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Should have won it well before needing that though.

I don’t think there was conclusive proof. They have to stay with the decision.

Should have been a try, but you can’t blame the ref for his initial decision.

It is on the ground, but you can’t see it on the ground.

An absolutely crap decision.

Scotland didn’t deserve to win, they were much too cautious in the 2nd half.

Got to be a try

As a neutral that’s the wrong decision. You could see the ball on the foot, then off the foot and down. tMO bottled it. What we want is the correct decision irrespective of stupid protocols.

Got to wonder what the point in having a tmo is.

Off the boot….can only go to the ground…try!

How do you know there isn’t a hand underneath it.

Or a catapiller?

But yes, one of the french players could have chopped off his hand and managed to get it under the ball which would explain why there was no arm attached to that hand so yes, you’re right.

They have to change the question asked.
Benefit of the doubt to the attacking team. Any reason not to award a try?

Well Scotland,that was a bastard of a way to lose…yet ultimately I don’t think we deserved to win.

That was a sore one to take!

I don’t think there was conclusive proof. They have to stay with the decision.

Agreed.

Those decisions are never given, happens to every team at some point.

Shame, Scotland played well again for large parts of the game.

Not sure I can face watching England v Wales, can’t see Wales coming close today.

But yes, one of the french players could have chopped off his hand and managed to get it under the ball which would explain why there was no arm attached to that hand so yes, you’re right.

When the ball rolls off the foot at no point can you see the top surface or the lower surface of the ball. You can’t see if there is something under the ball, you can’t see what part of the Scottish player is applying downward pressure, or indeed if there is actually downward pressure is being applied. In a civil court it would be guilty, in a criminal court not proven/guilty. They needed conclusive proof to overturn the ref’s decision = no try.

England looking sharp ☹️

Those decisions are never given, happens to every team at some point.

Yeah, but I’ve never seen a ref desperately trying to persuade a TMO to overturn his on field decision which is what Berry was trying to do.

Berry **** up, he should have been able to see the grounding and the fact he was telling the TMO that he thought it was a try tells us he knows he **** up.

It happens, refs are human.  But the point of a TMO is to stop individual human errors getting the major decisions wrong.

I think this ref has a Welsh grandmother….

Most of that half was like a training video of stupid stuff you really shouldn’t do.

Good try by Wakes in the end though

Well that was exciting!!

Any reason not to award a try?

The ref said it wasn’t.

Hard to win against this ref 🤷🏻‍♂️

I actually think Scotland gave France too much respect, rather than 15 minutes of kick tennis to protect a 6 point lead Scotland should have had a real go instead.

The game was there to be won.

Still a crappy final decision though, but they should have never been in that position.

Hard to win against this ref 🤷🏻‍♂️

Could try giving away less penalties,maybe?

The ref said it wasn’t

Yes I know that. I do think that in situations like that the question or assumption should be “Benefit of the doubt to the attacking team. Any reason not to award a try?”. Too often there’s never definitive evidence and if his question has been “any reason not to award?” It would have stood.

ffs this is tedious

Extremely tedious…zzzzz

Yes I know that. I do think that in situations like that the question or assumption should be “Benefit of the doubt to the attacking team. Any reason not to award a try?”. Too often there’s never definitive evidence and if his question has been “any reason not to award?” It would have stood.

I prefer it that we stick with the on field decision unless it’s obviously wrong.

Get in.

Yes!  But yet again, very close to losing…..

I’ll take it, but it wasn’t pretty.

I’d have given Reffel POM, with my tigers glasses on.

Grand slam still on…..

Great performance by that young Wales team, inexperience cost them the game but they will learn from that.

That was a sore one to take!

Yep, one of those that was clearly 95%  a try and then the refs on field guess decides it.

I’d have given Reffel POM

+1

TR player of the match by a mile

Biggar very good pundit too

I prefer it that we stick with the on field decision unless it’s obviously wrong.

Sure, but in this case we had Berry saying his own on field decision was wrong after seeing the video.

It was a failure of the system but it didn’t happen to England so nothing will change.

It was a failure of the system but it didn’t happen to England so nothing will change.

Vinegar?

Remember that Italy game?

And the NZ game a year later after England got so upset about that Italy game they had the rules changed?

They changed the Laws because to allow people to stand in that position would completely change the way rugby would be played & essentially make it the same as League.