Most veg are surely more nutritious than most fruit..?

What evidence do you have to support eating a lot of veg is a healthy way to ‘avoid’ eating fruit?

Doesn’t seem right in my book – and I’m sure plenty of scientists/nutritionists etc would also disagree. Hence interested in how you substantiate that. After all, your idea is that the iDave diet is a ‘way of eating’ as opposed to a fad/short-term plan.

I’m not dissing your diet BTW, it’s just that loads of us eat fruit because it’s just part of our diet. Yet if we have to drop this (and risk losing out on vital vitamins etc that can’t be picked up elsewhere), then surely this isn’t the healthiest option possible.

Look at the feedback for various high-protein/low-carb diets: no fruit = plenty of people struggle to accept it.

and risk losing out on vital vitamins etc that can’t be picked up elsewhere

Like what? (honest question – I don’t know)

I’m not dissing your diet BTW, it’s just that loads of us eat fruit because it’s just part of our diet. Yet if we have to drop this (and risk losing out on vital vitamins etc that can’t be picked up elsewhere), then surely this isn’t the healthiest option possible.

Look at the feedback for various high-protein/low-carb diets: no fruit = plenty of people struggle to accept it.

Why not just adopt the iDave diet, but eat fruit aswell? Thus creating your own diet. Best of both worlds and you get to eat how you want to.

Like what? (honest question – I don’t know)

I don’t know either. A Google seems to throw fruit AND veg into the same equation, as opposed to document why one is in any way ‘better’ than the other.

Why not just adopt the iDave diet, but eat fruit aswell? Thus creating your own diet. Best of both worlds and you get to eat how you want to.

Because avoiding fruit is said to be a key factor in managing insulin levels etc, hence end result being better weight management blah blah.

Therefore if one was to follow the diet but also eat fruit, then initial weight loss and subsequent management may well go out the window. Ergo, what’s the point in that?

Doing some of the iDave diet gives some of the effect. So even if you ate fruit you’d still get benefit.

I read somewhere that the really nutritious stuff is stuff that is seeds (ie legumes in this case) and brassicacae ie cabbage, broccoli. I suppose I’d add onions and garlic to that list too – those things are all packed with nutrients. Not much in oranges and apples beyond vitamin C is there? And despite all the fuss that’s easy as anything to get enough of.

Ben, drink plenty of water, don’t forget it’s not a low carb plan so plenty of beans

Wow! what a difference! I drank a huge amount of water yesterday (well over the top, so I thought) but what a difference to last night’s ride! 3 hours of full-on bean power! Brilliant!

Also, the rabbity droppings I’ve been producing have stopped. I’ve just had to contact the coastguard and inform them of the danger to shipping that I’ve just produced 😳

Arghhh! My iDave diet has now totaly fallen apart. I just absentmindedly ate half of the complementary coffee biscuit that came with my double espresso at the local tea rooms 😉

I’m not upset slugwash, I’m disappointed….

Lol 🙂

I had a cake yesterday as my pre-ride carb snack 😯

Actually in all fairness I’m finding it hard to carb up enough on beans and legumes alone. Last few weeks I’ve been really very weak on my commute by the end of the week. This week I’ve had more carbs around and during my rides and I feel ok now. Plus I’ve done more workouts this week too.

But are you still losing weight molly?

I need a plan that’ll help me drop a little bit more bodyfat but will allow me to train a bit harder.

How’s the experimental phase going Mr iDave?

Umm.. hard to tell as I had a blowout over easter weekend. I touched 85 before Easter, went up to 87 and am now reliably 85. A few weeks ago my face was looking quite hollow and drawn, a sign I’m under-hydrated and/or under-fuelled and/or exhausted, from experience. Now I am still 85 and I look fine. So I suspect I am still losing fat.

Seems to be a balancing act…

EDIT Thanks to DD for pointing out that typo. Now your post makes no sense 🙂

58? 😯

so can i snack on carrot sticks or what ?

Umm.. yes.

Molly… weigh in this morning… down to almost 75kg!

Good lad 🙂

58 pre-ride cakes is insania

Arghhh! My iDave diet has now totaly fallen apart. I just absentmindedly ate half of the complementary coffee biscuit that came with my double espresso at the local tea rooms

You’ll need to display a steelier resolve than that to ride Lustleigh Cleave at the weekend 😉

Been on the diet for about 3 weeks now. Dropped from about 75kg to about 71 – very happy!
However, I really struggled on my ride to work this morning and had to break open some haribos and biscuits at my desk – not ideal, but I’ve decided to call it a ‘Friday morning off’. Back to normal in time for lunch…

Nick

Molly is 2.9 kg today.

Oh, not that Molly.

Is marmalade allowed?

yes, you can have pots of marmalade, one day a week

molly can have it anytime

Mmmm…dreaming of marmalade 🙂

Bit of a slow in wieght loss this week, 2.5 lbs, compared to 5 last week still half a stone in two weeks aint bad?

That’s alarming, hugh! You must need a lot of new clothes? 🙂

No new clothes yet, the old tight ones fit better now though!

Hugh – I’m in a similar position – clothes that were really a little on the small side are now perfect! And I’ve dropped a hole or two on my belt!

nickb – were you carrying a bit of balast before?

*wonders if 71kg is attainable*

You need a bodyfat measurement, that’s what you need.

I’m working on the ‘how much can I pinch’ and ‘what belly looks like when I’m sat down’… I think I can get leaner

With my half a stone off i’m now 14st 4 lbs or 90.7kg (for any gay euro types) with 17.8% bodyfat, so a fair bit more to come hopefully?

Hugh… how are you getting your bodyfat %?

TSY – I was about 77-78kg (roughly 12st) – not hugely out of shape, but a definite belly and in need of dropping a few kilos.

I started doing a bit more exercise and generally eating better about 8 weeks ago – dropped to about 75 quite easily, but then stayed there.

Started the iDave regime about 3 weeks ago and now around 71kg, so all good. Aiming to get to 70 by the end of next week (roughly 11st) – so I’ll have dropped a stone in about 2 months.

For me, that will be enough – I’ll start eating cereal for breakfast again etc, but I have actually quite enjoyed the recent foods I’ve been eating – my chorizo, mushroom, tomato and spinach omelet was delicious! And the lentils/beans/stuff has been great.

Nick

nick, can i suggest when you reach target, keep the iBreakfast and change the other meals?

iDave – I really love my bowls of shredded wheat/muesli/fruit & fibre etc. I reckon I could do an iBreakfast 2-3 times a week, but probably cereal the other days.

Is it the cereal, or the milk that’s the main issue? I understand milk causes spikes in insulin, so is there something else (other than water) that I could take with cereal to help, albeit recognising it’s not part of the iDave plan?

Nick

TSY – sorry for the delay in replying been searching for Mummy Middleton porn!

I got a set of those Tanita scales a few years back when I was 17 st 7lbs and starting at wieghtwatchers (yes really) and they have seemed reasonably accurate? (well the fat % dropped as I lost wieght)

I did get down to 13st 5 lbs, but even with doing Le-jog, Trans Wales, 300k Audax rides, 12hr Time Trials etc the wieght had sneaked back up to 14st 11, the iDave has made me realise that carbs are Satan spawn!

I’m working on the ‘how much can I pinch’ and ‘what belly looks like when I’m sat down’… I think I can get leaner

You need to post some pics, even if it’s just of your torso 🙂

Hugh – the scales are ok for seeing trends, but then so is a mirror. They are bobbins for actual measurements.

the iDave has made me realise that white carbs are Satan spawn

FTFY. You need carbs.

Do I need to drop my 0% fat Actimel I take my supplements with in the morning (it’s not a problem I will just not buy any more when I finish with what I’ve got), I am intending to start the iDave Monday coming. I’ve lost 13 kg the last 12 months but want to loose the last bit and I seem to have plateaued (86kg-88kg), this seems just the ticket. (I’m 5’10 1/2″ sorry for metric/imperial mashing).