Manchester's Police doing what the Met are scared of doing!

“find it hard to stomach that after 4 nights of rioting people will still expend effort trying to find examples of police brutality.”

We have had 4 nights of behavior that to my mind call for a direct and physical response from the police. The kettling, baton charges shield walls, mounted charges etc which were used with such enthusiasm against relatively peaceful demonstrators earlier would be wholly proportionate in the current riot situation .

But as TJ and others argue that is only one side of the coin we also need to understand and address the underlying causes otherwise the problem is only temporarily contained and will boil over again. Police use of excessive force and perceived racism is one of the underlying issues. Beating up some youths who have done nothing and then not arresting them does not help.

I am a nurse. I have worked alongside the police dealing with all sorts of unpleasant people. I got to hide behind a cop when it all kicked off – but that did mean I got to see police control and restraint done efficiently and legally.

I have cops in my family, I have cops amongst my friends. I hate to see cops use unnecessary violence as it adds to the troubles

Whilst I don’t necessarily agree with the Police’s actions in this instance it’s just a short piece of video that doesn’t tell the whole story. The fact that there is a Police helicopter overhead which has tracked them to that junction, I’m guessing they weren’t exactly “just riding bikes in hoodies”. If they were then the use of the ‘copter and waste of resources is a far bigger crime than that shown in the footage.

I’d even be as bold to suggest it was the ‘copter crew that directed the cops on the ground into position.

TJ fair enough – thats interesting, I have family who are cops, Dr’s and a friend who works in undercover customs, and they feel that there is a subset of society that only know to behave in a certain manner and will only do things when controlled in a certain manner. Its not right or good, but unfortunately a reflection of where we are.

Are those who are advocating a beating as the ultimate means of punishment for the looters saying that this is a greater detterant than proper legal recourse?

Personally I’d prefer a bit of beating for a new Rolex than a criminal record…

Winston hits the spot!

http://winstonsmith33.blogspot.com/

I’m coming across (here and in the papers) more comments along the lines of “I’m on the left, but…” or “I’m a Guardian reader, but…” about the commentor wanting comparitively vicious “justice” meted out to looters.

Is the worm turning?

TSY – The looters are openly laughing in the face of the law, there have been loads of them on the TV saying so what if I get caught its only a fine, a bit of a stay in prison. Its NOT a deterent.

So yes why not try force with force when quite clearly the legal system is no deterent. Or do we just let them keep smashing stuff up until they get bored of it and go home and read a good book?

hopefully some good will come from footage like this and make the scum think twice! they live by street rules where violence and fear keeps order!

there probably not even surprised or appalled at footage like this – this is how they role!

what happens when they don’t pay there layons to the dealers or shag the wrong girl….they get ****ted!

Great to see the ‘Pikey’ word used on page 4 by Camerone. Thanks you prej c*unt.

It must be frustrating being a policeman and watching yobs destroy what is possibly your home town and being able to do nothing about it because you’re hands have been tied. Because if you put one baton wrong you could end up in court with the yob smiling at you as you give your evidence to defend youself.

I bet sometimes they’re desperate to give what these degenerates really deserve…after all most law-abiding people are hiding in their homes too scared to go out. Surely someone needs to stamp this out and stop treating people who don’t care with kid gloves.

I for one have encountered youths who believe that law and order doesn’t apply to them…they ‘know’ noone can touch them…they ‘know’ that whatever they do the police can’t touch them. More often than not they ‘know’ they’ll get a caution.

*When I say ‘know’ I mean this is what they think as this has been their experience in th past.

It warms my cockles when I hear stories of communities striking back, such as the Bangladeshi and Turkish communities in London.

I hate these yobs…they aren’t desperate for jobs and to feel part of a community…they enjoy their lives of taking and not giving back.

A FB friend says he had a lovely day out at the zoo with his young daughter yesterday… in Belfast.

Oh! The ironing. 😕

inrat but back to the OP. Good on the Police, glad my taxes are going towards them, more of the same please

An alternative and quite possible scenario – said juvenille ‘victims’ had been tearing up the local area half the night, plod have been trying to apprehend them, the little misunderstood darlings hurl bricks and and other such like stuff seriously injuring one of the coppers, then jeer and ride off – you can easily see how the ‘restraint’ happened. Whether it’s right or if it was excessive isn’t for us to decide. The little thug got up without too much bother, I’d say he got off pretty lightly.

I do admire some people’s ability to see the good in everyone on here, however I can’t. Having had a kicking myself by a pissed up thug many years ago leaving me with stitches in my face kinda changes your thoughts on softly softly ( he got a caution despite having a long track record for it)

Anyone know where this was filmed BTW?

Behind the Aldi on Great Ancoats Street (Ducie Street area?)

Near the City Arms (Little Peter Street area?)

Or somewhere random in Salford?

Demonstration = good policing.

Rioting and risking peoples lives with arson and wanton violence- then ALL bets are off to restore order.

I don’t see any comparison or need to compare with Ian Tomlinson. That was a one-off demonstration not a struggle to return law and order in such a situation.

Well **** done.

good to see people uniting in these bad times to post pictures of omlettes and the two ronnies!

I do admire some people’s ability to see the good in everyone on here,

Its nothing to do with it – what the beaten youth was aor was not doing is irrelevant – I want the cops to act within the law and within their training. beating someone with a baton whilst on the ground who is not resisting or a threat is neither.

We know he is not a threat and they do not think he has a weapon as they let him get up on his own – its not a restraint – its just a beating

The little thug

So how do you know he is a little thug?

how do you know hes not (in that situation I think you have to assume he is)!

Not just omelettes and the Two Ronnies fella. Diana too:

I know nothing about the youth. It does amuse me the assumptions. Why do you have to assume he is?
All we know is what we see. He stopped when the cop came towards him, the cop beat him to the ground and continued to beat him on the ground then the cops allowed him to get up on his own.

Was he wearing a helmet??

beating someone with a baton whilst on the ground who is not resisting or a threat is neither.

Wah wah wah, boo, **** hoo!

Fact is, its a ‘king sight more effective at deterring people from rioting and looting than the existing criminal justice system!

TJ – the left has failed, the namby pamby apologist non-judgementalism has failed, some of us have said throughout that it would

Time to crack some heads together and restore order!

TJ, I’m not a Police Officer nor can I profess to know exactly what its like however it seems to be a very physical job with alot of risks and these officers were probably hungry, knackered, pissed off and trying to stop and regain control. What we can’t see is probably what happened- the baton was what was used and it could have been to his legs.

A few blows says to the others ‘they mean business bruda’s lets just get out of here/sod this’.

Or would you prefer flats set onfire and innocents burned to death when it escalates?

Personally I’d rather see thugs alittle bruised but learn that authority is on the streets.

http://rhysbaker.com/blog/images/20090903153213_crack-head.jpg

I do love this concept of summary street justice that plenty of people seem to be advocating. While I was travelling home last night on the ring road of our city a group of working class youth in sportswear were crossing the road as the lights were changing. An expensive car decided to speed up and aimed at the youth. This car was seriously close to running over some of these kids, they had to jump out of the way of this speeding car. Is this the attitude we should endorse? You’re in a group of over 5 people, dressed in sportswear and therefore you deserve my wrath cos you’re all scum! (Note – there has been no trouble in my city)

I’ve sympathy for people who demonstrate peacefully and heavy handed policing has no place here.

As soon as you start throwing bricks/rocks/bottles then setting fire to peoples homes you cross a very serious line. Then its force to halt risk to peoples lives.

Diana Dors, eh?

The… Management.

live by the sword die by the sword (for the record that’s the cheesiest thing I’ve ever posted – but I feel its necessary in these dark times)

There you go

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/you-can-all-relax-now-the-casuals-are-gonna-defend-us

TJ, why do you persist in using the term youth? That’s one of those ‘we don’t know the facts’ thingies… according to another thread the first looter to be convicted was 31…

v8 – they look like youths to me in the vid could be small men i suppose, could be children rare to see a group of grown men riding around on bikes in hoodies like that.

It is am assumptiontho