 Samoa (one try well done lads)
France 34 – 21 Scotland (three tries a new dawn in scotland rugby)
Scotland 6 – 24 Wales (oh maybe not then)
Scotland 18 – 21 Ireland (no tries)
England 22 – 16 Scotland (a try whoop whoop)
Scotland 21 – 8 Italy (two tries in a mighty win against Italy)
Scotland 10 – 6 Ireland (one try against Ireland B)

So a great result against a knackered SA at home and a win against Italy, as compared to being hammered by wales at home and struggling to do anything against Ireland B makes them likely to spring a suprise against top Nations at the world cup, come on do you really believe it?

You don’t seem to have received the Rugby Law Annexe 3.1.2.(Addendum relating to Irish Teams, inc Ireland, Munster, Leinster.) which relates that Irish teams (and Irish teams and Ritchie McCaw ONLY) and can do whatever they like at the breakdown, especially with regards to players flopping over the ball in the manner of a fat English prop from the 90s, or just generally being on the wrong side of the breakdown.

Very funny. Utter bollocks of course, but still funny.

DD – another ref another day would have given plenty more penalties against them for ruck offences yesterday.

I want 5 officials for international rugby matches =- far too much gets missed. Offside in the backs, scrum offences where its dropped on the side away from the ref, blocking in the midfield, forward passes

Did anyone see the knock that was missed by Steve Walsh? Wilko got smashed and the ball went forward at least 15 yards and he missed it which led to the england scrum and try, was amazing.

Oh FFS, it’s a standard STW line these days TeeJ. “My team rucked like eejits today and were destroyed at the breakdown. Ergo, the other team was cheating.”

anagallis_arvensis – Member
Did anyone see the knock that was missed by Steve Walsh? Wilko got smashed and the ball went forward at least 15 yards and he missed it which led to the england scrum and try, was amazing.

Glad you brought that up! How was that NOT a knock on? Walsh had a very poor game yesterday, IMO, but that’s become the norm for him.

I want 5 officials for international rugby matches =- far too much gets missed. Offside in the backs, scrum offences where its dropped on the side away from the ref, blocking in the midfield, forward passes

What goes around, comes around.

I’m putting Ireland’s loss down to poor reffing by Barnes. He simply didn’t allow the green machine to get away with the amount of infringements at the breakdown that he normally does. Flecker. 🙂

Walsh was even shouting to Care to play on as Care was being very careful not to add to Stoddarts agony.
I didnt see much wrong with the Irish play, it was just Scotlands imcompetance when asked to score tries that stood out.

Don’t get me wrong Scotland were utter sh*te when a gap opened, and has been said already couldn’t score in a brothel. But come on DD let the green scales slide from your eyes Irish teams have perfected the break down infringement. Someone needs to read Trimble the script though.