More trauma for the non working classes

lifer i take it that binners suggests that i have no support or sympathy for people dealing with bereavement. so I take it that way and find it offensive.

where do you get that from binners, you dont half fill in some blanks

I’m filling in blanks? You appear to be two different people who are alternating every few posts, unaware what the other one just typed.

And for that reason, I’m out.

I havent ever suggested the unemployed are lazy or not trying to find work, you are suggesting that, I have tried to explaing how hard it is to find work and the efforts I have had to go through, you then suggest I am saying everyone is lazy etc.

But what I am saying is that it can only be down to you to get a job.

I’m sure the 1700+ people that applied for 8 new jobs at one Costa disagree. Link

You can apply for as many jobs as you like but when hundreds of others are going for the same job it’s down to a little more than just you.

I’m filling in blanks? You appear to be two different people who are alternating every few posts, unaware what the other one just typed.

And for that reason, I’m out.

+1

well best give up then it impossible to get a job clearly.

Sancho – Member
lifer i take it that binners suggests that i have no support or sympathy for people dealing with bereavement. so I take it that way and find it offensive.

You’re taking it wrong.

sancho– there are others in this world with experiences of hardship and woe, its not good to tell them to try harder– if you could see to it that i wasn’t blacklisted for most of my working life, i’m sure that might assist in me getting more opportunities– but really, it is not wise to foist your own experiences onto everyone else’s predicament…comprende ?

well best give up then it impossible to get a job clearly.

Well it is impossible for all of them as their are fewer jobs than people applying

it is not impossible to win the Tour de france but that does not mean I can do it.
etc

What I can’t get my head around is this. The tory attitude is that they are the uber mensch, the leaders, the drivers of the economic power house, and you are either one of them or an unter mensch, a pleb, cannon fodder, idle, good for nothing.

So it is a very small step from there to “we are in charge and you are irrelevant” from a tory perspective. So given that, where does this “it’s the workers fault” attitude come from? Personally, if I believed that I was one of the chosen people I’d be very embarrassed and keep very quiet while the shits hitting the fan as it is now.

Berm Bandit – Member
So given that, where does this “it’s the workers fault” attitude come from?

Years and years and years of people credulously swallowing it and repeating it and reinforcing it. Then using the completely unrepresentative stories in the tabloids (Philpott et al) as proof.

Berm Bandit – Member
So given that, where does this “it’s the workers fault” attitude come from?

Hang over from the years of union demonisation- jobs are lost due to the unreasonable demands, both financial and working practices, demanded by the workers via the unions which lead to the destruction of industry in these isles.

If it wasn’t for the saving grace of the Financial Industry in the Square Mile, and the resultant trickle down service industry job creation we’d all be on the dole.

I imagine it comes from the same half wits who think ‘it’s all the tories fault’

theocb – Member
I imagine it comes from the same half wits who think ‘it’s all the tories fault’

The people who think it’s all the workers fault also think it’s all the tories’ fault?

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

I imagine it comes from the same half wits who think ‘it’s all the tories fault’

Nah….. pretty sure its the half wits who think that

the saving grace is the Financial Industry in the Square Mile

…… or in fact that its actually in the square mile any longer, or even that its any form of saving grace for anyone apart from the very few self serving pricks who benefit from it.

EDIT: I hold shares in Lloyds TSB, and have personally lost substantially as a result of that, my penison fund is currently severely damaged as a result of the Financial Services industries malpractice, and as a stakeholder in GB plc, I dread to think what share of the umpteen billion used to bail said industry out is going to come from the sweat of my brow. So I’m not being flippant or dogamtic in the above response, merely truthful.

Nope. definately the half wits who think everything is the tories fault.

And yes Lifer the half wits also think ‘it’s all the workers fault’

Half wits don’t have to all have the same opinion you know.. there are half wits at both ends of the spectrum; never seems like we get much chatter from the middle on these threads though does it?

If it wasn’t for the saving grace of the Financial Industry in the Square Mile

So the financial industry is going to save us, is it?

Like when RBS, now state owned, provided the finance to Kraft, an American firm, for a leveraged buyout of Cadbury. Who on completion of the takeover close down the British manufacturing, moving it to Poland, and throwing all the British staff out of work

I’m guesssing here, but those ex-Cadbury employes probably wish the Financial Industry hadn’t so bravely ridden to their rescue

Once again, the tongue-in-cheekness of my post seems to have disappeared during typing. 😕

I thought we were playing Colin Murray’s ‘defend the indefensible’ 😉

It did allow me to illustrate the utter and complete madness of this countries financial sector. And somewhat unbelievable that some people, unfortunately the ones in power, seem to actually believe the statement you sarcastically made, despite all evidence to the contrary. Depressing

binners you mean the factory that in 2007 Cadbury (before being bought by Kraft) had confirmed would be closed by 2010.
Kraft then did what cadbury had planned to do in 2011, so your ill informed comments would make a forum reader like myself believe that all was well in Cadbury before the take over and as a result of bank intervention with Kraft with the takeover the fatory was closed.

never seems like we get much chatter from the middle on these threads though does it?

why thank you for ploughing the middle ground then and bringing a moment of sense and clarity to the debate by calling some folk half wits 😕
This whole page is obvious trolls are obvious tbh

Credit the nonworkingclasses with a bit more nouse please.
The “lazy” unemployed signed on the sick years ago,it pays better.

Sancho – you’re saying that British taxpayers providing funds to foreign companies to buy British firms is a good thing? It seems like the very definition of insanity to me!

And You think that’s the end of the redundancies, do you? The end of moving production offshore? I wish I shared your confidence. Because American multinationals don’t have much track record for that kind of thing, do they? Bearing in mind that the Kraft management were asked to provide guarantees at the time, but refused.

And where are the tax revenues now going? That were coming into the exchequer before?

Its complete madness!!

there you go filling in the blanks again.

No Binners I dont think any of the above

I merely pointed out how your previous comment was misleading.

but you do tend to fill in what you want to believe.

I dont like Kraft as an organisation or how they operate. Is it the end of the redundancies, I have heard that there is development planned for other parts of Cadbury, but I cant comment on how that will materialise in the future.
I dont like how companies can buy the debts of other companies to then call in that debt and effectiveyl bankrupt a company only to buy the bankrupt company as what happened to Clinton cards (I think)

do you know where the revenues are going?
are they posting a profit in the uk?
can you advise on this factually or will you make something up? 😉

We do seem to have veered off on a tangent here. I think i’ll leave it 😀

vinnyeh – Member
Once again, the tongue-in-cheekness of my post seems to have disappeared during typing.

I thought your use of ‘trickle down’ made it obvious it wasn’t serious, but there you go.

No problem Junkyard. Honesty is the best policy.

The trolls were so obvious that you needed to reply to them 🙄

vinnyeh – Member
Once again, the tongue-in-cheekness of my post seems to have disappeared during typing.

Over this least week I’ve been totally blown away by the blatantly obviously unacceptable and unsustainable Thatcherite rhetoric on here, and some from folk whose right wing roots I had mistakenly taken to be a jest. 😯
As a result I am currently reviewing the bar at which ironic and sarcastic has formerly been pitched, as I am guessing that these societal weevils are more widespread than I had formerly assumed.

Regrettably your post fell south of that currently fluid bar. Apologies. 😉

Says the man who is worried about his shares in a bank! Thatcher would have loved you. 😉

Says the man who is worried about his shares in a bank! Thatcher would have loved you.

WTF are you talking about? They were actually forced upon me by Thatchers policies. I’ve never owned shares in my life up until then, and knowing no better I chose to include them into my pension provisions….foolishly. So your point is caller? 😉 right back at yer

Half wits don’t have to all have the same opinion you know.. there are half wits at both ends of the spectrum; never seems like we get much chatter from the middle on these threads though does it?

you , i take it are from this mythical ‘middle’ of somewhere–wise and knowing,revelling in your wondrous wit 😯

I can imagine your fighting back saying no no I wont accept these shares and the policy saying take the damn shares i force them on you.

to which you had no way out and had to accept them. 😉

I wouldn’t be suprised if Kraft got an EU development grant to set up that factory in Poland.

I heard today that the son of Thatcher’s housing minister in office when ‘right to buy’ came in now has 40 ex council houses as part of his property portfolio!

Sancho – Member
I can imagine your fighting back saying no no I wont accept these shares and the policy saying take the damn shares i force them on you.

to which you had no way out and had to accept them.

Clearly you are psychic, and yes you are right, it was part of a sequence of events around the demutualisation of the Halifax, something I objected very strongly to, and still do, the loss of my job, and compensation paid to me by the demutualised shower of **** that they became. The details are none of your business, but suffice to say given the options accepting what was offered was the only realistic choice at the time. Unfortunately, I ended up thoroughly shafted anyway by the subsequent takeover by LloydsTSB and then the fall by 80 % of what I received to compensate for the previous malpractice, so ironically I would have been better off to stick to my principles and lose out in the first instance.

I was working at the Halifax just before they de mutualised. I wrote my thesis on the benefits of becoming a bank and concluded that only the top 1% of management would benefit. I still think I was right my boss didn’t like it and I left.

Apologies for dragging this thread back to the top again, but it provides good context and I’m kind of on topic. Shopping at Asda yesterday, they are replacing even more tills with self service lanes. Now I can understand how this makes sound business sense, but surely it is just a very visible example of what is going wrong in this labour economy? Constant cost savings by reducing, deskilling, outsourcing labour, less and less employment opportunities. It’s been happening since the industrial revolution, I guess… But what is the logical conclusion? It strikes me that we’ll end up only needing a tiny proportion of the population actually working, so what do we do with the rest of them? How can a human compete with a machine?

Were the Luddites right? Are we basically ****?

But what is the logical conclusion? It strikes me that we’ll end up only needing a tiny proportion of the population actually working, so what do we do with the rest of them?

One of the greatest lies ever told was the one told when the successful development of the “silicon chip” was announced to the public. People were told to much fanfare that this new earth-shattering technological breakthrough would revolutionise their lives.

Tedious tasks would in future be preformed by machines freeing people to spend more time enjoying their lives. The new growth areas would be the leisure industries as they expanded and developed to deal with the new situation caused by people only needing to work 3 or 4 days per week.

Of course it resulted in no such and simply meant greater profits and a greater amount of people unemployed. In fact people are now expected to work even harder and for longer – despite the huge technological advances of recent decades.

So what happens if the present trend continues and more and more people are forced out of work by machines ? Well eventually the lack of wage earners will cause the markets to collapse, it isn’t sustainable. The world will then enter into a new era.

Well that’s depressing Ernie. Literally a bloody revolution. Or zombie apocalypse? I’ve shopped at Merry Hill so I know what that’s like…

What I can’t get my head around is this. The tory attitude is that they are the uber mensch, the leaders, the drivers of the economic power house, and you are either one of them or an unter mensch, a pleb, cannon fodder, idle, good for nothing.

IMO this is a cultural shift that came (this time) from the US, which is where first saw it personally in the early 90’s.

In the last company I worked for there was a ‘line’, above it you got above-inflation rises, bonuses and consequently senior Managers/Directors started to outstrip the old salary ‘ladder’. Whereas when I started working in the early 80’s these Managers were often no more than 50% better off than their most senior employee, by mid-2000’s I (for one) was earning twice what my No 2 got. And my boss was on twice my earnings.

Below it…, as lttle as was needed.