Oceangate Sub Missing

Gobuchul, I was suggesting if you emergency escaped, not the pressure housing was released and allowed to ascend, that you’d be instantly pulped. nearly 6000 psi would do a lot to the human body, I know this is obvious to most just clearing up that there can be no emergency escape installed

That doesn’t seem right.

Bunker oil is about $600 per tonne, gas oil more like $800. So that’s at least 1250 tonnes of fuel.

The trip to Titanic was 8 days at sea, no way is that Polar Prince burning 150 tonne of fuel a day.

Listen, I’ve seen the back of a fag packet he does all his calculations on, it’s a genuine figure.

it didn’t seem right even from a spending our total income on fuel point of view – but an odd comment from the guy that runs the company?!

”In one journey the company can go through $1m worth of fuel, OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush told CBS News last year.”

Misquoting the cost of operating the boat perhaps? I’d not be surprised if you wanted to charter a boat that size if the price wasn’t £100k/day?

Or are we miss-defining “trip”, a short hop from St Johns to the Titanic, or a trip to the South Pole?

Interesting how people are averse to discussing the pros/cons of billionaires and their silly hobbies but very intersted in how much fuel it takes to dive to the Titanic. 🤔

the impression you crashed on a low risk, easy bit of trail. So the people thinking that are doing you something of a disservice

Not everyone is a riding god.

If I was going to cast anyone as “deserving less sympathy” in all of this it’s the owners/operators of ‘Ocean Gate’ as they’re clearly chasing money more than safety…

At least he is f-in over the 0.01% and not exploiting the masses for his gain.

odd that the the adventure chap had founded an aviation company where the industry runs on “have I done enough to cover my arse in case of an accident” and been down to the Mariana Trench.

Surely one look at the shonky hot water tank vessel would have you drawing comparisons to the previous vessel you’d been in  & deciding you’re out?

Interesting thread except for all the weird envy politics stuff. Can’t you start a new thread to moan about people with more money than yourselves.

the standard hard right response – and its bollox.  No envy being shown here at all – just a few folk with a social conscience pointing out billionaires1) impoverish others by hoarding wealth and 2) can never spend all their money

Have been reading this but not paying attention to news, but apparently they are deepening the search. A proper daft question but should they be checking the bottom for a pulverised object?
Assuming surface searches also being done, would it not be sensible to check the seabed? Aware they may not have the right kit yet…
It sounds awful…

Could’ve fed someone in many parts of the world for a week (the money, not the bar!). Do I get scorned and deserve to die now?

By the time you’ve spent 1/4 million on Cadburys (perish the thought) you would be dead and I personally would still laugh at you because you would be fat and probably dead.

see how much wear and tear an 11 year old can put one of those through.

14  year old me put the mouse on our 1994 computer through a lot more stress.

jambourgie
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Interesting thread except for all the weird envy politics stuff.

Yeah you’re right, everyone is super jealous of these almost certainly dead people.

Interesting how people are averse to discussing the pros/cons of billionaires and their silly hobbies but very intersted in how much fuel it takes to dive to the Titanic.

If you want to discuss the former, go and start a thread, and leave those that want to talk about subs on the thread talking about subs.

the standard hard right response – and its bollox. No envy being shown here at all – just a few folk with a social conscience pointing out billionaires1) impoverish others by hoarding wealth and 2) can never spend all their money

Who may well be slowly suffocating to death while you type that.

and leave those that want to talk about subs on the thread talking about subs.

Thread’s not about subs though is it? It’s about the people who are on it, and that’s what we’re talking about.

A proper daft question but should they be checking the bottom for a pulverised object?

Its been reported a pipe laying vessel with a deep water ROV has got to the area. At least one French ship is on the way as well.
Not much stuff capable of going that deep though and it wont help that the Titanic debris is there to clog up sensors.
It isnt just going to be pulverised but trapped (an earlier Russian expedition got caught against the stern and took about 30mins to get free).

No conspiracy theories of a large life insurance policy and a lot of secret debt? Be easy to sail off from there to a remote island undetected 😉

It isnt just going to be pulverised but trapped (an earlier Russian expedition got caught against the stern and took about 30mins to get free).

How do you know? It’s one theory certainly but a hull failure would also lead to it becoming pulverised (i’m guessing it would anyway?). Does anyone know how long it takes to get down there, and thus how far along that journey they likely were when contact ceased?

How do you know? I

Mistyped. Meant that being trapped was an alternative to hull failure.

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No conspiracy theories of a large life insurance policy and a lot of secret debt?

Give a couple of weeks of searching and people will start to talk.

certainly but a hull failure would also lead to it becoming pulverised (i’m guessing it would anyway?). Does anyone know how long it takes to get down there, and thus how far along that journey they likely were when contact ceased?

Sky saying “lost contact 75mins into 2.5 hour descent and 2.5 hours to get back up”.

Still can’t believe so called intelligent people do this, oh well “natural selection” may eventually get rid of these parasites.

Not if they’ve already reproduced before the trip.

If they did somehow find themselves outside the sub they wouldn’t be crushed.  The human body is more than 60% water which isn’t compressible and a quick google suggests that you’d have to be more than 35km down to be hurt by the pressure.

Having enough air to get to the surface would be one of the may issues as you’d have to be breathing something very exotic at that depth plus you’d need many very long decompression stops on the way up along with a vast quantity of gas.

Pressure cylinders – I’m no expert but some types of scuba cylinders are 300 bar and they do carbon versions as well.  I know its a much smaller scale but the technology exisits.

5labFull Member
No conspiracy theories of a large life insurance policy and a lot of secret debt? Be easy to sail off from there to a remote island undetected 😉

The billionaire’s version of kayaking in the north sea

I’m going to blame the Logitech controller, I’ve got 2 of them on my PC and they’re forever being disconnected. I’ve not known any other USB device like it to be honest!

https://www.google.com/search?q=logitech+f710+disconnecting&oq=logitech+f710+disconnecting&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIICAEQABgWGB4yCggCEAAYhgMYigUyCggDEAAYhgMYigUyCggEEAAYhgMYigUyCggFEAAYhgMYigUyCggGEAAYhgMYigXSAQg2Nzk5ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

If they did somehow find themselves outside the sub they wouldn’t be crushed.

True, but the collapse of the sub would likely squish them

Losing contact halfway down seems like it’s less likely to be a collapse though, as there’s not nearly as much pressure there?

The guy on the radio described the xbox controller.

He said it had one knob. Push forward to go forward, back to go back, left to go left and right to go right.

He never mentioned up and down. So I think that may be the issue.

Has anyone considered the idea that the sub builder  said it was unsinkable and then the operator wanted to set a record and impress the wealthy passengers so the captain was put under pressure to push the tolerances and then it hit an object in the water and then sank.

Then Rose wouldn’t let Jack get on her floating door so he drowned.

Just a thought

Why is pressure different in the ocean?

Worth a quick read

It’s bad enough that billionaires exist at all, even if they spend their money on ‘nice’ things. However for them to rub our noses in it by spending what would be life changing amounts of money for most of us on pleasure trips to the bottom of the ocean shows us how much they care about us little people. They deserve as much respect or sympathy as they show us. F*** ’em!

The guy who founded the company I work for is now a billionaire (thanks to his continued major shareholding). He has changed hundreds of lives (paying off mortgages, putting employees kids though private school/university). He pays approx a million quid in tax, every week. When he comes into the office (we have a few now, 2000 plus employees) he brings in a suitcase full of fifties, and hands them all out to folk who happen to be there. His plan for the money once he shuffles off is for it all to go to charity. They aren’t all ****s.

No idea what his appetite for submarining is though.

This type of thing just reinforces my preconceptions that many billionaires are just lucky with somebody else’s money.

Never mind about lovely billionaires. What I want to know is how deep you’d need to be in order to become spherical?

Oi! I resemble that comment!

Listening to an interview with the journalist who went down on. it- apparently there are 7 different emergency methods  of getting the sub to the surface- air bladders, propellers, dropping off the sub’s legs and so on- his inference is that if they’ve not come up then they’re either trapped in debris or suffered a leak and are dead.

Apparently there were construction tubes in racks on the outside, and they can be tumbled off by the passengers leaning to one side, tilting the sub.

As to leaks, William Beebe who went down in the Bathysphere in the 30’s said that if they’d struck a leak, they wouldn’t have had time to drown- that that first drops of water coming in would have been like bullets at that pressure.

I once met Roger Mallinson, the only living survivor of of the deepest submarine rescue to date. Was staying in a holiday let nextdoor to his place in Troutbeck Bridge.

Fascinating guy, about whom there’s tonnes more to say. The rescue took place in 1973, but as far as he’s concerned, it might as well have been yesterday. Still utterly preoccupied with it and very focused on the individual he believed was at fault.

Details of the rescue are mind-boggling. Spent 76 hours at 480 m. They’d have suffocated if he hadn’t taken a back up oxygen cylinder against orders. Worst detail for me was the fact that he had food poisoning from eating a bad pie in Manchester before shipping out. He had nothing to shit/puke into apart from a solitary plastic shopping bag.

I wish there was this level of concern for the plight of poor people, migrants, refugees, famine victims. Maybe the five HUNDRED poor people on the boat off the coast of Greece for example.

RockhopperFree Member
If they did somehow find themselves outside the sub they wouldn’t be crushed.  The human body is more than 60% water which isn’t compressible and a quick google suggests that you’d have to be more than 35km down to be hurt by the pressure.

I didn’t pay much attention at school, particularly in physics, but I doubt the human lungs cab deal with that much pressure.

he brings in a suitcase full of fifties, and hands them all out to folk who happen to be there.

Sounds like bo*****s. Also sounds like tax dodging.

Now we know how people can afford Trickstuff parts.

Sounds like bo*****s. Also sounds like tax dodging.

if you say so.

I could count on my fingers and toes the individuals in the UK who pay more tax than him.

He’s not been to my office while I’d been at the company yet.