Roits in Manchester?

These guys are well trained and wouldn’t have behaved like that if the threat wasn’t perceived to warrant it.

A well trained police officer shouldn’t be kicking anyone in the head like that and especially once they have been detained flat on the floor, what they did or said beforehand might have meant they deserved it but not from a serving police officer.

In terms of what was or wasn’t being said in Rochdale, does that matter in relation to the videos?

I feel for the police, its a tough job without doubt. However (and I accept it is only snippets), the videos do seem to evidence police brutality. To kick someone in the face, someone lying prone on the floor with steel toe caps on is all sorts of wrong. To then attempt to stamp on their head, is to me indicative of someone who had the red mist descend.
The behaviour of the policeman who pepper sprayed the young lad in the face and then takes him to the ground, also doesn’t appear to be the levels of professionalism that we would expect from highly trained police officers.

To try to use an equivalance of this happening in the US or Spain is also incorrect. This event happened occured within the UK.

A bit anecdotal and third hand at this stage, but a journslist on Twitter is claiming that the two in the video were not the perpetrators of the original conflict.

https://x.com/RespectIsVital/status/1816442785915965655

With the guy sprayed. There was no taking hold of an arm and issuing a ‘you’re under arrest’ and then asking to turn around, and cuffing him. It was straight to spraying him with an incapacitant from under a foot away, then grabbing him by the neck to force him to the ground

I was under the impression that things like pepper sprays were to be used only if the police were being attacked and as a last resort.

A bit like the taser. Originally and prior to introduction, the police said it was to be used in dire circumstances.

In the first year of its deployment it was used about 500 times, then in year 2 it was used over 2 thousand times, year 3 it was well over 4 thousand times. Anyone see a pattern developing there 😕

**** around in an airport putting three police in hospital and you are very lucky not to end the day in a morgue.

And what about if it’s ****-all to do with you and you get beaten up anyway?

Conspiracy theorists are already claiming these videos aren’t from Manchester Airport, they’re from the Strictly Ballroom training studios.

 “the vast majority of decent Brits would applaud this type of policing”,

Lee Anderson, Reform aka The Leopards Eating Peoples Face’s Party, speaking for a handful of morons that he things are a vast majority.

Is there any evidence of the police injuries or is this another “he jumped the barriers” smokescreen to deflect attention for as long as the news cycle demands?

We have to be careful this doesn’t lead to radicalisation. Getting kicked in the head by a steel toe-capped boot is known to be the best way of producing Reform voters.

Lee Anderson, Reform aka The Leopards Eating Peoples Face’s Party, speaking for a handful of morons that he things are a vast majority.

There’s a keen barometer as to how in touch with public opinion he is as demonstrated by the 42 million voters who selected any party other than his three weeks ago.

Conspiracy theorists are already claiming these videos aren’t from Manchester Airport, they’re from the Strictly Ballroom training studios.

I’d heard it was the Olympic horse dancing team on their way to Paris

Based on his temperament and physicality, that guy is a terrible choice for police at Manchester airport. By the way he puts the boot in, he’d be much more use as a baggage handler.

There was no taking hold of an arm and issuing a ‘you’re under arrest’ and then asking to turn around, and cuffing him

How do you know all that hadn’t already happened? Fact is they were still hanging around after probably being asked to vacate the area.

Call me old fashioned but if the Police asked me to do something I’d do it

I’m sure that and CCTV will clear it up  be lost

There were accounts last night that the police started trying to take phones from bystanders to prevent footage emerging. I was wondering when those videos would appear.

I don’t know where in the airport this took place, but taking phones from bystanders (not participants) because they might have filmed something?

Legal to do? Filming in a public place non-covertly is legal – although airports do have no photography signs in some places.

Practical for someone about to travel internationally? Most people under 40, that phone contains their boarding pass, is how they will be spending money abroad, its probably the only way they are going to successffully leave their destination airport. Hell, even if this was in arrivals, leaving the airport via public transport or uber or taxi will need your phone, and some cars these days will need it too.

If the bystander has committed no crime (or no suspicion thereof), how can police confiscate their phone? It would be less of an intrusion to put them in the cells for the night.

Had he been throwing punches/kicks to the head of the Police 30 seconds before, or trying to get their firearm? Personally I didnt see anything wrong with how they got him to the ground.

You don’t know what he was doing 30 seconds prior.

He’s got his hands behind his head and is getting to the floor…. Not easy to do without the use of your hands (given he has been told to keep them behind his head) and then gets booted in the stomach for it.

Jumped up cop who thinks he’s more Special Army Soldier than Police.

Have we all seen the sequel?

Seen a longer clip of that on Reddit and I referred to it in the OP. Seemed way over the top from the officers given the body language of the two guys who were cornered and being submissive.

@funkydunc I equally don’t know the order of events, but if I had seen a police officer punch an old lady in the face, or kick a man in the face when he’s on the floor – no I wouldn’t vacate the area. I would be filming like the person in the video was.

Attacking armed Police is mindbogglingly stupid – a suitably swift and painful response would be expected.

I`m pretty sure the Police officer will argue he was establishing control and order whilst being attacked by multiple people; and he did exactly that.

Nobody else was going to interfere with the Police after the officer stamped (and kicked ) his authority.

One thing the intraweb has shown me is that there are people who would pay good money to be tazed and kicked by a man woman in big boots.

“the vast majority of decent Brits would applaud this type of policing”,

**** off, would they.

Although I’m guessing that irc and grimep would approve.

I would be filming like the person in the video was.

And uploading it immediately for when my phone got seized as it had evidence on it.

Attacking armed Police is mindbogglingly stupid – a suitably swift and painful response would be expected.

As has been pointed out before, the video shows him lying prone and still on the floor.

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Conspiracy theorists are already claiming these videos aren’t from Manchester Airport, they’re from the Strictly Ballroom training studios.

I’d heard it was the Olympic horse dancing team on their way to Paris

If that’s the case then it was probably fair game.

Nobody else was going to interfere with the Police after the officer stamped (and kicked ) his authority.

He has apparently been suspended from all duties so the strategy hasn’t yet proved itself to be a great one.

I`m pretty sure the Police officer will argue he was establishing control and order whilst being attacked by multiple people

I’m pretty sure of that, too.  Question is whether it’s plausible and that’ll need to be established very carefully, preferably in a court – same as whether the (?family) group involved actually did what has been alleged

I fully accept that policing is tough and they need to get control of a situation, but that boot to the head while the guy was on the ground, hands behind his back and not attempting to get up while there are 4 police to two guys is quite incredible.  Especially as the situation wasn’t quite out of control enough to prevent someone else sneaking up behind to validate their parking.  I suspect that officer isn’t quite in control enough to be safe with the public

As someone who has a healthy degree of respect for the job cops do, especially armed officers (I have mates who’ve gone that route from the forces) this video makes me uncomfortable.

The cop appears to already have control of the individual on the ground, if he started to break that and fails to comply then the taser is a perfectly legal & authorised form of maintaining compliance & control.

I’m not sure striking the head is, I’m pretty sure any physical blows to the head of any kind are a no no for cops.

I acknowledge risk of being rendered weaponless which is what is claimed nearly happening earlier in the altercation, in that moment a strike to the head or other vulnerable point might be justified, even another armed offer engaging with lethal force. But that doesn’t appear to be the context in this moment.

Pains me to say this, but from what I’ve seen that fella crossed a line. But I remain open to being wrong.

Longer video of the sequel where police are taking phones from bystanders.

https://www.reddit.com/r/manchester/s/rCzRtX3NZQ

Especially as the situation wasn’t quite out of control enough to prevent someone else sneaking up behind to validate their parking.

Have you seen the price of parking when you’re picking up from Manchester Airport? I’d risk getting shot to get my ticket validated, rather than wait another ten minutes

How do you know all that hadn’t already happened? Fact is they were still hanging around after probably being asked to vacate the area.

Is using pepper spray on a guy standing there justified if you’ve asked him to turn round and he doesn’t?

Call me old fashioned but if the Police asked me to do something I’d do it

There’s really no evidence thus far to suggest the two men in the main video did anything else.

Mr Yakoob said the medical condition of the man who was kicked, who he named as Fahir Amaaz, had worsened overnight and “a CT scan has revealed there is a cyst on his brain”.

The solicitor also revealed the brothers are family members of a serving GMP officer.

Interesting info on the beeb

The solicitor also revealed the brothers are family members of a serving GMP officer.

Awks. Although for balance, he might **** hate his family member and the cops prior to this.

The solicitor also revealed the brothers are family members of a serving GMP officer.

That makes everything ok then, obvs outstanding members of society. Obviously beating up armed Police Officers was completely out of character for them

Cyst bit is weird too, aren’t they slow growing? Could it be that his behaviour was being influenced by this cyst affecting his brain?

Maybe that’s what made him lie face down on the floor?

With the help of a rifle butt

Mando up there pretty much sums up my take on this, I’ve zero time for the utter scum who assaulted armed officers in a security zone in an airport, deserve everything they get. But in terms of behaviour from the copper I do think he crossed the line, it really looked like a revenge kick, understandable but he’s a police officer and an armed one at that, they really can’t afford to lose their shit. He could have got away with almost anything up to and possibly shooting the guy as part of the take downbut kicking the prone guy in the head on the floor was never going to be acceptable.

It’s also enabled the protests in Manchester once again undermining the legitimacy of the police, for that the officer also needs to be held accountable.

Have we seen the video of the officers being assaulted and what leads to it?

I’m guessing that must exist?