Gatwick, drones

Genuinely – I’m surprised we’ve not yet to drones used as a swarm weapon to bring down a commercial aircraft.

You can have the drone, I’ll have the gun.

There was an assassination attempt somewhere recently using a drone loaded with explosives wasn’t there? – Edit – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-45073385

A few moments ago a news reported was commenting on the number of people building up in the airport as people were arriving with flights not going out. Effectively the drone operators are carraling a large number of people into a relatively small space; an attack on the non-secure side of the airport could be devastating.

Hopefully they’ll catch the plonkers doing this (apparently they could face up to 5 years in prison).

I’m waiting for Craig Murray’s searingly hot take on this before commenting any further.

#tinfoilhat #falseflag #psyops #deepstate

Well that exactly how surface to air and air to air missiles work. They don’t aim to hit an aircraft, they explode in close proximity and the shrapnel causes the damage that brings the aircraft down, so in a way the shrapnel is acting like a drone swarm.

Bit of a stretch that. A guided to target, high velocity, highly concentrated, shaped charge of shrapnel is a long way from a group of drones hovering around hoping to get in the way of something

I smell the shady hand of Heathrow behind all of this ….

I smell the shady hand of Heathrow behind all of this ….

Is that the kid’s name from the judo thread?

or Vijay, soon to be deported King of Duty Free

10er on this being Russia trying out a new hybrid warfare technique.

Airline source tells BBC that flights to and from Gatwick Airport are currently cancelled until at least 7pm

Blimey. I bet every other major airport is reviewing it’s processes for this – as will national governments, this is strategic level transport infrastructure being disrupted.

Again, the engine is designed to withstand such an event safely, but if it happened to both engines, then you’re in trouble.

Don’t bigger planes have a propeller which is deployed from underneath, If i remember correctly its called the RAT and will allow 500 miles of flight.

The RAT provides emergency electrics and hydraulics, not engine power. It’s really just designed to help get the engines started again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_air_turbine
according to Wiki it gets you power for systems not propulsion, so I’ll let the pilots of STW comment further but it would get you control systems in the event of engine loss to try and do something about it

edit – like he just did

Blimey Singletrack, I know you need to monetise the shit out of every thing but advertising drones to potential terrorists?

Blimey. I bet every other major airport is reviewing it’s processes for this – as will national governments, this is strategic level transport infrastructure being disrupted.

What *do* you do about it? Fly another drone into it? Drop a net on it from a helicopter? Sniper with rubber bullet? Trained eagle? EMP? Kamikaze volunteer?

I want to know what Jeremy Corbyn’s doing about this? Obviously what’s needed is some effective opposition.

Jam the 2.4 or 5ghz radio frequencies or locally jam the GPS (this takes some serious hardware).

If it’s Russian military gear, then that might be harder. I would have thought they’d have brought that gear in by now, which makes me suspect that it’s a state player **** with us. Could be wrong, it’s just a hunch.

What *do* you do about it?

A question keeping a lot of people awake I’d think.

there’s all sorts of movement tracking tech available from ground based lazer/projectile weapons to other drones – issue is deploying it in and around built up areas. And knowign when and where to use it.

or locally jam the GPS

Can’t really do that at an airport as Planes use it for navigation….

Can’t really do that at an airport as Planes use it for navigation….

Are any aircraft still in pattern?

Easy enough to setup an airspace perimeter.

Jam the place for 24 hours, flood the entire area with coppers, don’t let anyone in or out and search everything and everyone.

I want to know what Jeremy Corbyn’s doing about this? Obviously what’s needed is some effective opposition.

Well, Andy MacDonald, Shadow Transport Secretary issued a statement that the government should introduce a drone exclusion zone around airports.

Someone needs to introduce him to The World Wide Interwebz…. https://www.caa.co.uk/consumers/unmanned-aircraft-and-drones/

Armed police are there now with what looks like shotguns to shoot the drones down with………………..

The RAT provides emergency electrics and hydraulics, not engine power. It’s really just designed to help get the engines started again

My bad, thought it was a back up engine. Did I miss the bit why the wont shoot them down? I get its something to do with stray bullets, but what to do with stray bullets? Surely if they missed the bullet would continue on its course and when it loses its battle against gravity it would fall to the floor?

or locally jam the GPS (this takes some serious hardware).

Really? I know that a few Italian ports used to do this in the 90’s. The GPS would show all zeros once you were within a few miles.

Really? I know that a few Italian ports used to do this in the 90’s. The GPS would show all zeros once you were within a few miles.

My understanding was that even commercial GPS had become harder to jam – but I’m not a signals engineer so have no idea really!

Theresa will keen to pin it on the Ruskies so that she can wrap herself in the flag and galvanise parliament to support her deal in the face of this unprecented attack from a hostile state.

My bad, thought it was a back up engine. Did I miss the bit why the wont shoot them down? I get its something to do with stray bullets, but what to do with stray bullets?

Depends where you and the drone are, if you are too far away then the angles mean a stray bullet could go any number of bad places.

To be fair, if she did – I don’t think the accusation would be out of the realms of possibility….this is a state that has used chemical weapons against a NATO state, **** with the heads of the US Cuban diplomatic teams using directed energy weapons and subverted democratic elections in the US and UK.

Russia is a bigger threat to the UK than ISIS.

My BIL is an officer on a T45 destroyer based in Portsmouth, it’s the air defence specialist one , I’ve been in the control room where they track all aircraft coming into UK airspace they’ve even got a hotline to Maybot to check if they are allowed to shoot down hijacked jets.
He’s staying over Xmas so will be giving him a grilling on this

I want to know what Jeremy Corbyn’s doing about this?

I have just seen a video clip where he is mouthing “stupid f’ing drones” but the tories are claiming he is a racist as he said “stupid foreign drones”

Actually, there’s an idea – you could probably use that T45 to fry the **** things. 😀

My understanding was that even commercial GPS had become harder to jam – but I’m not a signals engineer so have no idea really!

What is “commercial GPS”? There is no such thing. Unless you mean paid for differential correction signals, then that’s extremely easy to jam.

any number of bad places.

Crawley?

What is “commercial GPS”? There is no such thing. Unless you mean paid for differential correction signals, then that’s extremely easy to jam.

As in, not the military signal.

Crawley?

Well I laughed.

It’s probably some spaced-out teenagers flying it from their bedroom in Creepy Crawley.

Military now called in

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/20/gatwick-chaos-drones-cause-flights-cancelled-live-updates/

From the Guardians newsfeed
there have even been experiments training hawks and eagles to take out drones
Now that I’d like to see!

thread from someone who knows what they’re talking about;

https://twitter.com/NGrossman81/status/1075765784885018624

there’s even a book:

https://www.amazon.com/Drones-Terrorism-Asymmetric-Warfare-Security/dp/1784538302

In warzones, ordinary commercially-available drones are used for extraordinary reconnaissance and information gathering. They can also be used for bombings – a drone carrying an explosive charge can be a powerful weapon. At the same time asymmetric warfare has become the norm – with large states increasingly fighting marginal terrorist groups in the Middle East and elsewhere. Here, Nicholas Grossman shows how we are entering the age of the drone terrorist – groups such as Hezbollah are already using them in the Middle East. Grossman will analyze the ways in which the United States, Israel and other advanced militaries use aerial drones and ground-based robots to fight non-state actors (e.g. ISIS, al Qaeda, the Iraqi and Afghan insurgencies, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc.) and how these groups, as well as individual terrorists, are utilizing less advanced commercially-available drones to fight powerful state opponents.

Robotics has huge implications for the future of security, terrorism and international relations and this is essential reading on the subject of terrorism and drone warfare.

Well, no deal Brexit is going to work out well isn’t it!

he bullet would continue on its course and when it loses its battle against gravity it would fall to the floor?

Not so, lots of folk are killed by falling bullets as people celebrate by shooting into the air. As far back as WWI machine guns were used in indirect fire mode, firing into the air so taht bulets would rain down on enemy positions.