Rain – is there going to be a silver lining?

Just to remind you there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

There is also wilful ignorance…

From the report delivered to the 48th session of the IPCC. This seems to be the generally accepted 1.5C and 2C rise definitions.

Reference 1 will take you to the report definitions and framing are on page 56. It’s a huge report with the work of many professional climate scientists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Report_on_Global_Warming_of_1.5_%C2%B0C#CITEREFSR15_Report

Come onehundredthidiot can you not find some local rag to back up your claim. Don’t bring scientific measurement and analysis into it.

I’m going to join in with the expert analysis of climate change and weather patterns with actual anecdotal evidence from my childhood, of unbroken blue skies, lashings of ginger ale and cucumber sandwiches at Kirrin Cove every day during the summer hols, and the winter when I can’t remember whether it snowed for six days and six nights when I was twelve, or twelve days and twelve nights when I was six. Ah, great times.

There is also wilful ignorance

Indeed. But being spoonfed ideas and believing that has cured your ignorance isn’t very clever either. So just what was the “global average temperature” in 1700?

*bit of a trick question as the phrase global average temperature is pretty well meaningless

Times like this I already miss the animated emojis

It seems to me we are getting “more pessimistic” forecasts than we used to. I’ve been out several times in the past few weeks when the weather man has forecast a high chance of rain and there’s been none. Same today.

my chillies and tomatoes are crying out for sunshine. So we decided to go somewhere where we can get a bit of guaranteed sunshine for 10 nights rather than holidaying at home and potentially dodging even more cool and wet weather

How you going to get the chillies and tomatoes through customs?

Good for wine growing.

Mate in Alba, Piemont lives atop a hill surrounded by vines (like every bit of spare land in the area. He says the northern slopes are now preferred as on the southern slopes the grapes are drying out whilst still in the vines.

It seems to me we are getting “more pessimistic” forecasts than we used to. I’ve been out several times in the past few weeks when the weather man has forecast a high chance of rain and there’s been none. Same today.

Somebody will be along in a moment to tell you that a) you aren’t interpreting the forecast correctly  b) you should be using an obscure weather app, mainly used for pearl fishing in the Andaman Sea but is 100% accurate for Truro  c) it’s only a forecast and what do you expect? Accuracy?   😀

But yes, I’m looking outside at quite a nice day, which is very much not the forecast I saw less than 20 hours ago, which is why I didn’t ride to work today.

These people who are hopping onto budget flights because the British weather is rubbish, then finding the summer resort they’ve flown to is too hot, are part of the problem.

In our area it’s been cool (for July) and it’s rained an awful lot. But, tomorrow looks to be warm and dry. Our whirlygig will be bending with the weight of washing.

Silver lining? All the €¢¥#wits have gone abroad leaving the trails blocked only by nettles and brambles. Admittedly a pessimistic cynic’s silver lining but…

These people who are hopping onto budget flights because the British weather is rubbish, then finding the summer resort they’ve flown to is too hot, are part of the problem.

Ahh well, sorry for having a family holiday. I won’t find the weather too hot mind you, I’ll be in the pool, drinking refreshing cold beer and eating lots of lovely ice creams.

These people who are hopping onto budget flights because the British weather is rubbish, because they’ve been working hard all year and deserve it, then finding the summer resort they’ve flown to is too hot, are part of the problem.

Ahh well, sorry for having a family holiday. I won’t find the weather too hot mind you, I’ll be in the pool, drinking refreshing cold beer and eating lots of lovely ice creams.

You’d think that folk with kids would be a bit more concerned about the environmental legacy we’re leaving them, but it would appear otherwise.

@johndoh and @alpin I’m writing about people who hop onto flights willynilly about 4,5 or 6 times a year. Not about hardworking families, who definitely deserve an annual holiday.

We’ve just spent a week on a walking and cycling holiday in the Cotswolds . The weather was 14o most days, wet and windy, the odd time the sun made an appearance it felt like a mild spring day.

People may think this weather doesn’t matter, but it does. Our fruit, veg and salad is either waterlogged and going mouldy, not growing or producing a tiny yield. Not good when we’re being encouraged to buy British and not buying food out of season.

You’d think that folk with kids would be a bit more concerned about the environmental legacy we’re leaving them, but it would appear otherwise.

Yup – and, to be fair, I am not apologising for it. My kids work very hard at school and deserve a break just as much as we do as hard-working parents and, with the weather being as it is, we aren’t prepared to spend the same (or more) for a holiday in the UK. I do what I can for the environment but it stops short of denying ourselves one holiday abroad each year (we weren’t going to this year, but decided to because of the weather). I appreciate that not everyone shares the same opinion and that’s fine by me as we all choose what we do – I do much more than some people but, admittedly, much less than others.

Indeed. But being spoonfed ideas and believing that has cured your ignorance isn’t very clever either. So just what was the “global average temperature” in 1700?

*bit of a trick question as the phrase global average temperature is pretty well meaningless

Thanks for the education. I’ll feed back to the folk I work with everyday while trying to protect people and things on our coastlines and catchments from the issues that are definitely made up…

I’ll also rewrite my dissertation on coastal erosion tracking…

I’m writing about people who hop onto flights willynilly about 4,5 or 6 times a year. Not about hardworking families, who definitely deserve an annual holiday.

@bunnyhop…. I’m lumping them all in the same bag.  They’re all part of the problem, as was a few years back. Used to fly five or six times return each year for work.

Then decided not to take on such jobs for my own and the environment’s wellbeing.

Not flown now since 2019 other than one exception in 2021 for a job.

Hate flying. Rather take the train.

I’m lumping them all in the same bag.  They’re all part of the problem, as was a few years back. Used to fly five or six times return each year for work.

Then decided not to take on such jobs for my own and the environment’s wellbeing.

So now you are an Evangelist about this, and despite flying in the past more than most people would, you think it’s okay to now preach to others because you’ve decided to change your view.

Nah, mate, it doesn’t work like that.

Sun’s out!

It is! Dog walked and I didn’t need to put a jacket on, the washing is out, I have checked on my chillies and tomatoes (still very little sign of life), rabbits in the run. I might even open a window soon.

@johndoh, commiserations for your toms and chillis, mine are going nowhere this year, first time ever

Well this has got quite unpleasant.

Hope the sun stays out, for everyone’s sake.

Thanks for the education. I’ll feed back to the folk I work with everyday…

Mmm hmmm. Ok. What’s coastal erosion got to do with anything? Thought this was about rain? Which inevitably turned into muh climate change.

Still waiting for someone to tell me what the average global temperature was in 1700. – you can Google the “answer”, Google is very much knobbled to provide approved “information”

Still waiting for someone to tell me what the average global temperature was in 1700.

I imagine this will be some bollocks about the Little Ice Age though won’t it? As if it has some impact or some gotcha about ‘natural’ heat/cold cycles.

Ok, I’ll help …. The average global temperature in 1700 was…..

Nobody knows!

@grimep – Unless records were kept back then, it’ll be a best guesstimate, so no real point in asking as it is unlikely to be based on cold hard facts. However, if it helps you sleep, I’m going to go with a global average temperature of 18c – just to fuel the guesstimations. Pre industrialisation so there were far less pollutants kicking around…however, that will very quickly be straying into man-made climate influences…

Rained overnight on Monday and stopped about 3pm yesterday in the Stirling area. Remained dry and hot (19c) into the evening. Trails were still grippy but did have a wee bit of moisture in places.

Bright and warm but cloudy here today. I’m still not complaining about the weather as so far, the rain has happened when I’ve been stuck indoors (sleeping or working), so I’ve been lucky enough not to get absolutely soaked.

Nobody knows!

Well, that’s not true is it, becasue things like ice cores and tree rings and evidence from journals,  measurements taken at the time, sea charts, harvests, volcanoes, wine production and on and on and on,  and even art show a decline in the global temperature.

Ohh looks like a few warm days on the horizon, just in time for me to go camping. Yay.

Nah, mate, it doesn’t work like that.

I know… I’m just being obtuse.

What’s coastal erosion got to do with anything? Thought this was about rain? Which inevitably turned into muh climate change.

If we are talking rain why have you got such a chubby for the temperature in 1700?

Nah, mate, it doesn’t work like that

It does work like that though. When we realise that our behaviour has negative consequences, we make a conscious effort to change our behaviour for the better. It might appear hypocritical, but really that doesn’t matter if we are improving. That’s how society progresses.

Why are you engaging? It’s pointless.