Reopening schools question.

at what KS of English do kids start to learn to pressé?

I’m going to guess none. No key stage of English would teach this French adjective (was precis the word?)

Sorry. Anyway, taking in some of this stuff about bubbles in class, no face coverings to avoid scaring the parents etc, teachers you have my considerable admiration and sympathy.

My other half has two days of parents ‘evenings’ this week… meeting all parents that want to attend, no face coverings (for staff) allowed. Why, given the unusual situation we’re all in, phone calls won’t suffice for now, I don’t know. Weird what we expect from teachers.

My other half has two days of parents ‘evenings’ this week

Bizare, I’d tell the school to jog on if this was proposed.

Having parents evenings right now is a very weird move! If there’s no masks allowed, I’d want a plastic screen between me and the parents. Is there a union H&S rep in the school?

So.. if a child becomes unwell in school, anyone know what their school’s procedure is?
Do they send the whole class home to clean as a precaution or just wait until their is a positive test?

Having parents evenings right now is a very weird move! If there’s no masks allowed, I’d want a plastic screen between me and the parents. Is there a union H&S rep in the school?

Was this not from the same person who was saying that teachers had been told not to social distance in their school or was that someone else? Sounds odd.

edit, yes it was, here’s the other post:

No social distancing allowed at the school I know most about, between kids or staff. And I mean not allowed… even giving other staff a wide birth in the corridors frowned upon. Oh, and parents evening (but in the day) for all classes next week… so all parents invited on site. This is what you get when guidance from government is hopeless.

If that’s correct it’s totally bizarre and I would expect the union to be right on it.

Sounds odd.

Same school. All very odd. The head wants to ‘combat the fear of the virus’ for staff by forcing them together (including getting them to hold hands, yes, really). And he’s wanting to make a show to the community around the school that things are safe, hence the parents “evening” in the day time. You can see his thinking… but seems far too soon to me.

That’s astounding, obviously there’s more going on but taken at face value I’d be raising some sort of formal complaint about that if I worked there.

Some staff just left, rather than fight against that “get stuck in” anti social-distancing mentality. My other half had all her meetings outside, which doesn’t seem so bad… still far from essential though… she’s been ringing up all parents and kids every week any way. The head might have been right though… taking what the government were saying at face value… that is all kids back on premises before the summer break, without using extra staff or non-school rooms… that just wasn’t possible with social-distancing really… of course, now they’ve pulled back from that… it all looks even more reckless. Oh well. Cross fingers and carry on…

Meanwhile… local news:

https://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/politics/council/halifax-school-shuts-after-confirmed-cases-coronavirus-2894415

The pictures from the school of the poor chap who was stabbed in reading were worrying re social distancing.
I’m not sure most folk would stand that close at the best of times.

My son did his first day in school as mum and I had to work, one of the little darlings in his bubble was spitting at people!! Year 4 so old enough to know better. Luckily he didnt spit at my boy.

AA scrotes gonna scrotes, hope it was at least suspended, spitting at people is bad at the best of times but should be zero tolerance of that at the moment. As you a nine year old should know better without being told.

We had that the week before the schools closed… and targeted at my Son (yr9) and others because they were more at risk. Not nice.

We had two yr9s caught yesterday stuffing paper in the sinks and flooding the staff toilets.

As above ^ scrotes will be scrotes.

They’ve been told not to come back for the rest of the term. Which in one case is a shitter, as mum is a nurse.

Must be a younger kids thing. Our Y10s have been super calm. Weirdly so. Tough to even get them to talk to us (and I’m their Head of Year). Not a hint of and behaviour concerns, C19 related or otherwise.

Opening up a new bubble in a week with a couple more ‘interesting’ characters coming in though, so this may all change.

Our Y10s have been super calm.

Same, the yr10s I’ve seen from afar (I’m with vulnerable and key worker kids) have all been really chilled and well behaved.

Think about 60-65% have signed up to come in for core subject lessons in bubbles I over the next few weeks.

That does mean that 35% (including most if the more challenging kids) are staying at home though!

Must be a younger kids thing. Our Y10s have been super calm. Weirdly so.

Same here, but with only 6 in a class and half the year group not wanting to come in how bad can it be!!

So… despite not knowing what the situation will be in September, fines for non-attendance are to start day one… does that leave schools and local authorities free to ramp up on site attendance as they see fit, or does it really have to be all kids on site day one of term in September, no matter what? Obviously a headline grabbing policy, rather than a teaching one, but what’s the effect of it?

I know some people are much more closely involved in this than me, but just take a step back and and think it through.

They seem to saying all pupils should be attending school in September. I’ve not seen anything to say “on the same day”. Our kids schools are planning a mix of on site and remote learning in September and I don’t see that being changed by the announcement.

If medical advice still says Pupil A should be shielding, they shouldn’t be fined. If we’re back in a second wave lockdown, the whole thing will be canned.

The aim seems to be to get all pupils attending some school sessions in September, and taking away the Covid excuse for all those families who barely bother normally.

I totally get how everyone assumes the worst of any government change given their appalling handling of this, but immediately jumping to the extreme end of interpretation just raises blood pressure for no benefit.

That was exactly my question, the current plans schools and local authorities are working with, to stagger onsite attendance, are they overruled by the announcement?

“Every child back five days a week” is the promise this ‘return of fines’ announcement has come with.

Gavin Williamson was asked this morning on BBC Breakfast if all children would return in September, five days a week “as it was before” to which his reply was a curt “yes” (Iplayer 29 June 2h41m12s).

So is uppose all social distancing rules are being scrapped for kids then?

So is uppose all social distancing rules are being scrapped for kids then?

The plan in Scotland is for a full return on or around August 11th. So no social distancing in schools unless there is a resurgence in cases.

The talk is class sizes of 30 in England… but no formal announcement that social distancing or bubbles are being dropped. No one knows what’s going on really, do they.

My understanding was that the bubbles would be extended to 30 and no social distancing within the bubble. But some classes are larger than 30 and I have no idea how this could work in secondary with options.

No one knows what’s going on really, do they.

Well I for one certainly havent a **** clue!!

The talk is class sizes of 30 in England… but no formal announcement that social distancing or bubbles are being dropped. No one knows what’s going on really, do they

I think things are a little easier to judge in Scotland because the number of new cases is so much lower than in England. Assuming it stays that way I’ll be quite happy going back to full classes in August. The picture is much less clear in England I think with the current level of cases but of course September is still some time away.

13th July is the key date in Scotland. It seems the decision will be made then.
Today I got an email from local authority that basically says everyone back full time is plan A blended learning is plan B.
They’ll let staff know after that date.

The only way I can see bubbles working in Secondary is if the schools stream for core subjects, then maintain those streams for all subjects. That would lead to very small/weird classes for options subjects – around half sized for history/geography, and then tiny for other subjects? Or, the kids do work set by their options teachers while supervised within their bubble by other staff?

As a sixth form college we have far too many variables in our timetabling to have anything like that work, so no idea how we’d do it.

I’d not be seen the subsequent interviews, I retract my earlier post, they are **** insane.

So if a head, based on government guidelines, decides his school cannot function safely with full classes 5 days a week, where does legal liability lay?

I’m assuming that attendance is going to be hugely variable next year, so am planning teaching based around some/all students (and/or me) being in and out at various times and in various arrangements!

Hoping that I can arrange things so that everything is in a predictable order/timing, with both online and real world content/sessions.

Daughters first day back in ‘proper’ school in Wales today (she’s been in a Childcare hub for a few weeks). They’ve gone for full social distancing, 4 kids per class, 2m at all time and separate desks.

She looked nervous, we happened to be Class 1, Day 1 so it was a bit tense and the kids picked up on it.

I’m picking her up in a bit, I’m nervous how it went, I’m expecting she won’t have liked it, I might put her in Chilcare hub full time, she loves that. Small bubbles but no SD, I think it’s a bit much for a 6 year old.

My daughter’s school has just informed her that she needs to meet and greet every child she teaches and the family of child in the last 2 weeks of term.
This seems to me a little bit unnecessary given that we should be trying to avoid large amounts of people in one area at the same/similar time?

Also, she has from Thursday-Monday to prepare reports for every child see teaches, just 200 of them.

My daughter’s school has just informed her that she needs to meet and greet every child she teaches and the family of child in the last 2 weeks of term.

My other half did that last week. And the report writing… for herself and for another teacher that left because of the lack of social distancing being employed. Neither of them teach any kids due in a classroom before September, but it was deemed essential to meet with them and their families in person asap. It was felt that the weekly phone calls to homes weren’t enough, and physical face to face meetings essential… and while I can see that really is the case for some kids… targeting rather than “meet everyone” would seem a more reasoned response considering the current risk levels (which in this area is still pretty high… a school being closed with lots of teachers becoming infected in Halifax, and surrounding areas now with rising number of cases in the community… Bradford, Rochdale, Burnley etc).

If medical advice still says Pupil A should be shielding, they shouldn’t be fined. If we’re back in a second wave lockdown, the whole thing will be canned.

They’re stopping shielding in August.

Also, she has from Thursday-Monday to prepare reports for every child see teaches, just 200 of them.

Thats what cut and paste and find and replace were invented for!

a_a that’s what working time agreements were designed for and that’s not acceptable.

Or, “I’ve not really seen Jeanny for the past few weeks so don’t feel in a position to comment on progress.”

No one knows what’s going on really, do they.

Judging by the call I heard today no and very much still covering all bases as much as possible here in Scotland

a_a that’s what working time agreements were designed for and that’s not acceptable.

Doesnt exist in schools