I have found a BREXIT benefit!!!

I know there is a thread asking for these but that is many, many pages without any actual benefits listed. So here is a BREXIT benefit.

They have stopped the sale or the Porsche Cayman, Boxster and Macan in Europe because of safety concerns but you can still buy them in the UK because we don’t have the safety legislation.

BREXIT BENEFIT – Reduced safety standards allow us to buy products that are deemed unsafe in other markets!

Not a benefit until the price here drops to reflect the fact that they can’t even give them away.

You know, if you squint, a Cayman looks a bit like a ford capri

Just sayin’ ?

Its about Cybersecurity and hacking attacks, lol… VW Up! and T6.1 as well.

A new law will come into force in the EU on 7 July 2024 that is intended to regulate cyber security in cars already on the market in order to make hacker attacks on vehicles more difficult. And if manufacturers or suppliers cannot prove that they already had a certified management system in place when the vehicles were being developed, there are really only two options.

Either the affected vehicle is brought up to the latest cyber security standard, or the model must be withdrawn from the programme. Furthermore, as the investment costs here can be extremely high, VW is not only taking the up! and the Transporter T6.1 out of the programme for good, but Porsche has also been forced to cut back and is removing the 718 Boxster, the 718 Cayman and the combustion-powered Macan from its programme, according to Tagesschau.

As it’s a UN and ISO initiative for the whole of Europe, not a purely EU one, I’d expect the same to apply here as soon as our legislature catches up with all the international commitments we’ve been skipping over because we’ve been too busy chasing our own tails.

Talking of cars, the EU, and our hard fought and won freedom, I saw the other day that new EU cars will be fitted with automatic speed limiters. Does anyone have any clue whether that will affect the Greatest of Britains?

I’d expect the same to apply here as soon as our legislature catches up

So stand down, we still are yet to find a Brexit benefit.

new EU cars will be fitted with automatic speed limiters

There was a piece on the radio the other day on this… the delay in introducing it is because they want/need it to be for all markets, including the UK. Oh, and they’ll have an off button… although that could be annoying to hit every drive if you don’t want the help to stay inside the speed limits. There was much discussion about how poor signage placement and signs being covered by foliage would make the systems proposed less effective in the UK… but then I suppose that goes for the normal human/manual ways of keeping your speed correct as well.

There was much discussion about poor signage and signs being covered by foliage would make the systems proposed less effective in the UK… but then I suppose that goes for the normal human/manual ways of keeping your speed correct as well.

Could be useful though – I just got a 57mph on an empty 50mph dual carriageway at 5:45am. Not rushing, simply eased off the throttle when the limit dropped from 7-mph but didn’t slow enough for the car on the bridge as I rounded the corner.

Oh, I’d use it as well. If I could afford a car with it fitted. I’ve been on enough speed awareness courses now, thanks.

Automatic speed limited will make Daily Mail readers FURIOUS, therefore I fully support it.

I think my Enyaq has that…sure it is an option for the speed limiter option…which I’ve not worked out how to activate yet!

Given the state of confusion of a Volvo xc40  over what the actual speed limit was (seemed to be based on a mixture of GPS & reading limit signs) I’d say auto speed restriction would be disastrous.

Slight derailment, but my 2005 Peugeot has a manually set-able speed limiter, not cruise control (it has that too), a but a real VNE setting.

It’s great, I set it to whatever the speed limit is and then no longer have to look down to check my speed.

Yeah, it does that, but it has an option to set the limit to the local speed limit, which sounds useful.

Slight derailment, but my 2005 Peugeot has a manually set-able speed limiter, not cruise control (it has that too), a but a real VNE setting.

It’s great, I set it to whatever the speed limit is and then no longer have to look down to check my speed.

Is it actually linked to the brakes?  At that age, I’d have my doubts.

Not the brakes, but to the accelerator and engine braking – so if I go from a 60 to a 50 and set it to 50 while still doing 60 the car will slow to 50 by not responding to accelerator pedal input. Once below 50 the car will hold 50 as long as the pedal postion is at or above that which is needed to hold 50, if I lift off entriely it’ll slow down below 50.

Slight derailment, but my 2005 Peugeot has a manually set-able speed limiter, not cruise control (it has that too), a but a real VNE setting.

It’s great, I set it to whatever the speed limit is and then no longer have to look down to check my speed.

Yeah my 08 Citroen has the same feature, I leave it set on 30 so I can actually adhere to the limits in town with marginally less effort. seems to drive maybe 1 in 8 people insane when following someone who is observing the actual speed limit (possibly ~2mph less? if anecdotes about speedo accuracy @30mph are to be believed).

It’s just a button press to turn it on/off so not a huge deal to “defeat”

I’m all for automatic limiters in new cars, anything that brings down average speeds on roads if a positive IMO…

But yeah, more dangerous cars for the UK, that was almost certainly a goal of those Brexit Libertarians…

Is it actually linked to the brakes? At that age, I’d have my doubts

On my 2011 Peugeot it’s simply a limit on the throttle, so it’s not rapid deceleration.  Can also “fail” if you accelerate hard up to the limit from quite far below (or there’s a sort of kickdown sensor if you really press your accelerator.  In general though I really like it for same reason as sobriety does – set upper limit and just drive.  Course, you have to manually reset for changes in limits but I can live with that

Slight derailment, but my 2005 Peugeot has a manually set-able speed limiter, not cruise control (it has that too), a but a real VNE setting.

It’s great, I set it to whatever the speed limit is and then no longer have to look down to check my speed.

I think you’ll find that every car with cruise control has a limit function as well, my 19-plate EcoSport has, and when I was driving for BCA I’m pretty sure every car I drove with cruise control had it. They might have a different icon or something, but it’s part of the same system.

I use it driving through extended road works, like that on the M4 between J10/11 Reading, I put it at 52mph, which is 50 according to my satnav, so I’m traveling just slightly faster than those who go by their speedometer. Cruise control is useless, because everyone’s system is slightly different, unless everyone has front sensors for collision avoidance, and signage recognition cameras behind the screen, which mine doesn’t have.

If every car with cruise control has it, why don’t people use it?? For me at least it makes driving a lot less hassle, and as said above, it’s literally a click of a button to turn it off.

Not every car with cruise control has a speed limiter – they use slightly different parts. I know this as my Puggy Partner has cruise control and the control has a limiter on it, but doesn’t work as the required wiring doesn’t exist, so I have cruise but not limiter although the control stalk has both.

They have stopped the sale or the Porsche Cayman, Boxster and Macan in Europe because of safety concerns but you can still buy them in the UK because we don’t have the safety legislation.

BREXIT BENEFIT – Reduced safety standards allow us to buy products that are deemed unsafe in other markets!

As said, but worth reiterating – the above is wholly untrue!

I’m not convinced the tech is good enough. Google sat nav often get confused as to what the speed limit is where roads cross on a bridge or run parallel to each other. One example we were on the A1 and it said the limit was 30 because it was close to a local road next tot the A1

I’ve been on enough speed awareness courses now, thanks.

Let me find my popcorn.

If every car with cruise control has it, why don’t people use it??

Because they don’t give a crap. That’s what this legislation is about – it’ll be the default behaviour and you will have to make a conscious decision to speed. Most people don’t make any conscious decisions at all when driving, so they won’t bother to turn it off.

I use my speed limiter (2014 Merc Vinao) in 50mph sections on the motorway. I find it works better than cruise control i those sections.

@kelvin If that’s the Guardian article I read that as currently any car with speed-limiting technology has an off button. From last Saturday that will no longer be an option as the technology needs to be live all the time. Our friends in the 6 Counties of Ulster will be the first to benefit from this advance as they have been lumped in with “The Free State” (to quote my FIL). We will probably get it as a “we can’t be bothered to make a special model for GB” decision from the manufacturers.

How long before a car achieves sentience and masacres the nearest humans as a safety step?

If every car with cruise control has it, why don’t people use it??

You expect people to actively choose to lock their car to below the speed limit?

*dying of laughter*

On a slightly related note (and possibly one for the disproportionately cross thread), have you not seen those bumper stickers along the lines of “I’d go faster, but I have a black box!” ?

Or in other words “If not for my black box, I’d be speeding” (therefore you’re exactly the right person who should have the box, duh)

I’m not convinced the tech is good enough. Google sat nav often get confused as to what the speed limit is where roads cross on a bridge or run parallel to each other. One example we were on the A1 and it said the limit was 30 because it was close to a local road next tot the A1

This. My mother’s car has speed limit recognition and it’s ALWAYS getting confused.

I have found one! I think it was mentioned on another thread somewhere – about being able to claim the tax back on purchases.

After 4 months  – we received our tax refund for a few items that we bought in Austria at the end of ski season Sales.

If that’s the Guardian article I read that as currently any car with speed-limiting technology has an off button. From last Saturday that will no longer be an option as the technology needs to be live all the time.

It was on Radio4. They might have described an override, rather than an actual “off button”, I don’t recall. I suspect that like many other driver assists, it’ll be on when you start the car, but can be turned off before you set off. Annoying enough that most people won’t bother and will leave it on.

Annoying enough that most people won’t bother and will leave it on.

I dont know, the number of semi literate gammons who proudly state they turn off their auto start-stop every drive suggest that they will dedicate an extra second to pressing a button while getting ready to pull away.

Just to go against the grain my V40 doesn’t have cruise control but does have a manual speed limiter, set it to whatever & it won’t go above that unless downhill when it will exceed the limit set..

They have stopped the sale or the Porsche Cayman, Boxster and Macan in Europe because of safety concerns but you can still buy them in the UK because we don’t have the safety legislation.

BREXIT BENEFIT – Reduced safety standards allow us to buy products that are deemed unsafe in other markets!

As said, but worth reiterating – the above is wholly untrue!

He is right, I am wrong. It is NOT a BREXIT benefit, just our last government being slow to fulfill UN obligations

Please close the thread 🙁

My MG4 has a speed limiter but it often picks up the speed signs on eg motorway slip roads so it thinks the limit is 50 even though I’m actually on a motorway. I leave it switched OFF.

Or in other words “If not for my black box, I’d be speeding” (therefore you’re exactly the right person who should have the box, duh)

Exactly my feelings.

Re EU speed “limiters”, from all the sources Ive seen, are actually speed reminders, where you car will try to stop accelerating when you hit the magic number, there may be variations between manufacturer but keep your foot planted to the floor and it should keep going above and beyond. So sod all use to stop racer types, but should help with accidental speeding, but doesnt go far enough IMO. Seen mixed reports on whether it can be disabled, either per trip or forever.

I’m not convinced the tech is good enough. Google sat nav often get confused as to what the speed limit is where roads cross on a bridge or run parallel to each other. One example we were on the A1 and it said the limit was 30 because it was close to a local road next tot the A1

The latest systems don’t rely on mapping/GPS – they simply read the road signs.  I recently had a courtesy car with it & even if it’s turned off you got a big flashing speed limit sign (showing the correct speed) in the middle of the dashboard.

A friend’s Cupra had a speed limiter that read the road signs but had a major issue as kept switching from MPH to KMH completely randomly, which made it interesting at times.

It was in the workshop for months afterwards as the software update trashed a load of safety measures, including abs, air bag controls and front radar.

He wasn’t happy and far preferred the Skoda he was loaned while they fixed it.

Today’s benefit is that we had to pay a vet £400 for her signature because none one in work have the right qualification to sign off some animal derived samples headed to Sweden.

In Germany you not only have to offer staff a lunch break, you have to ensure that they take it.

Keyboard loggers installed on their PCs – but not for us Brits.

This Brits can still skip lunchbreacks and be unproductive in the afternoon (Not sure about the Portuguese).

BREXIT benefit !