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Michelle ! Mone !
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3SpeederFull Member
crazy-legs
I think – even for the Tories – such a blatant “accumulation” of £60m is enough to raise eyebrows. If it had been £6m, they’d probably have applauded her for it but £60m is taking the piss, even by their standards of treachery and corruption.Exactly – I think if they’d been upfront about it and explained it as “we were trying to help and we built in a decent margin but still undercutting everyone else – just our overheads were very small” there’d be a lot less ire over this. As it is, especially with money going offshore, little tax being paid on it and the deny deny deny tactics of the last few years and they deserve every bit of heat they’re getting for it.
Also this “I don’t have the money, it’s held in trust” schtick isn’t fooling anyone. I don’t have a family trust but if I did, I’d certainly consider it “my” money. It’s like they’re on a different ****ing planet.
They’ll still walk away very much richer and with a very nice life once all this has blown over.
matt_outandaboutFull MemberIt’s like they’re on a different ****ing planet.
They are.
3tpbikerFree MemberPeople like this are greedy, opportunistic vermin, sociopaths who are a cancer on society..
1polyFree MemberWhy did the idiot Barrowman reveal the percentage profit they made? They could have been evasive or not answered. Almost comes across as bragging about it!!
One does not want one’s business colleagues to think one does business with poor margin – its important for investor relations that you sound like 30% is not especially good (which actually I’d agree with – if in the middle of a demand boom like the pandemic they couldn’t get 30% margin the business was shite or its management were stupid). The margin was not the scandal – it sounds scandalous to people who don’t know how profits work but be assured none of the other suppliers were working for less. The first scandal was the quality of the product which is a matter for the course. The next scandal is that they got VIP’d whilst other, probably better suppliers were getting stuck in bureaucracy. Then there’s the scandal that there was no track record or seemingly scrutiny of the vested interested (which is odd, because our company supplied stuff to the government that they came and begged for and we still had to jump through hoops on who everyone of the beneficial owners was!). But that would all have been forgiven if the product was useful.
Then comes the denial scandal which this interview was about. I am sure this happens because of internal belief amongst those close to the idiots. Same thing happened to Andrew. “I believe you. If everyone saw things from your perspective they would believe you too. Lets tell everyone our perspective.” Either these people have got fed up listening to the BS and think the world needs to know how our of touch their mates/boss is or they just worship them so much they can’t see when they are wrong. Having opened the Kimono, people who have zero interest in offshore tax, family trusts etc are now going “surely that can’t be right, I don’t do that with my money how do they get to do that with theirs” etc. You aren’t going to win the public over with those issues.
What confused me was the “protecting my family defence”. Can anyone here, without looking it up, remember any occasion when her family was in the media? I didn’t even know she has kids or if her parents are still alive? Does she really mean her husband (i.e. the beneficiary!) or that a relative will call her up and tell her to stop being a spoiled greedy ****? Best way to protect your family is not to do stupid shit!
3AndyFull MemberWhy did the idiot Barrowman reveal the percentage profit they made? They could have been evasive or not answered. Almost comes across as bragging about it!!
My take is that they are starting to feel a bit hot under the collar because the NCA investigation and Civil case might be picking up a bit, so this could be prep for whats going to come out by pushing back with the message “we will take you down with us”.
The ownership of medpro was always going to come out and now they have put it the public domain.
Egregious profiteering isnt a crime and along with the “we are not the real baddies here it was the people who awarded the contracts” it puts heat on Sunak, Gove etc to let this die of natural causes rather than pursue vigorously and push to be fully resourced before the General Election mid next year.
They might also be thinking a former DPP will know exactly how to go after them when in Govt
The “Baroness Mone and the PPE Scandal” film has only had 43k views so on to Kuensburg to up the anti a bit.
Further pressure on Sunak:
What is @RishiSunak talking about?
I was honest with the Cabinet Office, the Government and the NHS in my dealings with them.
They all knew about my involvement from the very beginning. https://t.co/GOtB2QN7Uu
— Lady Michelle Mone (@MichelleMone) December 18, 2023
scuttlerFull MemberWhy did the idiot Barrowman reveal the percentage profit they made?
Cos it’s harder for innumerate people to convert it to real money. He looked sheepish as **** when he delivered that particular snippet…
1binnersFull MemberThe next scandal is that they got VIP’d whilst other, probably better suppliers were getting stuck in bureaucracy.
This is the main issue. There are loads of stories of reputable PPE firms, with bags of experience who could have supplied it, but couldn’t get near a government contract. Meanwhile, as the ‘VIP lane’ was introduced, it seemed like all these (Tory) shysters piled in and well and truly buried their heads in the trough, with little regard to whether the PPE they were sourcing was useable or the contracts deliverable. It looked like a feeding frenzy for the disaster capitalists who now fund the party
Anyway… she’s having a pop at Gove now. Looks like she’s decided that she fancies taking them all down with her
Rats in a sack
BillMCFull MemberAnd no mention of Hancock and the ex-publican Alex Bourne who could suddenly conjure up £20m worth of vials.
martinhutchFull MemberNo longer a Conservative peer, or indeed a member of the party now, reportedly. Don’t know who dumped who though.
3matt_outandaboutFull MemberSeems that the lawyer who brought down Zahawi thinks they just admitted criminal activity on the BBC interview. Worth reading the thread to the end.
3SpeederFull Memberinners
This is the main issue. There are loads of stories of reputable PPE firms, with bags of experience who could have supplied it, but couldn’t get near a government contract.I’m sure those other reputable PPE firms have UK employees, PAYE, Corporation Tax, rent and other bills to pay, all of which help UK Plc. These parasites trousered the lot.
13BoardinBobFull MemberI think someone mentioned it earlier, but many of us no doubt have to do our annual mandatory compliance/anti-corruption training at work, and the dodgy scenario you have to answer questions on is remarkably like the thing that’s happened here with dodgy “VIP” treatment based on status.
The training scenarios at my work are almost always some unnamed corrupt South/Central American country, but we really are top of the league nowadays for absolute government corruption
10winstonFree MemberWhilst she and her odious husband are clearly the lowest of the low, and will now be chased around the castle by wolves various it is important to remember that they are a symptom (to be eradicated rightly enough) but not the cause.
Don’t be distracted
The current Tory party is the disease
4kimbersFull Memberooops
quick question.. how did Lord Bethell access this message? pic.twitter.com/jyws8o4dfq
— Ava-Santina (@AvaSantina) December 18, 2023
2MoreCashThanDashFull Membermany of us no doubt have to do our annual mandatory compliance/anti-corruption training at work
The civil service are very hot on this sort of thing…..
3binnersFull Memberbut we really are top of the league nowadays for absolute government corruption
It sends out quite a message when a totally discredited politician who was not only proven to be corrupt to the core, but probably a threat to national security to boot, is made a Lord so he can then be appointed Foreign Secretary
bailsFull Member?This year, Michelle Mone put The National on 'legal notice' – but you'd never guess why.
We're revealing the full details of what happened ? pic.twitter.com/OQnRSrZTFH
— The National (@ScotNational) December 18, 2023
3multi21Free Memberkimbers
Full Memberooops
This whole thing about whatsapp is a scandal in its own right. How the **** are they using whatsapp, run by a third party, no security guarantees, apparently no centralised device management/backup etc.
They should be using Wire or similar and the devices should be locked down to ****. Aside from this perverting the course of justice which is clearly occurring, it is a national security risk if the devices are lost.
matt_outandaboutFull Memberooops
Is that evidence of perjury?
Edit: seems the lead rat is fighting real hard, and is happy to call out Lord Bethall.
Of course, I hope that the favour is now returned…
DickyboyFull MemberThis whole thing about whatsapp is a scandal in its own right.
Too right, when I first heard they were using WhatsApp for gov business, especially when there are all sorts of rules regarding email use, I thought it didn’t seem at all right given that it relies solely on mobile devices not being “lost” or “accidentally” wiped. Bunch of total shysters 😡
2dissonanceFull MemberOf course, I hope that the favour is now returned…
Ah happy days.
The rats arent only deserting the sinking ship but shoving each other in the water in their haste to get down the hawser.1johnjn2000Full MemberThis sort of thing on a smaller financial level goes on everywhere. I asked a well known investigative jorno publication to look into my local council leader as there is some juicy shizzle to be had there, the response was “As you can imagine we have limited resources and need to focus on the higher profile investigations” While I fully understand the situation behind the response it sends a very sour message. Local politics, planning permissions, jobs for friends (despte having a CCJ) are small fry compared with all the other corruption that surrounds us, but if this smaller stuff was exposed and snuffed out then maybe it would make the corrupt fu…ers who then climb the greasy pole, think twice about doing at such a level as the Mone.
It’s a sad state of affairs, it really is.
inthebordersFree MemberThis whole thing about whatsapp is a scandal in its own right. How the **** are they using whatsapp, run by a third party, no security guarantees, apparently no centralised device management/backup etc.
Because they’re untrustworthy and not fit to govern a modern democracy – lucky then that we’re not a modern democracy any more.
3dissonanceFull MemberThis sort of thing on a smaller financial level goes on everywhere. I asked a well known investigative jorno publication to look into my local council leader as there is some juicy shizzle to be had there
Have you tried private eye?
2coconutFree Member£60m profit and he still looks like a Jakey in a Primark suit…
kelvinFull MemberHas anyone posted the Led by Donkeys video, where they found and renamed her yacht for her?
matt_outandaboutFull MemberSeems that the press are now digging. More than ever.
New report: another potentially criminal breach of the law by Douglas Barrowman – they failed to declare his ownership of their Belgravia house.
Quick thread:
— Dan Neidle (@DanNeidle) December 19, 2023
DelFull Membersubsequently reported by novara media that she paid 50k to make this go away. what a lovely ‘lady’
winstonFree MemberLady M (the yacht) as opposed to Lady M (the disgraced peer, serial liar and pandemic profiteer) has been up for sale since last year.
Almost like they realised the game was up for a while, that they had underestimated the journos pursuing them and that the optics of owning a MASSIVE YACHT were not going to play well in the end game.
1scuttlerFull MemberThrilled to see the legal gravy train ploughs on unabated despite it coming off the tracks two stations back down the line. (McKie below was one of Mone’s attack dogs first time around)
Contacted for comment this week, McKie did not respond directly but instead instructed his own lawyer to reply on his behalf. The lawyer said McKie could not comment on “what he was or was not told” without breaching his duty of confidentiality to his client.
PoopscoopFull MemberThe lawyer had to hire a lawyer to say he was really sorry? Pinky promise, sorry? 😆
2PoopscoopFull Member^^ I really hope I’m never in a position that requires Hyde to write about me! 😀
4winstonFree MemberIf she did Poops me old mucker, I’d be very surprised if she didn’t bang on about your caring nature and amusing way with words, plus your inability to be quite as good as Danny MaCaskill on two wheels whilst still enjoying yourself to the max.
PLEASE REMEMBER
This is not a normal state of affairs. We can overcome this. Things will get better.
I truly believe this.
Don’t accept.
dissonanceFull Member^^ I really hope I’m never in a position that requires Hyde to write about me!
I dunno. I mean if we take this case there are two key factors.
1)sixty million in the bank
2)a complete lack of conscience about that coming from profiteering during a pandemic.Since b is required for a I am not sure an newspaper article would be overly concerning. Its more the NCA which would concern me.
2oldnpastitFull MemberHonestly this seems completely blown out of proportion.
Yes, she stole from the taxpayers (us).
But probably the government would have just spent the money on something completely stupid, like shipping foreigners to far off African countries, or building a railway line to Manchester, or something equally pointless.
Far better to spend it on a giant in-your-face yacht, which will remind us of the benefits of hard work and fraud.
I think she’s saved us from having Rishi and Suella spend our money and should be congratulated, not hounded.
1binnersFull MemberA good point, well made.
Loved the Marina Hyde article
But look, let’s just get into technical terms for a second: Michelle is 5ft 9in of pure chaos, and watching Rishi Sunak whinnying feebly about “taking all these things incredibly seriously” tees up the spectacle of the prime minister and a number of other drippy male politicians further incensing this Category 5 “force of nature”, who will lash out all the way down on her well-earned fall from grace. Is that as good as taxpayers getting their money back? No. But I’ll watch.
I suspect she’s not going to go down alone and take the rap for this bunch of corrupt shysters. She’ll be taking them all with her. I bet Rishi is bricking it about what she’s going to come out with
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