Are the actualy made in England? i got a new Orange bike last year and if i remember right the sticker on the frame said ” Designed in england ” but it was made in the far east.

Oh Brother!!!!!……………

Sub £3k will get you this…..

http://www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes/bike.html?b=2088

Better Built (probably)
Better looking
Evolved !
Every component is better spec (Full Xtr, R1s etc)
significantly! lighter
Rare (at the moment)
Rave reviews
Great service

hmmmm a TOTR Canyon, then 25 Tai hookers with the spare cash! or a 5SE !

😆

If im right only the 5 is made in Halifax, all the cheaper ones are made else where.
That Canyon looks lovely and GOOD value for money.
I mean come on, the 5s have to be expensive, they are made in the UK.

Basically the monocoque ones are made in the UK, the tube ones are made in Taiwan (not totally sure about the ST4 but I think it’s furrin)

Better Built (probably)

Errr no, its made by a robot.

Better looking

Are you blind, it looks like a Kona!

Evolved

Really?

Every component is better spec (Full Xtr, R1s etc)

Correct, makes up for that cheap and nasty frame

significantly! lighter

Who cares?

Rare (at the moment)

So are Ladas

Rave reviews

I think that was more the fact it was cheap and had decent kit

Great service

Aren’t they internet only?

To be fair, that Canyon does look a million times nicer than the Orange Five.

And what’s wrong with being built by a robot? The tubes were on the Orange, so why not the welding?

Starting to assume Flow’s on a troll here…

flow – Member

Errr no, its made by a robot.

And? Being handmade isn’t automatically better, in fact robot welding is often more consistent.

flow – Member
Correct, makes up for that cheap and nasty frame

What’s cheap and nasty about it?

No it doesn’t, its a matter of opinion obviously.

The Five isn’t made of tubes, its pressed from sheet aluminium then welded.

Northwind, assume what you like, I’m entitled to an opinion as much as anyone else.

They do ride much better with a coil shock, RP23 BV for me blows its mid-travel.

Funny old debate going on, its a good bike at most things, and it forgives my awful skills 😀

with my 36’s on it does feel like a mini DH bike, and can go much faster than I can think downhill.

Flow: 😆

Personal insults don’t help

Alright they are pressed and cut by a machine 8)

This is a cool vid though whether you like them or not

FLOW, yes you are entitled to an opinion, JUST LIKE EVEYONE ELSE.

Bored now

And what’s wrong with being built by a robot? The tubes were on the Orange, so why not the welding?

Nothing wrong with it, in fact set up correctly the robot will make better welds than any human.

Edit doh too slow…

Flow clearly is a guy who owns an Orange 5, probably a Neon green one with colour matched rims and deems himself a little “crazy”. When I owened a 5 SE I also felt, for some strange reason, a little hell bent on protecting its integrity, probably because I am from halifax ?

Canyons are probably made by robots,……… the exact reason why I would buy one. The thing about robots is they can be programmed to produce perfection, frame after frame. They dont have mood swings, they dont turn up late, they dont have opinion etc…etc….

I noticed someone above mentioned the “trueness” of his 5 frame, my back wheel also was 7-8mm further to the RH side of the swing arm, I dropped it back in and they said it was in tolerence ?.

Off to drool over that crap looking cheap Canyon ?……….. with its £275.00 seatpost & £450.00 brakeset, worth a punt ?, at least if you didnt like it you could split it and make a margin !.

flow – Member

The Five isn’t made of tubes, its pressed from sheet aluminium then welded.

Except the top tube, which is a tube.

You’re entitled to an opinion but you should at least have something to back it up apart from “it’s not made by a robot” and “the Canyon is nasty”

Flow and Mountainman123 stop fighting its making me sad, come on we all love bikes , there only as good as the rider, I use mine to compensate for my hopeless skills. 😀

Got to agree Canyon is not my cuppa tea

I think i am with northwind, mountainman123 and ragti on this one. flow is a troll and seems to have nothing to back anything he says up!
Loving the sarcasm Northwind 😆

You are always going to pay a premium for anything handmade because whether you like it or not, you are paying for someones skills and time.

You’re entitled to an opinion but you should at least have something to back it up apart from “it’s not made by a robot” and “the Canyon is nasty”

to correct a common misconception about off-shore bike production, VERY few bicycle frames are manufactured using “robots”, they are actually “hand made” not by english or german workers but by highly-skilled Taiwanese workers who actually get paid a good wage for their work

a skilled welder in Taiwan is typically making US$25,000 a year

many of the quality frames manufactured in Taiwan are made by small, specialist manufacturing plants which are often family-owned and run by business people who have invested huge amounts of money into the latest manufacturing technology and training for their workforce

as an example, I currently ride a Canadian manufactured Split-Pivot suspension frame – everything is manufactured in Canada except for the tubeset which is made in Taiwan as it requires very specialist hydroforming tube manipulation which is not available anywhere in the USA, Canada or Europe

once the tubeset has been manufactured it is shipped back to Quebec, Canada and then mitred and jigged up for welding

this hydroforming is not done for aesthetic reasons, but to put the metal exactly where its needed, and remove it where its not needed – this results in a tough ‘real world resistant’ tubeset with minimal weight compared to regular round tubing or the old Easton RAD style tubesets

Taiwan is where the cutting edge manufacturing is found – unfortunately not in the UK or Germany

Taiwan has factories leading the world in advanced bicycle manufacuring including hydroforming the highest strength and toughest 7XXX series aluminium alloys, cold-forging and cold-form extrusion

China has factories leading the world in advanced bicycle manufacturing including hand-laid carbon composite technology

all these factories are heavily ‘labour intensive’ with ‘hand made’ being the way things are done..not “robots”

Jeffus / Flow……its still 2 for one with free prescription sunglasses 😉

eher shore, at last someone talking sense. Im sure flow will find something to correct you on.

Anti-Squat-Kinematics
Oh i just love marketing speak

flow is a troll and seems to have nothing to back anything he says up!

I think you’ll find there’s more than one troll in this thread…

Are you lot still on about this?

I have a five – love its geometry and versatility. Built with Coils front and back as a do it all bike. I can do Iners DH lines one day then a cross country mega loop the next.

Its basic and simple and gets the job done.

many of the quality frames manufactured in Taiwan are made by small, specialist manufacturing plants which are often family-owned and run by business people who have invested huge amounts of money into the latest manufacturing technology and training for their workforce

Ahhh if I must correct you.

Giant is the world’s largest bicycle manufacturer with factories in Taiwan, China, and Europe. Giant, a Taiwanese company started in 1972, manufacturers their own bikes – including the carbon bikes, which is unique in the industry (i.e., most other brands utilize other manufacturers such as Advanced or Martec).

In addition to making their own bikes, Giant also makes, or has made, bikes for many other prominent brands, including Trek, Specialized, Schwinn, and Bianchi. Giant’s claim to fame is that they have the most sophisticated and efficient manufacturing facilities in the bicycle industry.

I believe they also manufacture bikes for Santa Cruz.

These bikes are mass-produced, they are definitely not handmade.

I got that from here, I wasn’t born with the knowledge, have a read yourself

http://allanti.com/articles/where-was-my-bike-made-pg328.htm

[Jeffus / Flow……its still 2 for one with free prescription sunglasses ]

Ragti you made me laugh, I’m crazy about really bright colours always have been, Neon Green is awsome, even glows in the dark, although my last bike was an anodised grey Nomad, very dull but rides superb.
My reason for the Neon Green was so my mates can easily find me in the gorse on night rides 😀 😀

Only really cheap bikes are made by robots. Everything any of us ride is welded by real people who happen to live abroad.

Ahhh if I must correct you.

Giant is the world’s largest bicycle manufacturer with factories in Taiwan, China, and Europe. Giant, a Taiwanese company started in 1972, manufacturers their own bikes – including the carbon bikes, which is unique in the industry (i.e., most other brands utilize other manufacturers such as Advanced or Martec).

In addition to making their own bikes, Giant also makes, or has made, bikes for many other prominent brands, including Trek, Specialized, Schwinn, and Bianchi. Giant’s claim to fame is that they have the most sophisticated and efficient manufacturing facilities in the bicycle industry.

I believe they also make bike for Santa Cruz.

These bikes are mass-produced

don’t worry about it..I’ve spent time off-shore in the factories making these bikes

even Giant’s frames are “hand made”, not using robots on some mass production line 😉

Giant have gotten very good at streamlining their production but still employ actual human beings (very skilled ones) to make their frames

robots are not very good at placing tubesets into a jig for tack welding, doing alignment checks and then actually welding the frame

but generally, human hands are involved in manufacturing bicycle frames whether its Giant or smaller outfits like Pacific

If you actually read that link you will learn something

Edit: not directed at anyone in particular

Flow, I’m going to join in the bashing as it seems safe to be part of the crowd..The standard mistake on stw and other forums is to make a crtical reply of someone esles post without first reading it, these seems to be your problem here.

The post above says, crucially “many of the quality etc etc”

from your reply it appears you read that as most as otherwise your reply makes little sense..

Of course I could be comitting the 2nd biggest mistake made on stw and other forums, which is assuming that anyone posting is capapble of making sense..

If you actually read that link you will learn something.

read that information 3 years ago, its somewhat out of date and generalises certain manufacturing information

Cannondale are ALL made in Taiwan, not the USA, as are Rocky Mountain and Santa Cruz (not made by Giant, btw)

Jeffus, you are clearly a fan of the 90s with your naff neon Fads !, I bet you are dissapointed peppermint green was not on the list ? 😆

I see a bloke every thursday night on a neon green 5 with matched rims, he even drives a bright red BMW estate (debadged of course) which in other words makes it a 316i !!!, he also probably works in I.T. ?

Built with Coils front and back as a do it all bike. I can do Iners DH lines one day then a cross country mega loop the next

Owning as I do a Patriot, I don’t like my 5 on DH courses. Head angle too steep and bars too far away. Of course they need to be like that for riding up stuff which is part of the bike’s brief.

2007 model tho.

molgrips – im not saying its the best at those tasks just highlighting for me its a do it all machine that gets me out riding everything.

Possibly jack of all trades master of none (except maybe singletrack trail descents) but to be honest thats all im after.

Yes you are correct, Cannondale moved all its production to Taiwan in 2010 I think. I thought Santa Cruz were made by Giant 😕

A well designed bike, made by hand or machines with good quality control is what is important. Who cares where it’s made.The it’s made in Halfax by hand so it must be good and one made by robots in Tiawan is crap is clearly bolloc£s statement about the real quality of a particular bike.

RagTi, my wife rolls her eyes every time I build a new bike 😀

It all started with a Vista Orange Mk2 Escort Sport with RS Alloys in 1981,

never had any colour sense since… 😀

1st mountain bike Kona Hoss Beer brown 😕
Scott G zero grey 😕
SC Chameleon Bright Orange 😀
SC Heckler Bright Orange, 😀
two years later repainted Bright Yellow, 😀
SC Superlight Bright Orange 😀
SC Nomad Grey 😕
Yeti Arc Bright Yello and Black 😀
Orange P7 completely White 😀
Giant Reign Grey 😕
Orange 5 Neon Green 😀

I think my final colour has gone off the scale of bad taste but I like it 😀 😀

I think my final colour has gone off the scale of bad taste but I like it 😀

………….confirmed, then again it was probably required to cover the depression caused by riding your previous Giant reign, in grey !

Mk1 1 Escort…..drule ! 8)

Mountainman weren’t you crying like a big girl the other day because Ibis had released a new bike that had a better colour than yours or some other ridiculously vacuous reason? No wonder you don’t “get” the Orange 5. PS do you wish you were on the MBUK WReCKINGZ CREWZ?

If it wasn’t you I apologize profusely for my ire.