Obese? "Exercise or We'll Cut Your Benefits" – Tory Council Plan.

Do you use the same strategy with your own kids?

Hands up, I don’t have kids. I do have nephews and a niece, and I have no problem saying no to them when they pester after something. Their parents seem to be able to do the same too.

no but it does remove free sporting facilities and provide you with fast food everywhere

Well, free sporting facilities would be good, but they aren’t essential and no-one is forced to buy the fast food.

its probably harder to be healthier now than in times gone for “societal” reasons.

Absolute tosh. For one thing fresh fruit and veg are available year round, and they’re cheap; that wasn’t the case not so very long ago. Never mind access to clean water, cheap meat, a free health service and readily available health advice. And people still have feet, it’s just that some choose not to use them enough.

**** sake. A bike is not “specialist equipment”. Every kid should have one.

I was half joking, yes every kid should have one but not all do. My point remains, having to travel to get to a play space is not conducive to exercise specially when there’s an xbox in your front room.

How many kids used to be able to play on or near their own street, how many can now?

molgrips – Member

sold off school sports facilities to developers

Didn’t we already expose this as a red herring a few months ago?

erm… no

I’ve heard that Eton are selling there’s off though. They don’t use ’em much, and they have no bearing on childrens fitness anyway 🙄

Usual short sighted morons are out in force I see.

The cause of obesity is societal, how can it not be?

Because society doesn’t open your mouth and stuff food in, or keep you pinned to your sofa.well having a minority of chunky people yes you could blame that on the persons involved but when it’s an “obesity epidemic” then I’m no expert but I’d take a wild guess and suggest chances are it’s something to do with society.

its probably harder to be healthier now

And thats in some part due to;

a) a lack of agreement on whats a healthy diet.

b) The marketing strategies unleashed on the general public, by large food manufacturers.

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Usual short sighted morons are out in force I see.
Hhmmm. Not sure just how constructive or informative that was.
😐

Who are they then? Am I one?

I’m actually slight long-sighted, with a mild strabismus and slight astygmatism

Hands up, I don’t have kids

You do surprise me. Its always easier to take the sanctimonious, simplistic, authoritarian approach when its purely theoretical.

Usual short sighted morons are out in force I see.

Do you mean the ‘if everyone just behaved like me, then the countries problems would be obliterated within a matter of minutes’ brigade?

I think the Daily Mash link, posted earlier sums it up perfectly! 😉

Well, free sporting facilities would be good, but they aren’t essential and no-one is forced to buy the fast food.

imagine we had free sports for all and and no fast food – would it make a difference – thats societies impact for you

Its not even worth debating tbh[ its still both though we could debate which is most important] – Have you considered america they think like you and are fatter than us =- just saying like 😛

Do you mean the ‘if everyone just behaved like me, then the countries problems would be obliterated within a matter of minutes’ brigade?

thats exactly what i would have written if i was eloquent enough

Why just major companies? Make food labelling clearer, sure. But I think you’ll find that most ‘fast food’ comes from local chippies, kebab shops, pizza shops and takeaways and not from the big bad ‘major’ companies.

I got a Pizza from Tesco the other week and it was laced with sugar. It was f** flipping disgusting. If it had been labelled Sugar and Pepperoni I wouldn’t have bothered.

Not being the greatest eater by any means I do spend a lot of time mooching around reading labels and thinking ‘kin hell! Yet still end up walking out with the bad stuff because I can’t find anything with anything good in it – and I’m not much of a cook. There’s a serious problem with the food industry as a whole when people conscious of the issues still struggle to get around them.

Yes, you can learn to cook properly. If you want something doing right and all that… But it’s not really the point. It will always be easier to buy prepared food and as long as it’s available that is what the majority will drift towards.

Sadly it’s a societal and cultural problem on every level. Whether you’re talking about exercise or food, it’s a little unfair to point the finger at individuals, and for what the tories are suggesting, ridiculous. Smart cards to show you’ve been to the gym? What if you’ve been out for a run, ride, or game of football. Will that be counted. And how?

We’re an obese nation. It was announced the other week that more people worldwide now die from eating too much than they do from eating too little. It’s a serious problem that needs addressed sensibly, without resorting to Oi Fatty, get back on the treadmill!

I got a Pizza from Tesco the other week and it was laced with sugar

Sounds awesome. Which one?

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM – Sugar and Pepperoni…..

Its always easier to take the sanctimonious, simplistic, authoritarian approach when its purely theoretical.

Except, as I explained, it’s not.

Anyway, let’s just say that there is a child who eats a lot of unhealthey food, which they obtain after watching adverts for it on the telly and pestering their parents into buying it. This continues to the point where the child is overweight. Is the excess weight really all the fault of the adverts? I’d say the lack of parental responsibility far outweighs the existence of the adverts

a) a lack of agreement on whats a healthy diet.

Is there though? There’s always the daily ‘red wine cures cancer and/or causes heart disease’ type stuff on the papers, but is there really any confusion about the fact that a good amount of fruit and veg and not too much sugar or fat is the way to go?

Most people know that their diet is unhealthy (if it is), they just don’t care.

I’ve heard that Eton are selling there’s off though. They don’t use ’em much, and they have no bearing on childrens fitness anyway

If true, Eton selling fields is incredible; my old school has fields around Highgate and Hampstead including one backing onto The Bishops Avenue, must be worth a fortune – if they’d get planning permission anyway.

or put a tax on pop, that’ll sort it.

oh sorry, I read that as “poop”, i thought I was going to be taxed for posting on this thread

Do you actually know anyone who does exercises without spending any money on it

get this, it’s totally radical. I sometimes cycle to work. Not only is that free, it saves money because i don’t pay for petrol. Awwwwsum.

Sounds awesome. Which one?

I think it was one of Tesco’s own. I forget which.

imagine we had free sports for all and and no fast food – would it make a difference – thats societies impact for you

I think you’re confusing Government with Society. Or maybe I am, or maybe we all are. You see, once again, it’s Thatcher’s fault 🙂

IHN – Member
But I think you’ll find that most ‘fast food’ comes from local chippies, kebab shops, pizza shops and takeaways and not from the big bad ‘major’ companies.

McDonalds alone was responsible for 16% of all fast food sales in 2011.

I came to the conclusion some time ago that this present shower of inhumane, smug, self-righteous, incompetent, self-serving bastards are actually waaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than Thatcher, in just about every way imaginable. Even hairstyles!

McDonalds alone was responsible for 16% of all fast food sales in 2011.

Of course that depends how you define “fast food”. Possibly they are classing it as takeaways only. But consider your local massive supermarket. How many aisles contain what could be classed as “healthy” food. 10%? 5%? less? I would class the rest as “fast food”.

McDonalds alone was responsible for 16% of all fast food sales in 2011.

Really? Blimey. What counts as fast food in those figures though?

Do you actually know anyone who does exercises without spending any money on it

I run a fair bit (although not as much as I need to…) and that costs me nothing to do. Apart from the shoes. And the fancy torch. And some nice socks. I reckon I could make do with just the shoes though.

Running three, four times a week for about 45 minutes a go and not drinking during the week meant that I lost about 10 Kg at the tail end of last year. It might not be inspirational, but I was happy with it.

but is there really any confusion about the fact that a good amount of fruit and veg and not too much sugar or fat is the way to go?

You may or may not have seen my previous contributions to threads on weight control or diet, etc, etc. I’m not looking to have a flame off.

But please allow me to disagree with that comment and use this as an example on how we can’t agree on what is healthy.

A breif explaination, you say not too much sugar or fat. I believe (not asking anyone else to though) you actually need a fair bit of none processed, natural fats in your diet, making up as much as perhaps 40% of your daily caloric intake. And we certainly do not need much fruit. Keep it seasonal, and not to nosh on it all year round, every day. Theres nothing you get from Fruit you can’t get from veg.

get this, it’s totally radical. I sometimes cycle to work. Not only is that free, it saves money because i don’t pay for petrol. Awwwwsum.

Wow free bike that maintains itself for free that does indeed sound awesome – thats quite a fail in countering my point.

I got a Pizza from Tesco the other week and it was laced with sugar. It was f** flipping disgusting

No sh*t Sherlock.

you can learn to cook properly. If you want something doing right and all that… But it’s not really the point.

It is the point. you choose to eat shite like supermarket pizza and then complain because it’s shite? Seriously?

Sadly it’s a societal and cultural problem on every level. Whether you’re talking about exercise or food, it’s a little unfair to point the finger at individuals

Not even the ones too lazy or stupid to pick up a cook book and read it? No, too difficult for some people, especially those whose abilities stop some way short of nderstanding how to operate a mirror or grasp that doors don’t shrink. let’s not, whatever we do, accept any responsibility for our own actions or lack of thenm, let’s blame society because it forces sugar laced pizza on us.
Then let’s sit in front of a computer and whine about it

McDonalds alone was responsible for 16% of all fast food sales in 2011.

If you were targeting unhealthy companies, there are far worse than McDonalds. As already noted, your local takeaway will doubtless be considerably worse. As would a lot of Supermarket food.

McDonalds have made a lot of changes as a result of public pressure/bad press. The big supermarkets have shown no such inclination.

Wow free bike that maintains itself for free that does indeed sound awesome – thats quite a fail in countering my point.

bike costs way less than driving, and comparabkle to car runing costs of running a car is almost free. And I mentioned walking available to tthm that can’t stretch to a bike. that’s quite a fail in understanding

This thing about cost. Isn’t this just an extension of natural selection ?.

Those able to earn enough to buy gym membership or exercise equipment such as a bike, or other stuff, survive and the poor biffers just die out ?.

bike costs way less than driving, and comparabkle to car runing costs of running a car is almost free. And I mentioned walking available to tthm that can’t stretch to a bike. that’s quite a fail in understanding

So almost free is that like not being free then?
like being almost dead is not actually dead?
Dont criticise my understanding when you give me something almost free as an example of free 😕

PS it was a genuine question re whether any sport/excercise was trully free

I think you’ve succinctly summed up present government policy there Solo.

Though they poor biffers would die out quicker if they were allowed to be hunted 😀

It is the point. you choose to eat shite like supermarket pizza and then complain because it’s shite? Seriously?

Where I come from there’s only Supermarkets left. And I like the occasional Pizza. It’s hardly a crime.

they are concerned that the poor biffers dying costs us money via the NHS /treatment. If they just died cheaply they would not be arsed – its tories of course the morality all boils down to money 😉

Though the poor biffers would die out quicker if they were allowed to be hunted

Where’s the sport in that, eh? They’d not last the first field! 😉

This thing about cost. Isn’t this just an extension of natural selection ?.

Those able to earn enough to by gym membership or exercise equipment such as a bike, or other stuff, survive and the poor biffers just die out ?.If only they would. Unfortunately, we keep having to bail them out for some reason. 😆

Though they poor biffers would die out quicker if they were allowed to be hunted

Feed them to the Orcses ?.

they are concerned that the poor biffers dying costs us money via the NHS /treatment.

whereas the gym treatments thy can be referred for are free?

Not even the ones too lazy or stupid to pick up a cook book and read it? No, too difficult for some people, especially those whose abilities stop some way short of nderstanding how to operate a mirror or grasp that doors don’t shrink. let’s not, whatever we do, accept any responsibility for our own actions or lack of thenm, let’s blame society because it forces sugar laced pizza on us.
Then let’s sit in front of a computer and whine about it

Yes instead of trying to understand the reasons why things happen, let’s be judgemental and point fingers and get all angry about it sat in front of a computer. That’ll sort it.