Roits in Manchester?

Have to admit it was funny.

What isnt funny is the way this thread has been ‘reopened’ in light of whats happened in Southprt. Seems to be conflating the two when neither are related to one another.

Right, so let’s leave all the hot takes and opinions expressed as facts

And that includes baselessly accusing people of racism 🙂

Yes, brick-boy was hilarious but I was referring to the man in the picture posted by Ernie. Many people seem convinced he’s a wrong’un with no actual evidence to back it up but are also convinced the copper at the airport was out of order based on a very selective amount of evidence. The double standards being displayed in this thread are disturbing.

was referring to the man in the picture posted by Ernie. Many people seem convinced he’s a wrong’un

Who made that claim? I have no idea what he was being arrested for, or if he was even charged.

I posted the clip to highlight the heavy handed way that the Met sometimes carries out public order arrests. It looked like a huge pile on/scrum

I posted it for the entertainment value of seeing a Tommy Robinson supporter get arrested.

So that’s not assuming he’s a wrong’un? You just gained satisfaction from seeing someone with opposing views to you getting piled on? Nice.

based on a very selective amount of evidence

Just so Im clear. Was that the ‘selective’ evidence of a bloke lying prone on the floor and a police officer running up and booting him in the head before stamping on it ?

I wouldn’t want to think my interpretation of the multiple camera angles was wrong.

Seems to be two threads in one here: is this the airport parking meter one or brick in the goolies?

Just so Im clear. Was that the ‘selective’ evidence of a bloke lying prone on the floor and a police officer running up and booting him in the head before stamping on it ?

From the first video released by the ‘victims’ family/lawyer, where the angle and timing just show the officer just putting a boot in.

You then see the lead up to the incident and it changes the perspective completely, the ‘victims’ brother grabs the male officer and starts to move him away, not sure who throws the ‘first punch’, but the initiating event was the brother grabbing the officer.

You then see a melee, a female officer deploys the tazer, the male breaks free and then does the kick, why, i haven’t a clue, was it adrenaline, was it to keep the suspect down with removal of the tazer, that’ll be up to the investigation, i dare say body cameras and sound will assist with this one.

Again, look back to my early responses on just the first video, i was against the officers actions and didn’t think there could be justification, i was wrong, that second video, i just didn’t expect two brothers to go full offensive on armed police officers, in a major security area (international airport!), what the hell did they expect the outcome would be, home for tea with dear old mum after smashing two female and one male PC?!

So that’s not assuming he’s a wrong’un? You just gained satisfaction from seeing someone with opposing views to you getting piled on? Nice.

Well it is obviously not simply because EDL supporters have “opposing views”. Having opposing views is clearly not the problem.

However as well as having opposing views EDL supporters are infamous for their widely reported street violence. Yes I derive satisfaction from seeing EDL supporters getting arrested, why would I not? I don’t believe that they should go around causing damage and assaulting people, which is the whole point of their “protests“, with impunity.

The clip was to highlight the Met’s heavy-handedness when making arrests in public order situations, they don’t mess about. I can’t comment on the guilt of the individual though.

Always worries me when posters start saying things like “no one on here is going to say/do this that or the other” in their posts.

It always comes across as poorly disguised bullying – “agree with me or else!”

Not cool.

Seems to be two threads in one here: is this the airport parking meter one or brick in the goolies?

It’s the airport parking meter one. It got sidetracked because I posted a clip of the Met’s sometimes heavy-handedness when arresting people which they suspect of violence or public order offences, and someone took exception to that.

But I’ll wait until I see everything before jumping to conclusions.

I keep seeing Brucewee saying this and then cracking on jumping to conclusions about the incident itself, and posters on here.

I keep seeing Brucewee saying this and then cracking on jumping to conclusions about the incident itself, and posters on here.

Feel free to post where I’m doing this.

The main view I’m challenging is all the definitive statements where people state with absolute conviction that none of this has anything to do with racism.

We have no way of knowing that at this point and I find a group of white people aggressively trying to push this narrative is not a good look.

If I’ve made any definitive statements about anything I think happened then please quote them because I’m quite happy to admit that I, along with every other contributor on this thread, do not know the whole story about what happened.

Bruce you seem to be hell bent on pushing your own narrative of these events despite that narrative being at odds with most other people’s views of the same evidence. It’s beginning to feel like you’re trying to provoke a reaction.

The main view I’m challenging is all the definitive statements where people state with absolute conviction that none of this has anything to do with racism.

From the video, 3 police officers are being directed to one individual, who they try to arrest, i’m not sure where the racism is in this, i could understand if this was a random stop, or picking him out of a crowd, but this was 3 police officers, looking very much like they knew the person they needed to detain.

It’ll come out later i guess, the reason on why the police were trying to detain him, whatever was said whilst trying to arrest him and the aftermath, again, it could all change, but at this point, i see racist motives being quite a big stretch for how this all happened.

I’m very sorry for not going along with the collective judgement.

Just out of interest, if you go back and read what I’ve actually written, what narrative am I pushing?

Other than the fact we shouldn’t be writing a narrative yet because we have only seen a tiny part of the evidence.

It’ll all come out in the coming weeks, i guess it’s kind of fallen off the front page due to more horrible stuff happening.

As for racism, i’ve always seen that with police and every other authority over the years, there was institutional and individual types, never really grew up respecting the police due to some incidents i’d seen, but that was in the past for me, like every establishment these day, modernising and societal changes are making them be held to account more.

Bruce you seem to be hell bent on pushing your own narrative of these events despite that narrative being at odds with most other people’s views

“Despite”? How is that relevant?  Only post something if you know everyone else agrees with it?

Some of what Bruce has said I don’t necessarily agree with but imo his ‘wait and see before jumping to conclusions’ is one of the most sensible comment on this thread.

Especially as this particular case has emphasised just how wrong it can be to jump to conclusions

Other than the fact we shouldn’t be writing a narrative yet because we have only seen a tiny part of the evidence.

Yet you seem pretty sure that narrative should include racism. And strongly disagree with anyone saying that they can’t see it from the “tiny part of the evidence” we have seen.

Can you see why that might look like you are being a bit contrary?

i see racist motives being quite a big stretch for how this all happened.

That’s a totally valid point and one I’m not contradicting. The points I am challenging are the ones where people state that racism has nothing to do with anything. No one can possibly know that yet.

I outlined a couple of pages back why I found the actions of the male officer reckless. It seems strange to me that a trained firearms officer would act so recklessly. I asked mildred if they found anything strange about it and never got a reply.

Why dive straight into the middle of a group where the officers could have no idea which people were within the same group and who was just there. As it happened only one person jumped in to intervene but it could easily have been half a dozen. Then you’ve got three armed officers in the middle of a crowd jostling with all the potential for the shit to really hit the fan.

It seems incredibly reckless and makes no sense to me unless the officer was just really angry and desperate to nail an Asian who had just beat up a nice middle class white guy (allegedly, absolutely not saying I think that is the reason, just one of many possibilities).

There is too much that doesn’t make sense for me to simply accept the narrative everyone else seems so keen on.

Sorry, but I’m not judging anything until someone can explain to me the logic behind this attempted arrest (and I very much doubt anyone on this thread is going to be able to explain it which is why I’m suggesting patience and wait for the investigation) because if this is the way armed officers always try to arrest individuals in a group where they don’t know who is who then I can’t help but think people would be getting shot every week.

Yet you seem pretty sure that narrative should include racism. And strongly disagree with anyone saying that they can’t see it from the “tiny part of the evidence” we have seen.

Just to be 100%clear, it’s entirely possible racism had nothing to do with it.  However, at this point, it’s too early to completely rule the possibility out.

And a bunch of white people ruling it out anyway is not a good look.

And a bunch of white people ruling it out anyway is not a good look.

Yes, having your opinion dismissed due to the colour of your skin isn’t great.

Deleted. I’m done.

Just to be 100%clear, it’s entirely possible racism had nothing to do with it.

In which case maybe not bring racism into it in the first place, otherwise you’re no better than the idiots who kicked off in Southport.

otherwise you’re no better than the idiots who kicked off in Southport.

What a ridiculous comment.

Deleted. I’m done.

Been there on this thread. You have my best wishes.

Meanwhile there’s riots in Sunderland tonight. I feel sorry for the innocents who area is getting wrecked but most of all my former colleagues who will have to deal with this and I’m thankful I’m out of that.

50 years ago in the north of Ireland they used rubber bullets and occasionally live rounds to calm riots.

50 years ago in the north of Ireland they used rubber bullets D-cell batteries and occasionally live rounds to calm riots.

Ftfy.

Appreciated thanks.

Has anyone seen the CCTV footage yet?

The CCTV footage that was posted back on page 8?

What a shit day.

Unbelievable scenes in videos of things that happened today.

It is indeed a shit day, and the scenes across the UK are very depressing.

But don’t forget that it is a minority causing these “scenes”.  The majority of the population are nice people.

The folk who are rebelling (against what???) look so unbelievably thick, dumb, stupid, irrelevant & trivial it’s laughable. They will all go away if we ignore this crap.

Can we not start the football early?, it’d give these dumb **** **** something to do

They will all go away if we ignore this crap.

It won’t. They have their own TV channel pumping shit into their brains, lots of Russian/Chinese money flowing into social media, right wing Murdoch press, and a Russian funded Trump apprentice in parliament.

What a shit day.

But only because you’re watching the news and they’re showing you the awful things. I was in central London yesterday at the NPG and honestly I couldn’t hear the demo that was going on just a couple of streets away attended by tens of thousands. You’d not have known it was happening.

Mostly this is a few thousand idiots, the vest majority there because 1. they’ve nothing better to do, and 2. they want the chance to watch it all kick off. They’re not (unlike London) protesting about anything, they don’t have a grievance, they just want a barney.

If you think, only a few thousand people share these,views your sadly deluded.

The amount of people involved in these far-right riots is by all accounts very small. Typically 100-200 I believe, although often considerably less apparently

Unfortunately as monkey points out those on the streets are the tip of the iceberg, there are a worrying number of people in this country who hold intolerant and racist views, including many in immigrant communities. We are now a much more divided country than we have been for a long time.

The shame of it is we’re pretty much the least racist society in the world.