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  • don simon
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    260 quid per hour and 2-3 hours to write a letter. 😯
    Dan Brown could write a whole book in 2-3 hours!

    I’m in the wrong job!!!

    thomthumb
    Member

    you should do it if you think you can. I couldn’t.

    khani
    Member

    If you have a black cape, fangs and you suck the life out of other living creatures, then yes! It’s the job for you

    pixelmix
    Member

    260 quid per hour and 2-3 hours to write a letter

    I’ll rise to the troll…

    £260 per hour less staff (secretarial etc) costs, rent, heating, power and related overheads, professional membership, cost of several years of training.

    2-3 hours will also include time taking your instructions, any necessary research, and probably includes an hour allocated for listening to you warbling on about high fees. 😉

    HTH

    loddrik
    Member

    The wife works with them every day, she thinks most of them are ****

    don simon
    Member

    No troll, I’m just speechless.
    The letter will, I imagine be a pretty standard ‘you’ve been a naughty boy and we’re going to do this, so how do you respond?’ run of the mill letter. What do they have to research? They’re lawyers, they know the law and how to write it, no?

    pixelmix
    Member

    If it is a run of the mill letter, I’m sure you could find someone to do it for a lot less than £520-£780.

    Torminalis
    Member

    98% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.

    Premier Icon piedi di formaggio
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    I want to be a gas fitter based on the quote I got last week. £275 + VAT to disconnect a freestanding cooker and connect a new one. Unreal

    Premier Icon ourmaninthenorth
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    When I worked in private practice, I used to be charged to clients at £285 ph. That was a discounted rate.

    I worked 60-100 hours a week. Based on the lower figure, I earned £17 ph.

    Being a lawyer in a law firm is a *** job, and I’d never go back.

    Premier Icon Stoner
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    same as OMITN.

    Not a lawyer, but I was charged out to clients at around £200-250 ph. My salary before tax worked out at around £20ph. As a freelancer I charge my clients less than a half what they used to pay, but now it’s all mine, so I work 75% less hours instead. And my overheads are far, far lower since I dont end up giving the partnership equity holders massive bonuses anymore!

    cynic-al
    Member

    Lawyer ain’t getting paid his/her charge out rate – think 33% of that before tax.

    Partners get that themselves though plus 33% of what their team fees.

    LsD
    Member

    Naw, become a paedophile………..less training involved and ye’ll be slightly more popular in society.

    Premier Icon Woody
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    1/3 of £260 = £85+ p/hour

    I told my daughter to get a proper job but she always wanted to be a lawyer for some reason…………………………a well, there are worse things I suppose – she could be an estate agent 😉

    Premier Icon ourmaninthenorth
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    1/3 of £260 = £85+ p/hour

    No way. My figures above are a more accurate representation. That was when I was a six year qualified lawyer in one of the (non London) UK offices of a top 10 firm.

    Premier Icon Woody
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    ourman

    I know what my daughter earns and can only assume you earned that quite a while ago. She is in London and magic circle btw.

    xiphon
    Member

    Lawyers earn good money, yes… but the salary rockets when they become a partner in a firm.

    And I don’t want to be a web designer when a client tells me that someone else has quoted them £299 for a designed, built, managed, hosted and fully functioning e-comms site.

    🙁

    what’s black and white and looks good on a lawyer?

    a pit bull

    don simon
    Member

    The girl I spoke to was a partner and offered discount through the trainees dropping the hourly rate to 120 quid per hour.
    Best option to go for chaps?
    Partner for an outlay of close to 1k inc VAT
    Or a trainee/junior with a total of 500 quid?
    Advantages/disadvantages?

    pixelmix
    Member

    Trainee, on the basis that if they don’t know what they are doing, they will run it past the partner anyway.

    deadlydarcy
    Member

    It’ll just be downloaded from the web anyway.

    I’m more interested in what this letter might be about…. 😉

    Premier Icon Drac
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    Best thing is as a Lawyer you can get paid £85 per hour and spend most of your time on here.

    cynic-al
    Member

    what kind of law and firm?

    don simon
    Member

    Trainee, on the basis that if they don’t know what they are doing, they will run it past the partner anyway.

    She was quite open about this and said that she would give the letter the once over and, of course, charge me for the effort.

    Patience dd, you’ll get to read it soon enough… 😈

    Is that at me cynic-al?

    deadlydarcy
    Member

    you’ll get to read it soon enough

    Oi didn’t do nuffin’

    shooterman
    Member

    I work 60 – 70 hours per week as a lawyer. Until very recently my salary worked out at £9.61 gross per hour applying the lower figure.

    don simon
    Member

    I work 60 – 70 hours per week as a lawyer. Until very recently my salary worked out at £9.61 gross per hour applying the lower figure

    Yeah, yeah, yeah! I did some work in one of the more prestigious firms in Madrid, the trainees were worked like dogs for very little money in a highly competitive environment. The best woild go on to earn mega bucks and the rest do conveyencing. You know the game shooterman. 😉

    shooterman
    Member

    Nope. Not a trainee. Don’t do conveyancing. Handled two of the largest PI claims in the region last year.

    Just work in a region where £30 – £35k is the upper limit for an assistant. Desperately trying to persuade the wife to let me Monday to Friday in England.

    jhw
    Member

    Find out if the trainee is a first seater, second seater, third seater or fourth seater. World of difference between a first seater and a third seater. Only accept at least a third seater.

    cynic-al
    Member

    £18K pa WTF111

    d-s – yes.

    jon1973
    Member

    Q. What do you call 1,000 lawyers at the bottom of the sea?

    A. A good start.

    cynic-al
    Member

    Did you know that women can conceive through anal sex?

    That’s where lawyers come from!

    crankboy
    Member

    “I’m in the wrong job!!! “
    or very bad at hiring lawyers or very good at hiring lawyers but unwilling to pay for quality .

    My publicly funded work ranges between £46 and £69 per hour £52 per hour is the best available for night time or Xmas day . Or in exceptional VHCC work £100 per hour.

    For private clients we charge up to £160 per hour. I tend to quote £140 but actually bill at £130. I’ve 20 years experience and a full set of the relevant extra qualifications for my area.

    As mentioned above the hourly rate covers the cost of running the firm staff buildings paper computers books etc.

    Actual pay scales are pretty varied but you are looking at between 40 and 50 k per annum top end unless you take on the genuine risk of partnership . The country is full of law firms where the partners soldier on in debt can’t afford to retire and can’t find anyone to buy them out.

    crankboy
    Member

    How can you tell the difference between a dead dog in the road and a dead lawyer?

    There are tyre skid marks before you get to the dog.

    don simon
    Member

    cynic-al – Member

    what kind of law and firm?

    Intellectual property. Specialised and therefore expensive, I’m now looking a adjusting my hourly rate accordingly as I now have increased costs to cover. 😈

    shooterman
    Member

    I agree with Crankboy. There are a lot of people who desperately want out of the profession or at least out of private practice who cannot afford to do so.

    I feel sorry for a friend of mine…

    He studied Law at Reading University (2:1), took the LPC at the College of Law in Guildford (or is it BPC, one of them anyway) then applied to over 200 firms before being offered a training contract at a decent sized firm in Reading. His training contract coincided with the recession and they only kept one of his intake of 8 on at the end of it.
    He’s applied for all sorts of posts around the country since, but has had no luck and after 2 years has jacked it in.

    Now he’s trying to establish himself as a web designer, but is getting screwed over by clients who take forever and a day to pay him. 31 years old and living with his parents again in rural Dorset…not really the life he had envisaged.

    Legal Executives seem to be suffering to, they seem to be the first out of the door. Those ILEX exams take years to complete and then they find themselves earning just a few grand more than paralegals and legal secretaries.

    Pigface
    Member

    Don Simon are you an ex examiner?

    cynic-al
    Member

    I heard he’s a Bottom Inspector.

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