NI bonfires WTF

Johnson and frost with their attitude to the NI protocol are literally pouring fuel onto the fire – and appear to be too dim to recognise it.

Oh they recognise it alright. They’re deliberately fuelling it to try and use it as leverage in negotiations with the EU

The utter utter ****s!!!

The consequences of Boris Johnson’s careless Brexit are playing out in Belfast

Yup, so what has any of that to do with the bonfires ?

Cause if you think a peace process or a protocol will stop this you’re deluded. And blaming brexit ! well !.

Oh, I’ve spent enough time in NI during ‘the troubles’ and after the GFA to know nothing will stop it. Bell-ends be bell-ending,

But surely this is the first time we’ve got a government who are quite happy to actively and cynically egg it on as it suits their present (Brexit) agenda?

Blaming brexit is pretty awesome mind.

I never blamed Brexit so remove that rod from your arse, these fires are partly or wholly funded from where exactly?……think carefully about this one now…………… that’s right – it’s unionist parties and various paramilitary factions.

My closest mate is from ballymena and his family/ancestors have lived/still live in the area for 5 generations, he had the sense to get out in the late 80’s after experiencing first hand the brutality of division, being made to watch his friends get shot in the back of the knee, others get dragged behind a car through the town and fair number of other situations (someone will get the inference). So when it comes to NI goings on I think I will listen to him and his family who still live in the area rather than a gob on stw

It’s not an EU flag at the top though it’s the starry plough. Which has a much more Irish republican meaning.

@somafunk

lol wind your neck in you fud.

You absolutely blamed brexit claiming it was brexit money that was paying for the bonfires.

Oh and patronising is for dicks.

No, I inferred that money allocated to unionist political parties has been used to fund these “celebrations”, that money comes from where exactly?

Co Kerry and Cork, fills up wth with nationalists during mid July. Talking to them they simply didn’t want to be in the North during the marching season.

all that Brexit money given to the unionists to keep them on side is ironically going up in smoke

Meh.
Whatever makes you feel superior.

So, has someone done any fact checking on this story?

(I’m not suggesting it isn’t true, but curious whether this happened in previous years but this one’s got a little bit bigger than previous bonfires so is now “newsworthy”…)

fact checking bonfires in the 06? 😆 yes, they are a fact, every year. 😆

You get republican bonfires too, no just unionist ones. though the unionists do like the ridiculous big yins more than most it seems. 😆

Yup they are (sadly) a fact.

Well, my ask was have they been as big (or a similar size) as the one in the photo in the OP?

the one in the photo is humongous. 😆

My mother was Irish – Eire, the Republic, the South…whatever.
She knew this for what it was – and still is.
The wife of one of my Eirann cousins is from Belfast; she and her husband both refuse to discuss any aspect of Irish politics; they successfully crossed the religious and sectarian divides, as have many others – but not enough.
I’m 100% with somafunk on this – as would be anyone with any connection to or having any real awareness of Irish politics.
There are no winners in this conflict.
Since partition, the real reasons for conflict have become increasingly obscured; that hasn’t changed – conflict and perceived insults/injustices/sleights passed down generation to generation.
Johnson and frost not recognising the rumbling discontent; if/when the NIA/NIP blows up it will be far worse than anything we saw in the 80’s.
There are many looking for a reason (excuse) to kick off.
STW writ large – pontificate about a subject of which you have no knowledge or direct experience.
God help us if the provos or any successor group gets wound up.

frankconway
it will be far worse than anything we saw in the 80’s.

doubt that tbh.

Yeah sounds a bit dramatic to me also.

Most people in NI are getting on with getting on with one another.

There’s a minority of bellends that claim to speak for the ‘community’ and prey on vulnerable, impressionable and deprived children to do their bidding.

Unionism is eating itself right now.

Some of the bonfires might be a touch bigger this year as they were largely called off last year.

More time to collect pallets, tyres, tricolors etc

The Northern Ireland peace process / protocol has been sacrificed on the bonfire of Brexit.

I’ll get me coat…..

We all have our views; time will tell but I am deeply pessimistic.

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Most striking is the utter delusion of the person who installed solar panels whilst living in Northern Ireland

The burning resentments and unpalatable logistics of identity politics.

The burning resentments and unpalatable logistics of identity politics.

Good, but not as funny as the giant hedgehog reply 😉

I wonder what all these unionists are compensating for? 😁

I’m amazed people aren’t killed by these

(also Isn’t this year the postponed orange order centenary?)

There’s no doubt Brexit has left many unionists feeling left out of the UK and they are pissed (brads your in denial if you think this isn’t happening)
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/loyalists-write-to-pm-withdrawing-support-for-good-friday-agreement-40156858.html

Johnson has signed us up to a deal that pushes NI further out of UK and into EU jurisdiction, now they’ll have to demonstrate even harder how British they are, so bigger bonfire, bigger celebration of Protestantism beating Catholicism

EU wisely granted UK another extension on checks over the summer bonfire & matching season for this reason.
I’m not sure what will have when hardcore Loyalists realises NIP is here to stay

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/belfast-bonfire-dismantled-in-darkness-due-to-safety-fears-40613639.html

Found whilst reading Kimbers link

Thanks MCTD, I missed that, very good. I was talking to a builder out there during the troubles (double security front door/porch etc) and he explained although he was having to pay tributes to both sides, it was tax deductible!

It has a safety fence around the bottom so pretty sure it’ll be fine.

That’s a shame. “Bellend Bigots on a bloody big Brexity BBQ” would have been a great documentary

There are no winners in this conflict.

I expect organised crime does pretty well…

Johnson and frost with their attitude to the NI protocol are literally pouring fuel onto the fire – and appear to be too dim to recognise it.

The DUP architects of the re-unification of the island, just too dim to take in that the electorate voted to remain and have backed the wrong horse.

Common sense has prevailed

I bet it would have been spectacular to watch it go up, but if it fell over on your house, not so amazing

If you read the article, the bonfire in the pictures is not the one that has been dismantled.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/belfast-bonfire-dismantled-in-darkness-due-to-safety-fears-40613639.html

Found whilst reading Kimbers link

FYI, that’s a different bonfire that’s been dismantled – the article is somewhat misleading in that it shows a picture of the bonfire in Larne but is reporting on the dismantling of one in Bloomfield in Belfast. The article does mention at the bottom that the picture is from Larne.

Can anyone explain what would happen if we just told NI to be independent. Then they could re-join the EU or Ireland depending on a referendum (we all know they work well in deciding big issues).

Would that improve things or make them worse ?

Are they destined to be divided by generational old views ?

Can anyone explain what would happen if we just told NI to be independent.

They’re getting ready for all those bangers.

You’ll be able to toast bangers from the Isle of Man when that thing is lit..

Unionism is eating itself right now.

Democratic elements are. What a minority of people turn to because of that is the worry.

Can anyone explain what would happen if we just told NI to be independent. Then they could re-join the EU or Ireland depending on a referendum (we all know they work well in deciding big issues).

Would that improve things or make them worse ?

Are they destined to be divided by generational old views ?

I suspect this is the sort of thinking that led to the NI protocol in the first place. The UK put soldiers on the streets of NI for decades. We fought to retain NI. A significant proportion of the people in NI believe really strongly in the Union and want to be part of the Union. The UK has spent 100 yrs fanning that sentiment. We came to a settlement that was working fairly well for all involved – then 23 yrs later essentially want to ignore that agreement.

This is not as simple as just saying “off you toddle on your own then”. In general, people who do not want to be part of a United Ireland don’t want independence they want to be part of the UK, with the Queen as head of state, no role for the catholic church in the machinery of state, etc. many of them have fought for it, some have lost their lives for it etc. They would see themselves being sold down the river, for a situation which is less of what they want and almost certainly closer ties to Dublin (and I think any sensible observer would expect eventual unification).

This is not just a “NI” problem – UK governments have contributed to the division there for decades and a lack of understanding of the issues has lead the UK government, and frankly, voters in the rest of the UK to create the mess that exists in NI with Brexit.

Brexit isn’t the cause of this stuff (obviously), but it sure isn’t helping.

Incidentally, who lives in a world where there is only one reason behind everything that occurs?