[Closed] PSA: Coppers at 9/C4

Followed by the truly abysmal Party Paramedics, who aren't actually Paramedics 🙄

Party Paramedics last week was good as a programe, but didnt feature any Real Paramedics, just a load of free volunteers doing a good job, in a an ex colchester transport, Leylalnd Lynx bus.

The good thing was it stopped the hospitals and ambulances being tied up with sonme minor cases of assault and cuts.

When I used to race motorcycles [many years ago] do you know what the scariest sight was?

No, not seeing the front go as you exited Clearways at Brands, it was the sight of the bespectacled youth in the - slightly too large - St John's Ambulance uniform running towards you after the crash

do you know what the scariest sight was............St John's Ambulance uniform running towards you

Wasn't there a fella on here (a copper) who recommended watching episode four ? Well tonight is that episode 🙂

I'll nudge him

Nadia. Thoughts?

Hora, not bad!!!

Ha ha, that'll be me!

Sorry but it appears that channel 4 have re-arranged the order of episodes; possibly because of the complaints that have been made by those nice kind do-gooders who have been offended on behalf of the great unwashed of Nottingham.

I kid you not, some of the officers who have featured on Coppers have now been served notices that they are being investigated for their behaviour. This is despite the nod of approval from our galant leaders. An example is the chap who thinks my colleague should be sacked for his robust handling of a criminal. I might add that the offence he vicariously took is from the comfort of his armchair in rural Wiltshire, where the needs and problems of the local population are clearly just the same as those of central Nottingham.

Actually, whilst typing this, it looks like my lot are next week. Great, I'll be looking for a job soon.

would you join the force?

When the chap pissed in the van I thought there would be worse ...poo painting on perspex...

Jeez Mildred. Hopefully the Officer investigated won't be judged on edited footage but in context of the whole situation???

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would you join the force?

Yes, currently giving serious consideration to joining the Met as a special.

I kid you not, some of the officers who have featured on Coppers have now been served notices that they are being investigated for their behaviour. This is despite the nod of approval from our galant leaders.

WTF are you on V8 ninety?

I have worked alongside the police and if you care to actually look at my postings on the police I have a great deal of respect for what they do. Many of my family have been serving officers, I have serving officers amongst my friends. I will criticise them when its merited - I am no blind follower but unlike many on here I have some idea of what the job entails

attack me for what I say by all means - but don't make stuff up to suit your agenda.

it was interesting to note that the coppers on this week's episode made mention of the value of 'discretion' within Policing; we all know of incidents whereby a law has been broken etc. yet the Police have given those responsible 'words of advice' and sent them on their merry way. Student frivolities spring to mind. However, in a climate of blame and claim it appears that if a cop gets hands on with someone, in encouragement for them to move away (i.e. piss off or you're gonna get nicked), said person is now in their rights to claim for damages for assault. Now, civil claims are dealt with at county court where the burden of evidence is much lower - that is, on the balance of probabilities not beyond a reasonable doubt, meaning the courts have historically found against the Police. After all, on the balance of probabilities, if the loveable rogue had really been such a drunken ****, the officer would've arrested him, no?

Jeez Mildred. Hopefully the Officer investigated won't be judged on edited footage but in context of the whole situation???

Hardly likely; another colleague of mine was this year dismissed for the use of excessive force whereby he got hands on with a drunk, whilst he was enroute to deliver a death message to family of a person just killed in a car accident. The man then popped up with nasty injuries claiming the nice Police Officer who didn't arrest him did it. Without any evidence to support this whatsoever, mind. The CPS refused charged due to lack of evidence but the Police in a typical knee jerk witch hunt stylee, decide to sack him anyway. It mattered not that this officer was the recipient of multiple commendations and the complainant is a drunken criminal... Let's sack the cop!!!!

Sorry about the rant, I'll get me coat...

Chill your boots TJ. Sorry. Wasn't meant as an attack on you as such, just it was you that popped into my head when thinking of people who live in an ideal world of black and white, right or wrong, instead of this crappy real world of shades of grey that we live in. You demonstrated the tendency perfectly in the recent homophobia thread which I recently read, which is probably why you popped up in my mind.

That thread doesn't translate to this one though, so once again I'm sorry. Please consider 'TJ types of people' replaced for 'Guardian reading lefty liberals'.

🙂 Ok

I can't decide whether to be insulted or proud now 🙂

He must have had previous concerns on his record/file? Surely??

Unless his Senior Officer was abit of a Political animal or snake/worried about how they'd look if they had a few under their management pop up?

I've no idea how it works but in Civvie' st there are people whose management style is about ruthless/ambition or eager to please etc

When the chap pissed in the van I thought there would be worse

I'm sure the copper earlier said, "he's done a shite in the van"?

To be honest, on the Nottingham episode of Coppers, there were two incidents that looked pretty out of order from the sofa.

The bloke who was shoving the alcy up the street up by Marks and Sparks and whoever it was threw the woman from the alcy family to the floor. I reckon they should have nicked the alcy before it got to pushing and shoving him.

The woman who was chucked on the floor didn't appear to be doing anything. She might have been, but she didn't look like it on telly.

The woman who was chucked on the floor didn't appear to be doing anything. She might have been, but she didn't look like it on telly.

Tron yep that episode showed some very poor policing the tramp bullying was bad as was some of the response to the chav birthday party. I was in court with some very good coppers the next day who were really annoyed at the incident with the tramp.

Unfortunately people's views about the police tend to polarise into blind faith or instant mistrust .

I Must say I do find it hard to belive that a respected officer backed by the police federation could be dismised from a force just on the word of an aggrieved drunk.

tron I thought that at the time as well. The woman thrown onto the floor was unfortunate but the Police were struggling to regain control of a large group. She went down/fell wrong so it looked worse on the Officers first action.

Show them in a good or bad light? I love these Producers, by some of the negative footage it just shows how difficult and sometimes shitty their job is.

Show them in a good or bad light? I love these Producers, by some of the negative footage it just shows how difficult and sometimes shitty their job is.

Quite a few times in 24hours in A&E this Nurse said some really strong, robust and enlightening things. At first I recoiled alittle thinking 'should she be saying that'? Then I thought thank you.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/24-hours-in-ae/articles/video-interviews-staff-of-the-ae

[i] As public servants I'm not too sure that it's a good idea for them to publically aire their opinions about us, the public[/i]

Maybe [i]you[/i]... But I don't feature in those programmes and I don't care what they think about the scum that do. You know, the scum that they have to deal with day in day out to protect the rest of society.

When I used to race motorcycles [many years ago] do you know what the scariest sight was?

No, not seeing the front go as you exited Clearways at Brands, it was the sight of the bespectacled youth in the - slightly too large - St John's Ambulance uniform running towards you after the crash

It's incedents like this that make me question whether these programmes are designed to show plod in a positive or negative light.

god forbid a programme that appears objective 😕

I feel last nights episode was toned down (Editted?) either that or rookies get comparably easy areas ...in Scotland? I wonder if they'll be an edit for next weeks episode or will it be abit strong? I hope the latter.

When the Rookies went into the house to find the deceased it made me think of the officers who went into my Fathers house and the smell that must have greeted them.

I think the public need to see what a difficult job they do for us.

would you join the force?

Just found out yesterday i've passed the assesment day, medical & vetting aside i'll start training in the next few months.

Special Constable by night, Undertaker by day. The streets of Manchester will be a safer place.... maybe.

[i]I think the public need to see what a difficult job they do for us.[/i]

Taking a look up a junkie's arse? I'm out, right there.

Taking a look up a junkie's arse? I'm out, right there.

I feel last nights episode was toned down (Editted?)

They're all edited hora - that's how TV works

You end up with hours and hours of VT and try to put some good bits together in a coherent way

Just found out yesterday i've passed the assesment day, medical & vetting aside i'll start training in the next few months.

Special Constable by night, Undertaker by day. The streets of Manchester will be a safer place.... maybe.

I'll be joining you one day.

jota180. A re-edit before transmission.

I kid you not, some of the officers who have featured on Coppers have now been served notices that they are being investigated for their behaviour. This is despite the nod of approval from our galant leaders[/quote

Unfortunately I would say some of your colleagues were being a little naive if they didn't expect managment would do their legs if they disagreed with the tone of their comments. Call me cynical but don't say anything on tape, in a car or in an office unless your happy for it to be repeated in court.

 

I worry for the intelligence of some of them if they thought some of those comments and actions would be ignored

Kilo

I've only watched a couple of episodes but have to agree with your comments re naivety.

When bosses give tacit approval, that does not mean that you can breach the 'company line' without consequences and as with all these programs you are laying yourself wide open to editing with the specific purpose of providing entertainment within a 'real' setting.

If these guys thought they would get away with some of the things they said, regardless of the fact that it's a true reflection on what/who they have to deal with on a daily basis, then they have gone beyond naivety and into the realms of stupidity.

Next week I'm expecting a British version of Bad Boys

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Woody

I wouldn't go so far as to say stupidity, I've been on a similar tv thing many years ago and the production staff know what they are after and will try to steer you that way and they're used to doing that - but you'd hope that the little voice in the back of the head would go off - I wouldn't go near one again.

The bully that was throwing the alcy up the street deserves the sack. The 9 officers stopping the father see his disabled son in the back of the Ambulance the other week need a roasting. I'm assuming the tall CID officer was playing to the camera and isn't really such a tit in real life.

Otherwise great programme. 🙂

Obviously the little voice didn't go off for them and I agree that they were probably steered and encouraged in certain directions - thus my comment.

There is no way I would allow myself to be filmed on that sort of basis, as I know of too many repercussions which have followed. This appears to be another case that proves the rule.

Do you think last nights episode was edited? (i.e. tasty bits taken out)

Everything is edited numb nuts.

You should see the unedited version of your life. Jesus Christ! Its enough to make you weep.

Oh...erm....

I cringed when I saw one of the coppers holding a Taser was wearing a power-balance band. Hopefully they give him the one with the flat battery to play with.

Me and happy Binners 🙂

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Theres the element of monotony of a shift etc- it showed that well but the comment that no Notts Fire Arms officers have ever fired/shot anyone.. well WOW.

Which one was our friend Mildred?

I think that it is very possible that the episode revisited the editing suite, following the reaction to previous episodes. It certainly seemed a little more 'vanilla' than previous episodes. Still enjoyed it though...

Binners, you knew what Hora meant; cheap shot. 😉

I love him really. As you can see from our photo. That was at our civil ceremony last year.

The theme was Brokeback Mountain. Do you want me to post the full length shots, so you can see the leather chaps?

The woman who explained away her drink/volume issues on being abused by both parents. I wonder if her parents are alive to defend themselves? It seemed almost like a throw away comment in a paragraph of excuses.

I do not want to see Hora's chap.

"the 9 officers stopping the father see his disabled son need a roasting"

Is that really how you saw it?!

The "father" was intoxicated and stopping the medical staff assessing his son's condition after ringing for help in the first place. Once there, the emergency services had a duty of care and without the help of police on this occassion the father would have prevented his son from receiving treatment. He obviously disliked authority and was being completely unreasonable.

Binners; 😯 Mental image mind bleach required... 😆

"the 9 officers stopping the father see his disabled son need a roasting"

Is that really how you saw it?!

The "father" was intoxicated and stopping the medical staff assessing his son's condition after ringing for help in the first place. Once there, the emergency services had a duty of care and without the help of police on this occassion the father would have prevented his son from receiving treatment. He obviously disliked authority and was being completely unreasonable.

Funny how he said he was a fulltime worker full of pomposity as though he was saying he was a taxpayer berating bad service....then added 'Im a fulltime carer for him'.. 😆

"the 9 officers stopping the father see his disabled son need a roasting"

The father seemed to have issues in the programme I saw.

Someone close to me is very good friends with one of the cops you'll have seen in some of the episodes. By all accounts, the Police aren't too chuffed with the final editing and the rank and file are feeling a bit hard done by in the way a whole day's filming may have been cut down to a single comment that taken alone doesn't in any way represent what they really saw. Of course, I'd suggest that they're very naive if they ever thought that TV was going to portray things fairly rather than in a way that would create interest/outrage/etc. By all accounts, the senior officers who sanctioned the filming aren't flavour of the month with the more senior officers...

"the Police aren't too chuffed with the final editing and the rank and file are feeling a bit hard done by in the way a whole day's filming may have been cut down to a single comment that taken alone doesn't in any way represent what they really saw"

we had the fly on the wall people at our inner city criminal law practice . I and the staff i viewed as my team refused to play and refused to be interviewed, we came out really well those who were filmed were made in to caricatures and to my mind came across really badly.

The whole tone of the film was false. We were based in what is only partly jokingly referred to as the ghetto the film kept cutting to people in power suits dinning in posh restaurants in the commercial center of Leeds.

Given one of the incidents shown appears to form the subject of an outstanding complaint I'm surprised it was not more heavily cut.

IMO the Firearms officers came across very well in my opinion.

In the Armoury I did 😐 at the way the officer waved the firearm towards the cameraman a couple of times whilst talking (without realising it) though. H&S!

I'm looking forward to next weeks episode now, having seen one of my former colleagues in the preview clip in the van.

In my opinion all the coppers have come across very well IMO.

Taking into account the scum they've had to deal with...

I was in there, and filmed much much more than shown. But...

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By all accounts, the Police aren't too chuffed with the final editing and the rank and file are feeling a bit hard done by in the way a whole day's filming may have been cut down to a single comment that taken alone doesn't in any way represent what they really saw. Of course, I'd suggest that they're very naive if they ever thought that TV was going to portray things fairly rather than in a way that would create interest/outrage/etc. By all accounts, the senior officers who sanctioned the filming aren't flavour of the month with the more senior officers...

Exactly this - I refused all cooperation, as did most officers. Those that did take part had to have their arms twisted in order to take part, with the comment from the "more senior officers" - 'make it happen'. I would've loved to be a fly on the wall in the meeting when the production company were selling their wares; "Yes, we call it a lens, and inside there is where the [i]magic[/i] happens"...

but the comment that no Notts Fire Arms officers have ever fired/shot anyone.. well WOW.

I came fairly close not long ago when a bloke came screaming and sprinting at me in a dark car park with double headed 'battle-axe' being waived above his head. I shouted at him (in my own unique manner) and he dropped it and started crying. At court, I was asked "did you feel threatened at any point in this encounter?" Doh!

Last week's episode had one of my all time favourite bits of telly - the bit where the cop jumps behind the wheel of his car and raps out, "WOOP! WOOP!, Das da sound of da police!". Brilliant!