Aimed ir35 dodgers who buy a disco comercial, then send it to have leather seats and electric windows installed because the tax breaks make it cheaper than buying the normal one.
Some impressive tech on these, but it worries me about long term durability.
Good friends of mine have a 2 year old RR Sport that has broken down for the 5th time (simply stops running while moving) – it’s been handed back to the dealers as unfit for purpose and won’t be returning.
This is the third person I know in the last 12 months that has handed their RR back early because of poor reliability.
If they can’t make a £100k car reliable then I’d not hold out much hope for the ‘cheaper’ versions.
Don’t you (didn’t someone) have to sign an NDA before pre-production stuff turns up 🙂
Good friends of mine have a 2 year old RR Sport that has broken down for the 5th time (simply stops running while moving)
The reliability surveys show RR is a dismal light – most other manufacturers common faults as reported by owners are ‘A light comes on – you have to get to the garage in limp home mode – costs a few hundred to get you back on the road’. With RR a typical breakdown as reported by owners is “It stops and refuses to move. You have to wait for a tow truck. It cost £3k to get it back.
I saw a new Defender driving down the M5 near Gloucester early (7.30 am) yesterday morning. Presumably one of the development cars? Was undisguised. The main impression was that it was quite big compared to the old defender.
Poor reliability, model proliferation, poor value for money, dubious environmental footprint. I wish them every success but fear the worse. My first car was a Defender and I have owned 6 90s and 110s over the years. I loved every single one despite their many faults because of the ‘character’ of them. I would be slightly less forgiving of this one. I do understand the need to keep the iconic name alive, but this bears very little resemblance to the Defender and meets a different market need. Maybe I am just getting a bit jaded but the brand is starting to lose its appeal given all of the above points. Shame, but time does seem to be beating them. I can’t think of a single person I know that owns any of their products that would buy one again due to reliability alone, let alone everything else.
It’s built on the same line as discovery and range rover so is essentially the same platform.
They were never going to make a rough and ready work truck again, they aren’t set up production wise for that and can make fatter profit margins on this.
Like the “new mini” and “new beetle” it’s a completely different car trading on whimsical legend and history.
Cheap Japanese pickups have the world market for rough and ready work trucks. There is little margin in these really especially if you need to build a new line for it.
The Ineos Grenadier if it ever appears will be an expensive rough and ready work truck, I doubt there is much market for those – Toyota don’t sell their Landcruiser pickup variations in europe.
The Santana PS10 then called Iveco Massif never did particularly well and that was a Land Rover derivative.
But if I was Iveco I’d be looking to punt on the rights to the Massif to Ineos……
I have always quite fancied a L.Rover and my neighbour opposite me has a fairly new Disco. He has had a stand in disco on the drive at least 4 times since mid summer already whilst his has been in getting work done.
I find it staggering people pay such a large amount of money for something that fails to deliver the reliability of even a Dacia.
The Massif was crippled at birth: it was essentially a LR series III with some dubious bodywork. There was little surprise when FCA killed it and went down the rebadged L200 route.
I think there is a place for a high quality, high tech, extreme off-road-capable, true utility vehicle. merc seem to keep healthy waiting lists for the Unimog. I suspect what we’ll get though is a G-wagon AMG competitor with the reliability of a freelander 1.
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