What’s the point of the extension proposed by the EU? Its conditional on the WA getting voted through next week, which if it does then why do we need an extension?

Read the last few pages. The WA needed to be approved by parliament LAST YEAR to have time to ratify and prepare for it to be put in place. May delayed… parliament voted against… clock has been run down… months are needed after (if) parliament does decide to back the WA…

Why do you hold labour responsible when they are not in government? This is the tories mess and no one else’s. Labour have done everything that could be expected of them

Providing meaningful opposition for the last couple of years would be a start…
The fact that Tom Watson and Kier Starmer are at odds with Corbyn over pretty much everything, etc…

“The Tories have more MPs than Labour, what’s the point in opposing their Brexit?”

If you are making this point, or something like it, yet again, then you’re just wasting space.

The short extension is simply to give May a bit of time to get the rest of the legislation needed into place – and will only be granted if the WA passes this week. Its a courtesy nothing more.

Its clear the EU would grant ( reluctantly) a long extension if there is a major change in circumstances

For those having a go at labour, here’s remainer hero Anna Soubry’s brexit voting record. She seemed to have something of brain freeze after initially voting to stay in the EU in 2016.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24772/anna_soubry/broxtowe/divisions?policy=6761

Less than about 18 000 000 signatures from people entitled to vote and it proves nothing to me.

No point making any kind of protest then?

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What’s the point of the extension proposed by the EU? Its conditional on the WA getting voted through next week, which if it does then why do we need an extension?

In theory, it’s because even if the vote goes through, there’s not enough time to actually act on it before the date. In practice, the vote isn’t going to pass and I think everyone knows that including May so, who knows

Providing meaningful opposition for the last couple of years would be a start…

Thank you for proving my point. Care to explain what ‘meaningful opposition’ actually means?

For those getting excited about the petition, at what point do you think it becomes significant?

I think it’s already significant. Not directly – I doubt it’ll make any difference to anything at all if we’re being realistic – but as a symbolic gesture it’s huge. It’s a bit like going on a protest march.

Care to explain what ‘meaningful opposition’ actually means?

Well, there’s three years of **** running commentary on that… go back in the thread and read it, instead of trolling.

dazh – you are fighting a loosing battle on this. I have asked the same question many times and got one partial answer from Edukator. None from the rest of the Corbyn haters

with a badly split party and the press all baying for brexit there really has been very little labour can do

100 mps threatened to vote against a second ref for example.

Well who’d have thunk it? Looks like the EU 27 are all singing from the same hymn sheet

Just you wait, the CEO of BMW will be knocking on Merkel’s door any minute now, then it’ll all fall into place.

Been in touch with Speaker at #Commons
Next week i will, with other MPs, apply for a Debate under Standing Order 24 to push for Commons vote to #RevokeArticle50.
Revocation ends #Brexit in an afternoon & requires only one letter to EU .
Tweet/email your MP to support this.

— Angus B MacNeil MP (@AngusMacNeilSNP) March 21, 2019

very little labour can do

They’ve done lots. It might not chime with what their members and voters want, but hey, that’s the new ultra democratic party that Corbyn promised, or something.

By not actvely encouraging and promoting Brexit, Dazh. Corbyn called for immediate use of Art. 50 and that set the tone. Labour have never launched an anti-Brexit campaign which as the biggest opposition party is what they should have done if they in anyway opposed Brexit. They didn’t, and recent voting by Labour MPs tells me there is no anti-Brexit whip chez Labour. They want a Labour-flavour Brexit but it will still be Brexit.

You were one of the first people on this forum to state you’d vote remain, but since then you’ve been something of a Brexit apologist and I think your political allegiences have a lot to do with that. If you really don’t want Brexit you need to junk your support for any party/individual that isn’t actively opposing Brexit and perhaps get out on the streets.

dazh – you are fighting a loosing battle on this. I have asked the same question many times and got one partial answer from Edukator. None from the rest of the Corbyn haters

You have got many answers, including exact options where the labour party leadership could have whipped against rather than for brexit legislation. You are as shameless and deceitful as our political leaders in constantly lying that you have got no answers. You may not like the answers, but they are a matter of fact, and have been repeated many times.

Website is down again.

 Less than about 18 000 000 signatures from people entitled to vote and it proves nothing to me.

100% nearly 14mil have already signed an earlier petition which said as much.

at what point do you think it becomes significant?

Sub 24hr and 1mil+ ‘signatures’. That has to say something.

here’s remainer hero Anna Soubry’s brexit voting record.

Shhh. Next you will be mentioning inconvenient details like the leader, sorry spokesman, of the Funny Tinge party said he was against a second referendum and that we would be leaving.

MSP – care to link to one? I have seen platitudes and generalities but nothing specific or possible.

Could Labour have started with opposing or delaying Art 50?

So you expected labour to commit electoral suicide for no end result, given they would have lost the vote even if they had opposed it?

Well he did seem rather keen to support the tory agenda. Did he question whether it was correct to invoke Art50 before anyone had any idea what Brexit the tories wanted? No deal? Brino? Hard Brexit? Or did he simply empower the hateful tories and ERG?

End result? It’s starting to look like we’ll be leaving with No Deal.

Tingers were formed based on several MPs walking away and throwing their teddies out

100% nearly 14mil have already signed an earlier petition which said as much

platitudes and generalities

Funny Tinge party

+ [edit for extra lovely example]

self-immolating virtue signalling by labour MPs

I miss the right wing trolls.

MSP – care to link to one? I have seen platitudes and generalities but nothing specific or possible.

I have personally answered before, as have many others, then 10 pages later you play the same troll game, just grow, and stop trying to wind people up.

Brexit apologist

Don’t be daft. I’m as anti-brexit now as I was 3 years ago. If I’m an apologist for anything it’s cold hard reality, rather than the fantasy that brexit could have been stopped with some pointless and self-immolating virtue signalling by labour MPs.

I think it’s already significant. Not directly – I doubt it’ll make any difference to anything at all if we’re being realistic – but as a symbolic gesture it’s huge. It’s a bit like going on a protest march.

It’s bit like turning your computer on rather than a march.

Don’t be daft. I’m as anti-brexit now as I was 3 years ago. If I’m an apologist for anything it’s cold hard reality, rather than the fantasy that brexit could have been stopped with some pointless and self-immolating virtue signalling by labour MPs.

With all due respect: From the outside looking in, there’s either a disparity between your words and your actions, or between what you think you’re saying and what you’re actually saying.

Every political party is looking out for themselves, not the Country. The Tories needed to kill UKIP and solidify their base. Brexit and GREAT Britain tubthumping ensued. Labour needs to maintain a hold on on it’s working class strongholds, many of which voted Leave and the EU is a constrain on Corbyn’s socialist policies, so they won’t do it. The LibDems are (and it pains me to say this) somewhat pointless/leaderless/directionless. Only the SNP are talking sense.

Nicola Sturgeon needs to rebrand the SNP, snop using nationalist policies, campaign south of the border and take over Westminster. I’d imagine that a good many of the independents would join a strong, socially connected party with a view to scrapping Brexit.

I miss the right wing trolls.

There’s plenty of them in the Tinge party.

The online petition was mentioned twice in the House of Commons this afternoon. All petitions that pass the 100000 mark are referred to the Petition Committee and they decide whether it gets any air time in the house. So it’s in their hands, whoever they are.

With all due respect: From the outside looking in, there’s either a disparity between your words and your actions, or between what you think you’re saying and what you’re actually saying.

No there isn’t. He’s been quite clear and his views are very similar to mine.

Put it like this – it’s not dazH that keeps forecasting the apocalypse over and over which helps no one. (I’m not saying you do either, but some do for sure.)

It’s a complex situation and shouldn’t really have been distilled to Remain/Brexit – the debate and consequences of either position were much wider.

No there isn’t. He’s been quite clear and his views are very similar to mine.

Is that quote straight from Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland?

keeps forecasting the apocalypse over and over which helps no one.

THM’s favourite strawman is back.

MSP – seriously I have not seen one. all I have seen is platitudes and generalities. “show leadership” etc. I am not trolling here.

Maybe I missed it on this megathread – not seen every post but at no time have I seen a post that gives any plausible other routes labour could have taken.

So you expected labour to commit electoral suicide for no end result, given they would have lost the vote even if they had opposed it?

So what is the point in having an ‘opposition’? Why not have a GE, then the winning party just carries out the policies it likes without any scrutiny or challenge?

Petitions Committee: https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/petitions-committee/membership/

at no time have I seen a post that gives any plausible other routes labour could have taken

Try harder.

No there isn’t. He’s been quite clear and his views are very similar to mine.

That to prevent a rise of right wing populism we must give the right wing populists everything they demand?

Sub 24hr and 1mil+ ‘signatures’. That has to say something.

Yes, it says “tiny minority”.

One unexpected Brexit effect that falls into the category of antecdote as it only concerns people I’ve spoken to:

Expats are great for a country, each one is an ambassador. When I’ve worked for French and Swiss companies my English/Welsh origins have been fully exploited and in my own little way I’ve contributed to trade. I was pleasantly surprised when a particular brand first appeared on British supermarket shelves because the supermarket chosen for the lauch was the one I’d suggested.

There are lots of expats on this forum and I’d like to bet their bosses hold them in high esteem. They’re living the dream and their employers benefit from their positive attitude.

So what happen when those expats feel excluded, unheard and then find they need to apply for another nationality and then get that nationality? Well having watched a few people through the process they feel very proud of their new passport and lot less British, and their attitudes change. One guy who works at a university recently said it’s become emabarrasing to be British.

So what happens when millions of grudge-bearing dual nationals stop being positive about Britain? What happens the person in the organisation with the most knowledge about a place becomes the last person to talk positively about it?

And all you expats on the forum. What do you think of my ideas? How do you feel in Germany, Italy, Belgium, Spain, Holland, Scandinavia… . Are you as good a British ambassador as you were 3 years ago?

THM’s favourite strawman is back.

Get past an insult and I will engage with you.

You know when Toyota announced they were building their new Hybrid in the UK – how did you respond to that?