Roits in Manchester?

That’s only going to end one way, and correctly so, they are liucky they didn’t get shot, IMO.

Okay you think they are lucky that they weren’t shot. Other people find the clip somewhat concerning, after doing the rounds on social media that particular clip.has been picked up by the mainstream media, including the Daily Mirror and Sky News.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fresh-footage-sheds-new-light-33325874

https://news.sky.com/video/what-do-we-know-about-the-manchester-airport-incident-13185171

According to Sky News the copper who uses the pepper spray is the same copper that later kicks the guy in the face and stamps on his head, although I don’t know how they can be sure of that

Okay you think they are lucky that they weren’t shot. Other people find the clip somewhat concerning

I actually don’t find it that concerning… people (as in members of the public) shouldn’t be allowed to act that agressivley in an airport, of all places.

Please don’t misunderstand me, I’m not suggesting the kicking in the head of someone prone is in any way justified, when other techniques available such as wrestling pin holds, etc. are available, but we can’t see the wider angle in those clips and if there was a danger of ‘the mob’ taking a gun from one of the officers…

..who were clearly split up trying to restrain various individuals, and unable to back each other up, so they must have all been in an extreme protection mode.

Remember this is in an airport! Not your typical friday night at whetherspoons. Some of the members of the public in the videos were expressing very intimidating body language, despite the fact they had tazers pointed at them by armed police…

I actually don’t find it that concerning… people (as in members of the public) shouldn’t be allowed to act that agressivley in an airport, of all places.

What in the clip being discussed did you find the most aggressive act?

The bit where a bunch of knob heads are fronting off/ starting some trouble,  against armed police in an airport.

Yeah, the way those two lads were aggressively holding their phones to aggressively record the police whilst they innocently punched an old woman in the face triggered me no end.
When retired senior police officers state that the police action was disproportionate I immediately think “iT’s WoKe GOrN MAD” too.

The bit where a bunch of knob heads are fronting off/ starting some trouble,  against armed police in an airport.

Please share that clip.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fresh-footage-sheds-new-light-33325874

Again no full clips but that’s interesting to see some men not complying with what the Police were asking. IMO even from that snippet of vid they deserved to be dealt with appropriately ie made to comply with force (that doesn’t include being kicked in the head)

People have very short memories, it’s not long back that airports were being targeted by people with bombs, even hospitals, and lack of compliance is quite rightly going to get these Police on high alert

It is frustrating that because the Police have to do these things right they have to not comment for now or go on the interweb wth other videos etc

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That second video isn’t good. I’m not seeing any aggressive behaviour from those lads. Just confusion and asking questions. Looks a bit tense but that’s par for the course when stress kicks in surely. Pepper spray seemed excessive. I’m still withholding judgment until everything is known though.

I would hope that ‘high alert’ actually involved some professionalism of some sort.  I can’t imagine ‘ high alert’ training involved that carnage. Do you really think that’s who you want dealing with high security situations.

I’m all for sitting on the fence but those clips show some horrendous policing regardless of what went on.

^this.

Stress testing is a key part of the conditioning  of individuals who are required to work in high risk/threat, dynamic, and fluid environments so they can remain controlled, measured and respond appropriately/lawfully.

People are fallible and some degree of error or mistake has to be expected, but there are limits to that.

It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that further down the pipeline there’s a degree of accountability that sits with others responsible for the screening & training of individuals as well.

As a case in point a senior officer was sacked about bullshitting his military CV, so as much as this fella has questions to answer about his actions, the system should also be scrutinised to ensure it’s selecting the right people and preparing and conditioning them to a level that is robust and practicable for the role they’re required to fulfil.

Again no full clips but that’s interesting to see some men not complying with what the Police were asking.

What were they asking?

IMO even from that snippet of vid they deserved to be dealt with appropriately ie made to comply with force (that doesn’t include being kicked in the head)

Pepper spray in the face?

People have very short memories, it’s not long back that airports were being targeted by people with bombs, even hospitals, and lack of compliance is quite rightly going to get these Police on high alert

What have they done wrong? Not sure that bringing bomb threats into the discussion is helpful – as far as I can see, they were filiming a tense situation. FWIW I believe that the policeman who pepper sprayed the man in the gray top is the same one who kicked the man on the floor.

it’s not long back that airports were being targeted by people with bombs

Airports are still potential targets for terrorists. There is no evidence that police officers in various clips thought they were dealing with terrorist related incidents.

There is no evidence that police officers in various clips thought they were dealing with terrorist

Really ? I saw a group of men not complying with what they were being asked to do. Then at some point Police were attacked. That’s pretty good evidence in itself

What were those men doing that in any way equates it with a terrorist incident?

You honestly believe that the police officers thought they might be dealing with terrorists?

In all the countless stuff I read about what happened in Manchester airport not once do I recall the word terrorist or the term terrorist threat being used

Edit:

Then at some point Police were attacked.

I am not saying it didn’t happen but I haven’t seen that clip, presumably you have – have you got a link? It would interesting to see how it happened.

I saw a group of men not complying with what they were being asked to do. Then at some point Police were attacked. That’s pretty good evidence in itself

You are Lee Anderson. Where do I claim my prize?

There appears to be a lot of people here who already happy to ignore that 3 armed police officers ended up being taken to hospital, one with a broken nose.  What do you want the police to do. Ask them nicely if they want tea a medals and a lift home. This all appears to have started because the kids of the lady they were collecting decided that they would deal with the person she was accusing rather than the police or airport staff.

There appears to be a lot of people here who already happy to ignore that 3 armed police officers ended up being taken to hospital, one with a broken nose.  

That’s a complete misrepresentation. For the umpteenth time, the altercation does not justify kicking a prone, motionless man in the head, nor pepper spraying an onlooker.

There appears to be a lot of people here who already happy to ignore that 3 armed police officers ended up being taken to hospital, one with a broken nose.

Nope.

This. As a civilian, you break my mates nose and I’m going to stuff you in a wheelie bin, and to **** with the law and consequences.

As a uniformed professional, there are rules that govern the use of force and that force has to be justified. As I said earlier if whilst in the process of trying to allegedly remove a firearm from an officer he’d been booted in the grid, I’d not be too concerned.

This was not that. This was an overreach from an individual trained and empowered by law to use violence of action in the lawful conduct of his duties. Dude lost his composure and escalated to a level that was disproportionate to the threat. Very doubtful further video will change that.

I’ve spoken to three friends now who are armed officers and all are deeply uncomfortable with the level of force used in that snippet.

For the umpteenth time, the altercation does not justify kicking a prone, motionless man in the head, nor pepper spraying an onlooker.

completely agree, but these were not nice gentlemen innocently passing their time at Manchester Airport . They attacked Police Officers

completely agree, but these were not nice gentlemen innocently passing their time at Manchester Airport . They attacked Police Officers

Again – not the guys in these videos. They’ve been released without charge.

Again – not the guys in these videos. They’ve been released without charge.

From the BBC.

Four men, aged 19, 25, 28 and 31, were arrested on suspicion of assault and affray and had since been bailed.

Four men, aged 19, 25, 28 and 31, were arrested on suspicion of assault and affray and had since been bailed.

Not the two brothers in the face kicking head stamping incident, they were released without charge.

So presumably there was little evidence that they had done anything wrong.

Again – not the guys in these videos. They’ve been released without charge.

Provide a source. Because I can’t find any reference. Specifically to the ‘without charge’ part.

And if it was without charge the police would have summarised that in their press release, the solicitor doesn’t mention ‘without charge’ he states once realised they had make their own way to hospital.

So I’d caution about spreading that unless you can confirm it.

There’s two elements at play here, a suspected assault of which the officers were called to, which was then compounded by alleged assaults on them and the associated affray. Then the context around that use of force in response to that incident.

They very well may be violent shitheads who decided to have a dustup at the airport and then smashed a police officer in the face.

That should be dealt with as is the law.

And any of the cops who overreached should also be held accountable. It’s not an either or situation.

Violent shitheads shouldn’t get a pass because a cop may also be one.

completely agree, but these were not nice gentlemen innocently passing their time at Manchester Airport

They probably started out that way. One issue that Manchester Airport has had for years is large family groups assisting a single airport passenger. For context, 160 FPNs were issued at the airport for associated breaches of COVID regs up to March ’21. British Transport Police issued 215 for the whole rail network between March’20 and Feb’22

This in no way excuses anyone’s conduct in 2024, but it hopefully adds another brush stroke to the picture

Like most airports there’s little trouble airside because people are identifiable and have been searched, the bars are open though 🙂

A journo on Twitter –

https://x.com/RespectIsVital/status/1816446649931014460

Reading it back, there IS ambiguity, I’m not sure now if he’s saying they WERE released without charge and GMP need to say that, or whether he’s asking GMP to say whether or not it’s without charge – not sure if GMP will be saying much of anything with an investigation into their own conduct ongoing. Would suspects arrested on suspicision of assaulting armed police normally be released? I haven’t seen the word bail mentioned anywhere.

I haven’t seen the word bail mentioned anywhere.

Assuming procedures haven’t been changed, they’ve possibly either been “released under investigation” (RUI) or told that there isn’t a case to answer

RUI and bail are different, people on bail can have conditions imposed on their “freedom”. RUI is a simple release while the investigation continues. RUI is contentious because it’s potentially without end, possibly something that Labour will address??

Finally, maybe, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) is investigating. There are (or were) three routes, so GMP is at the more serious end for this incident:

No involvement

Supervise the investigation, which is carried out in-force

Do the investigating independently

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/iopc-criminally-investigating-greater-manchester-police-officer-following-arrests-manchester

Thank you for the insight. Can’t be an easy time for the police right now! 🙁

I imagine not. I retired years ago I’m happy to say 🙂

The terrorist inferences are dog whistle racism again. Look – brown people fighting, must be terrorists! Being a dick is an equal opportunity thing, mostly men, mostly young.

RUI and bail are different, people on bail can have conditions imposed on their “freedom”. RUI is a simple release while the investigation continues. RUI is contentious because it’s potentially without end, possibly something that Labour will address??

RUI was brought in because people could be on bail (police bail) indefinitely but with conditions. RUI is needed because under the law at present you can’t be arrested, set free whilst the investigation continues and then be re-arrested for the same thing with no real change in evidence – that would be an abuse of process. There has to be some facility to allow arrest and release whilst the investigation continues as some times it can take months to get hold of evidence post-arrest.

The officer is facing a criminal investigation, which tells its own story, something that has always been a big no-no is kicking or stamping the head, especially in this scenario where he had just deployed his taser and the victim was under the effects of that at the time of the head kicking, i can’t see any reason for that kick and stamp, not even terrorist related, as he’d never have deployed a taser if that was the threat.

Still, i’ve only seen the two clips doing the round, nothing prior to the guy being prone on the floor, i’m not sure GMP are seeing it either as they’re initiating criminal charges!

they’re initiating criminal charges!

I don’t think they are, yet

where he had just deployed his taser and the victim was under the effects of that at the time of the head kicking,

Doesn’t being rigid during a tazering actually make the head kick much more potentially dangerous?

Still, i’ve only seen the two clips doing the round, nothing prior to the guy being prone on the floor, i’m not sure GMP are seeing it either as they’re initiating criminal charges

4 people  have been arrested and bailed on suspicion of assault and affray

The police officer has been suspend pending investigation. If anything the 4 on bail are closer to being charged than anyone

4 people have been arrested and bailed on suspicion of assault and affray

And a further two released without charge.

We keep hearing about 4 officers in hospital -GB news listed them as ‘serious’ though no other channel or report as claimed likewise.

Any altercation, for example officer scrapes knee arresting someone is sent to hospital, and we hear that a lot, only we also hear they’re released a couple of hours later, which is more akin to having something cleaned and dressed, because if it was serious they’d be kept in, and the police would quickly report that, which they havent. So from that we can possibly surmise was a routine HSE check over as per their regulations/union.

As to the broken nose. Will we find that to be the actual case or is it a bit of swelling, nowt broken, keep off the charlie for a few weeks.

If it is indeed the case, thankfully the police federation have a very generous compensation plan in place which is between £12,990 and £28220 for a broken nose, as it is classed as a severe injury.

If theres a moderate case of PTSD from it, we can add another £10,000-£30,000 on top of that. Moderately severe it starts at 30k and goes up to 70k.

Admittedly, as a white, middle class bloke my interactions with the Police have been peaceful and non-confrontational, but it always amazes me on Police related threads the level of hate and distrust.

Some of you must have had some pretty shitty experiences to be that jaded.

(And yes, looks to me that the copper in this case has probably broken the law and should be punished)

I’ve broken my nose a few times. Wish I could’ve received that sort of pay out each time plus compensation. Id be mortgage free!

Im genuinely interested in seeing the overall outcome of this. The stampy man is definitely out of order and the footage further up this page seems to show a guy being pepper sprayed and taken down for little reason. All difficult to parse without full context of the overall situation. Stamping on someone’s head is a shit thing to do regardless and should be thoroughly investigated. For all we know there could be a badly injured cop, made that way by the guy who got kicked in the head. Their colleague was angry/distraught and did something terrible in the heat of the moment. Or the cop is just a thug and kicked a tasered man in the head. All guess work based on a bit of footage.