Oceangate Sub Missing

Somehow I have accidentally subscribed to this topic and I am experiencing notificatageddon…

Have another

Jeepers guys.  Can you not read?  I said nothing about the rescuers being racist.

Its well known and documented that news stories of folk in peril or at risk get more news coverage in the UK if those in peril are white.

This isn’t controversial in that its well known and documented

Culture Warrior is a description/insult usually used by Lefties aimed at the Right Wing but I see more evidence of it in the other direction by folk so determined to show just how “woke” they are that they need to bring it up at every opportunity.

Where is it documented?  When it comes to the uk news, I suspect white people in peril is really ‘uk citizens’ in peril. However unfortunately I wouldn’t be surprised if I was proven wrong (obviously I don’t count the daily mail as a source of news)

just for clarity, I didn’t read you were calling the rescue team racist!

Sorry for the thread diversion.  One post to defend myself.  Plenty of other data on this..  these are about missing people but its been seen and documented in other sorts of cases

There was some discussion prior about the media coverage so made this comment to add to that discussion and got jumped on.  Its an uncomfortable truth that many folk do not want to face.  The whiter you are the more physically attractice and richer the more press coverage your peril gets

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/there-s-an-epidemic-of-missing-children-of-colour-who-aren-t-photogenic-enough-to-find-a6989666.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22441124

https://www.academia.edu/857391/Missing_Children_in_National_News_Coverage_Racial_and_Gender_Representations_of_Missing_Children_Cases

@tj complete nonsense as far as I’m concerned- there’s nothing ‘race’ in this at all and no need to try and get it in there.

Some very interesting knowledge of the field though, as ever from here, which is great to read….

This is getting media coverage everywhere but especially here as it’s the Titanic and this is real Thunderbirds stuff.

Scotroutes absolutely 💯

Tj, why are you here? Have you got anything constructive to add to the discussion regarding the missing sub or are you just looking for opportunities to signal your righteousness? You’ve already made a right tit of yourself regarding the Pakistanis on board…

Go and monitor your bike stand 😉

Poly put up a big post abiut the.media coverage.  I have been reading this thread with interest.  I thought it an interesting addition to polys post. Which was in part making general pints

However its clearly triggerd some of you not wanting to face uncomfortable truths well documented and accepted widely.

Apologies fir the rhread diversion again.  I did not think such an obvious and well founded general point would trigger so many of you

No, the issue is that the point you’re labouring has nothing to do with a submarine disappearing in the Atlantic. Go start a thread about uncomfortable truths and I’m sure the same people will happily engage

@gobuchul One thing that link points out is the number of support vessels in attendance at a “professionally run” dive.

i see that the CEO is the pilot of the missing sub.  He may be regretting some decisions now

I wonder if he’s got to “hang on a minute lads, I’ve got a great idea”.

If the sub was rescued would everyone be alive?  How long before you saw the people you are with as a drain on the available oxygen. Being under that kind of mental strain would make for some very radical impulsive decisions.  One less person another 2,3,4 hours of oxygen.

How many climbers are left for dead on big money expeditions such as Everest where it’s just a random bunch of people who can afford to pay and there is no bond built up for years between the people present. Maybe not the best analogy or a pleasant one to think about.

Is the sub equipped with an emergency sonar beacon? From what I’ve read they aren’t great, but in this kind of situation having one would certainly be better than not.

<p style=”text-align: left;”>This might have been answered elsewhere but why is it bolted shut from the outside only? Would it not make sense to bolt from the inside and give them a spanner?</p>
 I’m sure there is a good reason but I know nothing about this topic.

You’d be instantly crushed as soon as it’s opened. Plus I’d imagine it needs to surface slowly to avoid the bends.*

*I know zero on the subject.

I think its at atmospheric pressure inside or not much above so no risk of bends.

#meta: I am no stranger to robust (cough) online conversation, but some of you need to resist the temptation to join in a pile-on. It comes across as bullying.

Watching the amount of effort going into the search and rescue operation with amazement. Being a billionaire really can mobilise militaries can’t it. Wonder what the rewards being offered are?

BBC now running with “What happens when you run out of oxygen”. **** me they really are scraping the ghoulish barrel

Being a billionaire really can mobilise militaries can’t it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/02/special-forces-aid-workers-afghanistan

Also happens for ordinary folk too, that’s one example of many where others have put their lives on the line for non-billionaires.

BBC now running with “What happens when you run out of oxygen”.

I’m guessing this is a shortish article.

Billionaires?
Tham Luang cave rescue.

Aye.  I dont tbink the fact they are rich has a lot to do with the rescue attempt

Coming into this quite late, but I’l chuck in my tuppence worth.
I can’t comment on the sub design, but I can comment on keeping in touch with stuff very deep in the ocean. From the ship I work on we put acoustic transponders on the seabed, normally 1000m to 3000m, but they are rated to 4000m. Deeper rating version can be had too. Relatively speaking they are not expensive or large (1.3m x 14cm, 40 kg), and the batteries can keep them running for 40 weeks. Smaller versions also possible. Using a single transponder you could easily resolve its position to less than 10m at that depth.
So, with peoples lives at stake it wouldn’t be too much to ask that at least two were fitted to the sides of the sub to maintain a track of it’s position at all times. You can also send/receive telemetry commands (no voice comms, though), so some form of situational awarness would be achieved.
I am, quite frankly baffled, and can only assume some form of catastrophic failure, hopefully it was so quick they didn’t even know about it.

I think there possibly one of the key reasons so much professional help and effort is being applied is that this rescue atempt is a challenge to the world’s best. A lot could be learnt from trying and those who consider themselves the best in the business will relish the challenge. Big kudos also in the successful rescue. Also, when you consider the importance and cost of military subs, maybe there are things to be learnt there.

Someone mentioned it above, but imagine being a father with your son in that position and the existential dilema faced. If I log-off there will be another 20% air. Its a truly awful situation for them no matter what race or net worth. I think one reason we find it fascinating is that it is happening ‘live’. The jeopardy is real. Those with empathy can easily imagine being in that situation.

The other comparison the boat people if you will, is that these people had a choice and chose to take risks. One would assume the people on the boat didn’t have a choice in taking the trip.

? As a former Army Officer who also visited a WW II submarine on a Boy Scout trip in 1977 and is a big fan of The Hunt for Red October, here’s my advice on recovering the the submersible…1/492

— Major Reno, US Cavalry (@RenoCavalry) June 21, 2023

@politecameraaction – TJ knows I love him dearly and we have a great relationship. I’m his realist – reminding him what real people are like – and he’s my carer. He cares about things so I don’t have to.

Watching the amount of effort going into the search and rescue operation with amazement. Being a billionaire really can mobilise militaries can’t it. Wonder what the rewards being offered are?

I think that is possibly what TJ was pointing out.  Would the same level of effort be involved if some migrants were in peril somewhere (which they are every day and all we hear about is how many have died that day)

It does at least appear that mass worldwide help is only offered in certain scenarios, will leave it at that as I agree that is not what this thread is about…

It does at least appear that mass worldwide help is only offered in certain scenarios,

Where there is still time for something to be done.

I would assume there have been no offers of help from our Russian friends….who declined external assistance with the Kursk.

I think there possibly one of the key reasons so much professional help and effort is being applied is that this rescue atempt is a challenge to the world’s best. A lot could be learnt from trying and those who consider themselves the best in the business will relish the challenge.

Agreed, that cave rescue of non white, poor people was an example of the world community coming together to help save lives. Some pretty amazing and pioneering rescue techniques were used too

Wheras the Tory government go out of their way to put asylum seeking immigrants deliberately in harms way by forcing them to cross the channel on totally inappropriate blow up boats.

@kazaha
Prepare to be deleted….. I was . Only mentioned a scene from the Abyss. 😉

They are all a bit “wet” on here 😉

Wheras the Tory government go out of their way to put asylum seeking immigrants deliberately in harms way by forcing them to cross the channel on totally inappropriate blow up boats.

Eh? Wrong thread but can you provide evidence of that or is it a very sweeping stupid comment? I thought the people paid £1000’s to get a ticket on the blow up boats and were being exploited by traffickers not the government.

I guess the link is in both cases people are paying vast sums of money to go on vessels that are quite clearly shonky and then expecting governments to rescue them, so I guess there is a link after all

BBC now running with “What happens when you run out of oxygen”. **** me they really are scraping the ghoulish barrel

I read and watched that piece and its just factual reporting. Bad shit happens and its just human curiosity to want to know about it.

as mentioned above.. a father and son on board

as a father.. I definitely would have been considering improving mine and my sons chances by reducing the oxygen usage of the other inhabitants..

96 hours in the cold dark is a lot of time to change your morals, horrific situation

I guess the link is in both cases people are paying vast sums of money to go on vessels that are quite clearly shonky and then expecting governments to rescue them, so I guess there is a link after all

which is odd as the government wouldn’t need to rescue them if they were allowed to use a perfectly good tunnel or one of the many “safe” ferries.

I guess the link is in both cases people are paying vast sums of money to go on vessels that are quite clearly shonky and then expecting governments to rescue them, so I guess there is a link after all

Yet some get more government help than others probably because they are not the ‘enemy’