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  • DrP
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    Aspirin.

    DrP

    (ooh – controversial for those in the know….!!)

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    A multivitamin! Or is that cheating?

    Premier Icon cinnamon_girl
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    Hmmm, either glucosamine or vit D.

    Premier Icon footflaps
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    Read Ben Goldacre’s book, Bad Science. Quick summary: at best Vitamin supplements do no harm, at worst they shorten your life and increase the likelihood of getting cancer.

    Premier Icon franksinatra
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    It would be helpful if you put a reason against each one so I know why I should take it 😉

    Flappyfoot: Is Ben Goldache a Daily Mail journalist?

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    Vitamin D I reckon – but I’m not a doctor.

    Many people are deficient in Vitamin D – hard to get from your diet unless you eat a lot of oily fish and office jobs mean that many people don’t get enough sun.

    Deficiency is linked with many nasty things including MS.

    http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2010/09/17113234
    http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vitamins-minerals/Pages/Vitamin-D.aspx

    IHN
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    A piece of fruit

    [edit]because it’s good for you

    CaptJon
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    Premier Icon molgrips
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    Quick summary: at best Vitamin supplements do no harm

    Snot what I read, but that was a while ago.

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    Flappyfoot: Is Ben Goldache a Daily Mail journalist?

    Far from it, he’s a GP who spends his life debunking bad science, of which the Vitamin industry is a good example.

    http://www.badscience.net/

    Premier Icon franksinatra
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    I already east an apple, orange and banananana most days.

    Thanks so far!

    Premier Icon footflaps
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    It’s worth reading his book. Whilst there is evidence that Vitamins are good for you and deficiencies are bad (we’d all die for example if we got none). The evidence for supplements is much more controversial and in some cases pretty damning. His book is a really good read as he goes through all the trials you never read about e.g. a large anti-oxidant supplement trail they had to abandon when they found a statistical significant rise in cancer and death amongst the group taking the supplement rather than the placebo.

    IHN
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    A glass of red wine. Or not, depending on whether or not it’s good for you at the moment, I can’t keep up.

    A piece of dark chocolate. Or not (see above)

    Premier Icon Cougar
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    It’s worth reading his book.

    I think it should be mandatory reading before anyone is allowed loose on the Internet unsupervised.

    Premier Icon franksinatra
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    A glass of red wine. Or not, depending on whether or not it’s good for you at the moment, I can’t keep up

    Then you need this fabulous site

    Kill or cure

    Brilliant attempt to keep up with the latest Daily Mail definitive science on whether something is good or bad for you.

    (Wine will currently kill and cure you!)

    glupton1976
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    Ask your wife.

    Premier Icon footflaps
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    No one should ever be allowed in the internet unsupervised…..

    Premier Icon franksinatra
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    Ask your wife

    Good point

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    Right, I’m back from Google.

    Vitamin supplements – not a cure all, won’t prevent cancer, cure Alzheimer’s or make you live to 150. However they can be considered an insurance policy against deficiencies IF you are at risk, according to some, and therefore could help a bit with general health.

    Premier Icon brassneck
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    How about a good multivitamin ever couple of days or so?

    </fencesitting>

    Premier Icon footflaps
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    Did you find any peer reviewed papers describing double blind trials which showed a statistically significant improvement in general health from Vitamin Supplements? That would the minimum starting point.

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    Did you find any peer reviewed papers describing double blind trials which showed a statistically significant improvement in general health from Vitamin Supplements?

    Nope. Hence the wording of my post.

    However in my experience of reading (the abstracts of) proper scientific studies, they are never so generic as that. Measuring ‘general health’ would be nigh on impossible to the required standards.

    Premier Icon footflaps
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    Agreed. But there are peer reviewed studies showing that some supplements are bad for you eg the Anti-oxidant one, hence I’d not recommend taking a generic Vitamin supplement as a ‘general precaution’ and personally I stopped taking all supplements after reading Bad Science.

    Premier Icon Garry_Lager
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    Resveratrol is one of the most interesting supplements around – you could give that a go. Found to significantly prolong life AND cause weight loss in animal models – not bad eh? Found in the skin of grapes, and therefore red wine, but tends not to be very bioavailable. It can be bought as a supplement.

    The effects of resveratrol are hugely controversial, as you might expect otherwise we’d all be on it. Massive research effort underway over the past 5 years to establish the basis for its in vivo effects (and even just to replicate them). Still, it’s one of the more intriguing supplements on offer and interesting to read up on.

    IanMunro
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    Did you find any peer reviewed papers describing double blind trials which showed a statistically significant improvement in general health from Vitamin Supplements? That would the minimum starting point.

    It’s a starting point, rather than the starting point. I mean you won’t find any peer reviewed papers describing double blind trials which showed a statistically significant improvement in health from use of parachutes as a supplement to aid egress from an aircraft. Nevertheless people still persist in using them.

    But in answer to the OP.
    Crisps.
    Or maybe chocolate.
    Actually, scrap that, they’re staples.

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    No, definitely don’t eat staples.

    avdave2
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    I do take B12 and calcium but that’s because I eat a 99% vegan diet and travel a lot which means not eating as well as I do at home.

    Premier Icon franksinatra
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    My Dad always used to take one cod liver oil capsule a day thinking it would keep joints healthy. In his case, so far so good.

    If I wanted to take just one supplement a day to help keep me healthy, which one would be best?

    • Background:
    • Middle aged, slightly overweight but not obese (I know, not looking for a lecture though)
    • Fairly regular exercise
    • Diet okay, not great though and not always getting by 5 a day (but trying hard). Meat eater, very little alcohol, no smoking
    • No family history of any particular ailments or illness

    I’m not trying to keep any particular illness at bay, but there is room in my life for one supplement a day, so trying to optimise this for best value!

    Ta

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    some supplements are bad for you

    Yes, I did read that, but it seemed to be large doses of specific vitamins – like loads of vit A for example (which we mostly knew) and vit E too which was at one point supposed to prevent cancer and now seems to cause it.

    Multivitamins mostly have 1/2 to 1/10 of your RDA of things, with the higher doses reserved for the things that don’t cause harm in large doese, so it seems to me that they’ve taken a very cautious approach in designing them.

    I stopped taking them every day when I started the iDiet, since I found I was eating tons of veg and plenty of legumes and eggs, smashing my 5 a day. I only have them now when I’ve had a couple of days of not eating well. There does SEEM to be a slight improvement in the general ‘meh’ ness that otherwise accompanies such days. I’m also quite convinced that they make it easier for me to get up in the morning – possibly related.

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    Multivitamins mostly have 1/2 to 1/10 of your RDA of things

    Happen to have a box of Boots “Complete Man” multivitamins on my desk (I was feeling a bit run down after doing some calorie restriction + exercise).

    Pretty broad spectrum of dosages, but many are 100% RDA or more.

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    Ok well I was going from memory, on Centrum ones. What are the high and low doses, out of interest?

    EDIT: interesting.. checked the Centrum site and some have way more than 100% for most things, and others not.. but the US and UK versions are different it seems, although the units are different so it’s hard to tell exactly how much. I tend to buy big bottles of them from the US since they are way cheaper.

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    Had my vit D tested and it was ‘very low’. Been taking a high dose supplement of 5,000iu for around 6 months, been tested again and now it’s ‘average’.

    I ride all year. Go figure!

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    What are the high and low doses, out of interest?

    Too many to be arsed typing out (amazingly they don’t have it on their website), but a select few :

    Highest:
    455% Thiamin (Vit B1)
    357% Riboflavin (Vit B2)
    214% Vit B6
    200% Vit B12
    167% Vit E
    150% Vit D

    Lowest:
    15% Calcium
    16% Magnesium
    25% Manganese
    25% Iron

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    I ride all year. Go figure!

    Wearing any suncream or sun-protective makeup?

    Premier Icon cinnamon_girl
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    Wearing any suncream or sun-protective makeup?

    Nope.

    jfletch
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    I think it should be mandatory reading before anyone is allowed loose on the Internet unsupervised.

    Great thread idea!

    loum
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    Flappyfoot: Is Ben Goldache a Daily Mail journalist?
    Far from it, he’s a GP who spends his life debunking bad science, of which the Vitamin industry is a good example. actually a journalist for the Guardian these days.

    Vastly different. 🙄
    One who uses his medical qualification to add emphasis to his writing, but without working or having worked as a GP .
    He also has a following that believes his book should be mandatory reading.

    Premier Icon Cougar
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    Vastly different.

    But not mutually exclusive, non?

    nealglover
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    Other than pointing out what paper he works for, and rolling your digital eyes.

    Do you disagree with anything Ben Goldacre says, and if so, why ?

    loum
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    But not mutually exclusive, non?

    Agreed.
    Even guardian journalists can have guest columns in other newspapers. Why not the daily mail?

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