Nice to know there are guys like this on the road

***Warning Contains Daily Mail***

I’m sure “showboating” and pulling wheelies on the road can seem antisocial, but this seems a rather extreme reaction 

ARGHHHHH I clicked a Daily Mail link

It’s a bit like a Rick roll, but you end up rolling in shite.

Actually hunting them down and chasing through the streets… hope he gets done for murder, not manslaughter. Regardless of any other sentencing he should never be allowed to drive again.

On a side note, it’s nice to see “electric bike” rather than e-bike. Step in the right direction, and from the Mail no less. Also noted the prosecutor calling it a “motorbike”.

Actually hunting them down and chasing through the streets…

I think we’re probs all guilty of gesticulating or saying rude words to ourselves about other drivers. But this, actually going after some-one else just because them pulling a wheelie annoyed you…that is another level of **** up shit.

He said that despite the cycling pair’s attempts to throw off their pursuer, Ibrahim was able to make up the ground and again resumed his pursuit.

Red mist descends on seeing them and then ramming might be manslaughter.

Chasing them, losing them, finding them again and then ramming one (twice) after increasing speed to hit again after the first time didn’t knock him off = murder.

IANAL (probably for the best)

Red mist? The article doesn’t suggest that his victim had done anything at all to the Seat driver. Was there any sort of interaction between the two before the driver decided to attack him using his car as a weapon?

I think the important lesson to take from this story is that whilst they might be extremely rare there are some very dangerous people walking/driving in our streets and they will escalate things to unimaginable levels.

I work on the premise that every stranger on the road is a potential murderer looking for an excuse to kill me, especially when I am on my bike.

Red mist? The article doesn’t suggest that his victim had done anything at all to the Seat driver. Was there any sort of interaction between the two before the driver decided to attack him using his car as a weapon?

There was no interaction at all, and I didn’t mean to excuse anything.

I meant to say that if it was a case where driver sees someone pulling a wheelie, gets unreasonably angry about it (ie, red mist) and swerves to knock them off the bike, I can see that being manslaughter.

In this case the driver had every opportunity (so it seems. Obviously we don’t know all the details) to calm down and leave it alone, yet actively hunted them down again after getting some distance away.

no interaction between the car and the bikers but Mr Johnson (rider) had a ‘weird’ feeling and the impression it was following them

despite the cycling pair’s attempts to throw off their pursuer, Ibrahim (driver) was able to make up the ground and again resumed his pursuit

the first impact ‘propelled’ Liam’s’ bike, increasing its speed, while the other bike rider was able to get out of the way by riding into a park

On the first occasion Mr Jones managed to stay upright but on the second occasion the defendant increased his speed and Liam Jones was brought to the floor

Throw away the key, I say.

I think the important lesson to take from this story is that whilst they might be extremely rare there are some very dangerous people walking/driving in our streets and they will escalate things to unimaginable levels.

Yep, and I always forget that!.  Gave a driver a casual **** sign this morning as he overtook me just before a blind bend.  He then slammed his brakes on and got out of the car shouting at me but I cycled by and he tried to run after me but gave up, got back in his car and then drove past me at guessing around 50mph about 30cm from the end of my bars.

Okay I should not have started it with my gesture but he clearly had serious anger issues.

Judging by the angry saucer-eyed little man who once tried to pick a fight with me after I gesticulated an objection to him hitting my thigh with his wing mirror in traffic, I think widespread cocaine use is probably a contributing factor.

He then slammed his brakes on and got out of the car shouting at me but I cycled by and he tried to run after me but gave up, got back in his car and then drove past me at guessing around 50mph about 30cm from the end of my bars.

I’m normally quite happy if the driver wants to ‘sort things out’ by getting out the car.  You’ve always got a far higher chance with a human than a human behind the wheel of a car.

If I was looking to get away I’d definitely not just keep riding down the same road the driver and car were already on.

If someone gets out their car you pretty much have to assume if they get back into their car it’s to try and kill you.

I work on the assumption that anyone getting out of a car for a confrontation might possibly have a knife and be perfectly intent on using it.

Some people are willing to kill other people for really ridiculous reasons – don’t assume that everyone you might meet will react within reasonable and defined limits.

I am sure that Kenneth Noye’s young and fit victim thought that he could sort out Noye.

he overtook me just before a blind bend.  He then slammed his brakes on and got out of the car shouting at me

I’ve never quite understood how people are in such a tearing hurry that they’ll get angry and pull desperate manoeuvres rather than be held up for a few seconds, yet have all the time in the world to stop and have an argument about it.

I’ve never quite understood how people are in such a tearing hurry that they’ll get angry and pull desperate manoeuvres rather than be held up for a few seconds, yet have all the time in the world to stop and have an argument about it.

I think it is as simple as they are not thinking about it or don’t even see a problem with overtaking on blind bends/other shit driving rather than being in a hurry.  Lot of blind bends where I live and the few people I have discussed their poor overtaking with just didn’t see what the problem was.

If I was looking to get away I’d definitely not just keep riding down the same road the driver and car were already on.

I was thinking that but had no get out options on the particular road.

A few years ago, I stopped for a red light (I know, right?!) and the driver behind me missed me by inches as he booted it through the red light. I gestured after him and he pulled up on the other side of the junction, got out the car and was looking to cross the road back to me. Interesting that he was in so much of a hurry that he had to jump the light but had plenty of time to stop and look to get into a fight.

Thankfully the traffic was too heavy for him to cross and he got bored after a few seconds, got back into his car and roared off. I changed my route to go the opposite direction.

While I very rarely had any issues on my commute, I did have a mental note of “safe zones” or escape routes. Had to dive into a park once when a guy kept trying to cut me up.

and the few people I have discussed their poor overtaking with just didn’t see what the problem was.

Driver : I gave you plenty of room

Me : Yeah, but the car coming towards you had to make an emergency stop, as did you, and so did I. How is that safe?

I’ve had this actual conversation more than once in the last year.

This sort of thing happened near to where I live – couple of ‘villages away’.  Village 1’s ‘lovely young lad’ just happened to rob the wrong person’s motorbike from Village 2 (another bad lad).  Village 2’s person chases after them (in car), finally catches up and rams ‘lovely lad’ from Village 1 off his bike.   Village 1 lad ends up dead.

Then happens some fights etc between gangs in Village 1 and Village 2.   Turns out ‘lovely lad’ from Village 1 was a proper ‘wrong un’ and had been involved in the manslaughter of a restaurant owner in Village 3 (robbed restaurant owners car and drove over him).

You’ll probably find there is a back story.  So two ‘wrong uns’ off the street, one dead, one locked up. Call that a win.

Everyone has the right to be a prat

Apparently it’s the driver of the car who’s a ‘prat’ 🙄

You’ll probably find there is a back story.  So two ‘wrong uns’ off the street, one dead, one locked up. Call that a win.

There’s a lot of baseless assumptions here. Have a word with yourselves, you two, celebrating this guy’s death and equating hs behaviour with that of the driver. Seriously. Pretty sure there’s better ways to get people off the streets if they annoy you that much by showboating at 11.30pm than by chasing them down and killing them.

Remind me never to pull a wheelie near you two!

Not really relevant to the rest of this post, but I’ve had a look at the area on Google maps, it’s a 2 minute drive (half a mile) by the shortest possible route from Coventry St (where they first noticed the car) to the corner of Vera Road & Moat Lane (where the collision happened).

Fair enough – so why the “win win” comment? Should it not be “lose win”?

Edit.  Comment removed as the post I was commenting on has rightly been removed.

There are some utter **** out there aren’t there. The man from the OP needs locking up for a long time.

I’ve had a couple of confrontations with idiotic, angry drivers in my time. Most memorable one involved my bike being thrown at a particularly angry man. It was great as he clearly figured a cyclist was an easy target to pick on.  He’d barely got out of his van before I’d picked up my bike and launched it at him. Made quite the mess of his van and it was comical (at least from my POV) and hopefully made the **** think twice about trying to bully a more vulnerable road user.

Sometimes you’ve got to get your retaliation in first if you can tell things are going to go sideways. Never understood the countless YouTube videos where people stay on their bike whilst things escalate. Get off it!

I’m old and more chilled out now. Tend to ignore most people and avoid riding on roads wherever possible.

As someone who was chased down, rammed and then punched, I would say there’s a very small minority of drivers out there who I don’t care to meet again.

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He got a year sentence.

He was released after 6 months.

A week after his release he beat someone up in a nightclub and went at the police officers trying to intervene.

Sauron riders ?

Sauron riders ?

Yep. It’s an electric mordorcycle.

Love a one sided online article. No mention of if the victim was wearing a helmet, or a high Viz like when they report cycling accident.
Or if it was a road legal vehicle, which I would bet real money that it wasn’t.
So sauron riders riding illegal vehicles in contravention to the road traffic act, probably with no insurance , no MOT , no rfl , no lids. Probably riding like twonks at excessive speed , doing wheelies , maybe other associated arse hattery like standing on the saddle whilst wheelying, annoys legit road user who takes umbrage to this type of things and chases our unfortunate victims ramming them to death

Singletrackmind – did you mean that to come across as condoning intentionally targeting and killing another road user because they break the law?

I’m concerned that the manslaughter plea might stick given the world as it is currently.

The backdrop to this being the culture warriors spending this last week demanding special new bicycle specific offences to charge us ‘lycra louts’ with.

Love a one sided online article. No mention of if the victim was wearing a helmet, or a high Viz like when they report cycling accident.
Or if it was a road legal vehicle, which I would bet real money that it wasn’t.
So sauron riders riding illegal vehicles in contravention to the road traffic act, probably with no insurance , no MOT , no rfl , no lids. Probably riding like twonks at excessive speed , doing wheelies , maybe other associated arse hattery like standing on the saddle whilst wheelying, annoys legit road user who takes umbrage to this type of things and chases our unfortunate victims ramming them to death

Wow…

No .
Just the one sided bit of journalism.
Not condoning vigilantes in any way .
Turn the story around.
Electric motorcycle rider kills old lady / young child.
Then the article would probably include all of the above , plus possibly the words drug dealers , county lines , criminal acts , above the law , hooligans, reckless behaviour etc .
In this case we don’t really know what happened. Could be a drug deal gone sour.

The fact the biker didn’t hurt anyone and ended up a victim is timing . He happened to be on that stretch of road, at the same time as the other guy. Who might have had a bad day , been in an altercation before , who knows. The ensuing chase and ramming is however not acceptable behaviour and was a really really stupid thing to do. Surprised he managed to find , lose , re- find and ram a sauron .the police don’t seem able to do it.
Knew this would come across as victim blaming
After the fact everyone is a lovely , friendly , hardworking, happy go lucky fella with a good heart who loves their mam.

The fact the biker didn’t hurt anyone and ended up a victim is timing.

You came to that conclusion from reading the linked article? That’s quite a leap!

It doesn’t seem to be “one sided journalism” to me, they are reporting a court case, why do you want them to add stuff which wasn’t included in the court hearing? Why do you want them to suggest that the accused “might have had a bad day”?

The suggestion that the accused was wound up by alleged showboating is simply a motive which the prosecution are asking the jury to consider based on CCTV footage of the pair of cyclists doing wheelies.

There presumably was a motive although there was no interaction between the defendant and the victim. The defendant is accused of dragging the bike under his car for several meters before driving off and leaving his victim to die.

Surprised he managed to find , lose , re- find and ram a sauron

Just to recalibrate some terminology which seems to have gone awry throughout this thread.

Surron = electric motorcycle often used in an anti social manner

Sauron = Mairon, Annatar, The Dark Lord, The Necromancer, Lord of the Rings

Just to recalibrate some terminology which seems to have gone awry throughout this thread.

Whenever I see this I’m never sure if it’s a genuine mistake or deliberate, to imply ‘evil’ etc.

Yep. It’s an electric mordorcycle.

👏👏🎩  This needs more attention 😂

Yes , your right.
In court you can’t really rely on what might have happened , just the known , provable facts.
Move away from these and into supposition is likely to diminish any prosecution case and might lead to a reduction in offence , reduced sentence or the case being dismissed

No .
Just the one sided bit of journalism.
Not condoning vigilantes in any way .
Turn the story around.

Thing is the DM reporting was pretty vanilla by their typical standards, which is what tends to happen when a partisan rag has to report on something that cuts against their typical narrative. They mostly seemed to be relating the available facts not wildly speculating about people standing on Surron seats etc (I don’t recall seeing that stated in the article).

I kind of feel like calling someone who deliberately mows another person down with their car a “legit Road user” is a bit of a stretch. No matter how bruised his ego might be by dickheads doing wheelies, He wasn’t living in ‘GTA-Brum’ in real life you don’t run people over on purpose (ideally not by accident either).

So your comments are not really adding balance to the reporting, it seems like you’re just making shit up to fit a personal narrative that isn’t currently supported by the available information. you might turn out to be totally correct and the victim was a horrible Scrote knicking purses from Grannys on a Surron, but even then I’m still not sure he deserved to get bounced off a Seat bonnet into a concrete bollard.

Ok I’ll try to only post links in the Guardian about whatever currently occupies Saint Greta or Saint Gary to try and not antagonise the open minded, non-judgemental socialists among us

(*) obvs not

but even then I’m still not sure he deserved to get bounced off a Seat bonnet into a concrete bollard.

Yup. I find the videos of police knocking them off amusing but thats well trained people doing it in a controlled and safe(ish) manner.

Unless the vigilante is protecting someone else being actively attacked (like a case not so long ago where a driver tried to run over a dog which was attacking someone) then instead of having one potential criminal there are now two.

When did he become a “Vigilante” exactly?
Again, the DM Article mostly suggested an angry prick going off the deep end because he got wheelie envy.
I’m not sure we’re dealing with the Dark knight here, more like the toe-cutter…

Don’t get me wrong here, I’m no Fan of Surrons, Chipped E-bikes or Deliverooists relying on Gaffa taped laptop batteries and Karma rather than brakes or looking.
But None of these people deserve hunting down and running over, however entertaining the divorced Dads club find it…