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  • EU Referendum – are you in or out?
  • raybanwomble
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    Time will tell kelvin, Corbyn seemed really angry when going after BoJo over Brexit – but then seemed deflated, even down to me, when he started talking about separate issues.

    He’s a hard character to guess and perhaps I am reading into it too much, but he has moments of abject brilliance sometimes interspersed with bouts of seeming apathy.

    dangeourbrain
    Free Member

    I do hope someone doing a wonderful impression of Dennis pennis approaches JRM & nige and asks them if they wish they’d argued for TM’s deal now.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    but then seemed deflated

    You’ve not been following his performances at the dispatch box, have you? He always has brief moments of energising delivery, followed by slow boring disinterested delivery that it’s hard to pay attention to, even if on a subject you have a close interest in personally. It’s standard. Don’t read anything into it.

    raybanwomble
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    I stopped a little while back kelvin. But it’s a pattern I’ve seen before, but until tonight I thought nothing much of it.

    torsoinalake
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    Is this a turning point? Where the populists are finally outed for the being the complete idiots that they are?

    Let’s be honest, it’s not like they were hiding away is it?

    But no, all we get from this is a bit of schadenfreud. It’s still an unholy mess.

    raybanwomble
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    Trump is polling badly compared to the democratic candidates – the optimist in me is hoping that the worldwide wave of populism has peaked. Duterte is losing his popularity, as is Bolsonaro. People are perhaps seeing their lives don’t get better under them?

    kelvin
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    but until tonight I thought nothing much of it

    To be fair, I think I forget how old he actually is. Not many his age would maintain the engaged speaker mode as long as he manages. And Johnson’s performance today was so poor, having the focus kept on him is good anyway.

    binners
    Full Member

    Have you not cottoned on to this yet? He does it every week at PMQ’s. He looks like a bored health and safety officer reading where the fire assembly points are, then suddenly becomes animated for ten seconds

    That ten seconds is then what gets spliced and sent out on friendface and ****ter feeds to the Canary, Red Labour and all the rest of the sixth formers feeds

    It’s so obvious that the Tory benches now mockingly cheer it, and Theresa May sarcastically remarked that ‘he’d done his Twitter clip’ when he did it at one of her last PMQ’s.

    raybanwomble
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    I just didn’t trust my judgement on it binners.

    It’s a shame, if he kept spitting fire in a consistent manner he’d be a scary figure to oppose. Maybe we are lucky he is not able to keep it up.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Your government’s front bench…

    Arses

    whitestone
    Free Member

    A two pronged counter-attack from the government: it looks like they’ll attempt to filibuster the bill in the Lords and the chief whip is starting to withdraw the whip from the declared tory democrats.

    dissonance
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    It is good to see johnson hiding away.
    Rees-Mogg really does look good there. Sort of lazy attitude I would display and not someone who tries to portray himself as a proper gentleman.
    I liked the disgraced former defence minister Liam Fox trying the “coalition of chaos” line. Really would have thought those idiots would try something new given their current state.

    dangeourbrain
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    Not many his age would maintain the engaged speaker mode as long as he manages.

    That’s true but it’s disingenuous. Not many hours age would be actively engaged in* or have pursued a position in which it was needed.

    Of those that did you have the likes of Attenborough, ranauph fiennes,John Cleese to name a few. Heavens, even Prince Philip seems animated on things he likes to talk about.

    Your government’s front bench…

    Looks like wetherspoons at 11am

    perchypanther
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    “Paint me like one of your French girls,  Boris!”

    bigrich
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    all of this could have been a lot easier if david cameron knew how to write a question that reflects the complexity of the situation, rather than the imitation of a binary yes/no.

    dangeourbrain
    Free Member

    all of this could have been a lot easier if david cameron knew how to write a question that reflects the complexity of the situation, rather than the imitation of a binary yes/no

    Not entirely his fault you know…
    [and don’t have faith the next one will be better, it “should be clear and simple, that is, easy to
    understand; to the point; and not ambiguous. It should also be neutral, which
    means it should not encourage voters to consider one response more
    favourably than another or mislead voters.” – if you’re interested there’s 76pages of published research and 56pages of published advice as to why it was a good question]

    To help your faith in democracy and the people who helped shape this cluster “As found in the previous 2013
    and 2014
    research, contextual knowledge of the
    European Union varied across research participants. Whilst most were aware that
    the United Kingdom is currently a member of the European Union” from those 76pages, yep some of the people who shaped the referendum didn’t even know we are/were a member. It’s scary reading.

    2013 & 2014 refers to 81&23pages of results and research in question testing

    P-Jay
    Free Member

    Is this a turning point? Where the populists are finally outed for the being the complete idiots that they are?

    I’d think/hope so, I sense we could be putting this shit to bed soon.

    For Boris and the ERG a deal was never enough, but they knew a no-deal Brexit wouldn’t have passed a ref.

    Up to now both sides have stopped ‘taking yes for an answer’ it’s become to polorised, too embittered. Leavers squandered a chance to leave, we could have left months ago, they could already be working on how they wanted the U.K. to be post-EU, but it wasn’t good enough. Labour could have torn through the Tories if only socialists could have put aside their own dreams of a socialist Brexit.

    If this really is the beginning of the end, we have the hardcore Brexiteers to thank, when push came to shove they reverted to type, pubic school bully boys and like most toffs who think they’re hard, they get a nasty shock when they try it on it the real world.

    frankconway
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    Cameron didn’t write the question; I thought it was authored by the Electoral Reform Commission?

    dangeourbrain
    Free Member

    Cameron didn’t write the question; I thought it was authored by the Electoral Reform Commission?

    Suggested by Parliament, extensively tested then reworded by the electoral commission then approved by Parliament.

    olddog
    Full Member

    DIVISION!!!!

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Need to listen to Pink Floyd now… Division Bell.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    DIVISION!!!!

    The ayes have it.

    Shit, that was fast. Bercow doesn’t piss about, does he.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    “Paint me like one of your French girls, Boris!”

    Arse

    Bercow doesn’t piss about, does he.

    He just ignored the first vote. Second one is having a proper count. Yes, our parliament is archaic.

    kimbers
    Full Member

    Johnson is getting a kicking in parliament, first PM since Pitt the younger to lose his first vote

    But he’s still polling well enough to keep* his majority in a GE

    *Well get a working one

    mattyfez
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    What are labour playing at now?

    Or is it just a splinter faction?

    dissonance
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    Or is it just a splinter faction?

    Same group (more or less) who were pro maybots deal in the past.

    olddog
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    Yup it’s a sub group of pro-leave-with-any-deal Labour MPs

    binners
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    dangeourbrain
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    What are labour playing at now?

    Good lord. I assumed binners was joking with VI formers, that reads like it’s been written by a not very accomplished one.

    As to what they’re playing at they’re looking after number 1 and still courting the leave vote for fear of offending them, to quote Kate Hoey “sending a signal to all those people who voted to Leave that we know best, that we are being arrogant”.

    All well and good of course except they really really are supposed to know best.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Usual names.

    olddog
    Full Member

    Ayes have it, the ayes have it

    kelvin
    Full Member

    328:301

    Cougar
    Full Member

    328:301, ayes have it.

    dissonance
    Full Member

    Ayes have it, the ayes have it

    Who was that “not a good start Boris”.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Boris now repeating lies and bluster.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    What are labour playing at now?

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Calling for an election (that he says he doesn’t want).

    dangeourbrain
    Free Member

    Boris now repeating lies and bluster

    I think that’s just how he breathes

    Cougar
    Full Member

    Oh, wait, here it comes… Boris “doesn’t want an election”… here starts his exit strategy.

    Called it.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Corbyn calling for Johnson to call a referendum, and pushing for the legislation to stop No Deal before any election. Spot on!

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