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Seeing as the government seem to be refusing to do so, has anyone else made any practical plans for when we crash out on March 29th next year?
Lock myself in the EU parliament building with a crate of Leffe and claim political asylum.
Seeing as the government seem to be refusing to do so, has anyone else made any practical plans for when we crash out on March 29th next year?
Bought a greenhouse, improved the gardens growing capabilities, built a brexit larder and filled it with canned goods. Few bottles of Gin to wash away the Spam...mmm spam sandwiches
Im going to binge watch series of Marooned with Ed Stafford, to learn how to live off frogs & make clothes out of grass
And thus themselves?
Given their performance in NI I wouldnt put it past them.
Brexit negotiations have hit a "real problem" over the issue of the Irish border, government sources have warned.
Who'd have thought that would happen?! It's not as if we were being warned about this before the vote or anything..
"Anyone else"
Yep. Me too binners - a nice week away at the end of March sounds like the best plan.
Oh, hang on....
Practical measures:
Irish passports for the family. Wife'll have to be smuggled in the boot.
Am busy re-locating my business to a brass plate in Dublin as I've already been told by my customer and my customer's customer that we'll be persona non grata on-site in Germany. Have been told similar by my other client in Finland. Euro bank account for the business along with emergency account for me.
Moved our skiing holiday from Half Term to April so I don't have to sit next to Liam The Gormless in the hotel restaurant lest I may lose my presence of mind. Am pre-paying for any foreign expenses post March wherever I can - so my skiing holiday in Austria is all being booked and paid for right now, including lift passes, ski school & kindergarten for the kid's. Doing the same for Summer holiday next year.
German Umwelt badge updated for the van as there's no guarantee Brit vehicles will qualify any more. May even do the same for our Austrian vignette.
Anything I regularly bring in from Europe on the cheap I'm doing now - tyres and brakes for the cars, regular bike consumables.
Business as frikking usual, my arse!
I've renewed my passport early so at least it still says EU on the front.
I envisage the negotiations going something like this, with the EU as Bernie Mac but instead of saying “half” they’re saying “the four freedoms”, meanwhile were on the other side making desperate pleas...
I do miss having THM here to tell us how well the grown ups are doing.
Haha.
I'm beginning to think this is all just theatre. The key is the position of the labour party. We all know the DUP and Brexit nutters will vote to burn the house down, but I'm pretty sure that when the chips are down Corbyn/Starmer will offer an escape route by voting with the govt or abstaining. Corbyn pretty much said as much in his conference speech. They'll do it because if they don't a massive number of labour MPs will rebel anyway, and much of the membership will be massively pissed off. But they'll only do so once they've extracted the maximum political capital out of it, perhaps in the form of an agreement on bringing forward the next election to March just after we leave?
All of the optimist opinions on here have so far proven to be false hope Dazh, so I think it will just go to shit and we'll get a mineral.
Corbyn / Labours best outcome right now is the fall of the government. Supporting any deal that May tries to put forward is unthinkable unless she goes for an EEA deal. Nothing else will do
No deal is going to satisfy the zeal of the deranged on the right so they will vote down whatever cobbled together nonsense she does come back with. she cannot survive that.
Electoral maths will then decide the next steps
Katya Adler just tweeted this
Anyone wondering why - after so many months of Brexit talks - the Irish border issue hasn’t yet been settled should consider that - according EU sources - the Irish backstop was not discussed in negotiations by U.K. request between Dec and the end of the Tory party conference
May considered it too politically sensitive to even discuss, apparently. I'd love to refer to that as unbelievable, but its far from it. Nothing surprises me with these clowns any more. Its been obvious since the off that keeping the Tory party together and in power has been the over-riding priority, no mater what cost that comes at to the country
Corbyn / Labours best outcome right now is the fall of the government.
It's not going to happen. Even if the nutters vote down the brexit deal, or even the budget, they'll fall back in line on a no confidence vote. Also consider that Labour voting against will split the PLP right down the middle. Corbyn is trying to position and present himself and the shad-cab as a serious government-in-waiting. To do that they need to show that they can act in the national interest and rise above petty party squabbles and this is the perfect opportunity. But May will need to offer them something massive, like an election. She'd also get to call the bluff of Johnson, Mogg and Foster.
great example of the Tories putting party before country binners!
Mr Corbyn and the Labour party?! I'd almost forgotten about them!
How are they doing?
Are they somewhere nice?
When are they due back? After all, I thought "the season" over and all the debutants presented.
Well, I'm sure wherever they've got to, they'll be back straight away if something important happens.
Well, I’m sure wherever they’ve got to, they’ll be back straight away if something important happens.
Well it's far better than tearing themselves apart in public for no gain at all.
It’s not going to happen. Even if the nutters vote down the brexit deal, or even the budget, they’ll fall back in line on a no confidence vote. Also consider that Labour voting against will split the PLP right down the middle. Corbyn is trying to position and present himself and the shad-cab as a serious government-in-waiting. To do that they need to show that they can act in the national interest and rise above petty party squabbles and this is the perfect opportunity. But May will need to offer them something massive, like an election. She’d also get to call the bluff of Johnson, Mogg and Foster.
You have a stronger belief in rational choice theory than either me or TJ.....unfortunately I think TJ will be proven right.
Yes it's a terrible shame that there isn't a rational and reasonable argument that they could have been putting forward for, oh, the last couple of years. And we wouldn't be any closer to finding a solution (the solution) if they had done so.
The only outcome that is in the national interest is to cancel brexit. That's been clear to anyone with a brain for a couple of years and more.
Still struggling to imagine what a NI solution could look like:
1. No part of the UK in customs union = hard border
2. NI in CU = Arlene Foster nutters meltdown
3. UK in CU = Brexshiteers meltdown
What am I missing here ?
The only outcome that is in the national interest is to cancel brexit. That’s been clear to anyone with a brain for a couple of years and more.
Interestingly the latest rumour I've heard from the pro-Brexit crowd is that if we try to revoke article 50 now, the EU won't let us back in without being part of schengen proper, taking the Euro, a reduction in subsidies and losing our veto...
I tried having a quick look around the web for the facts, but couldn't find anything, it all sounds a bit "project fear" to me.
The only outcome that is in the national interest is to cancel brexit. That’s been clear to anyone with a brain for a couple of years and more.
This is so self-evidently true that I can't really believe that no one seriously suggests it. We elect our representatives to govern in our best interests. This is the only option that fulfils that mandate. So why is no one backing it? Sod a second referendum, just do the bloody job you were elected to do.
For the EU to cancel brexit now, they have to sell it to the rest of the EU population, the UK has burned any goodwill and the view from most of the EU is now "good riddance to bad rubbish".
That being said, the EU is more pragmatic than the idiot ideologs currently in charge of the UK government.
AstraZeneca chairman:Leif Johansson
"We have also stopped investing in the UK."
Now that's the kind of out-of-the-box, red, white and blue Brexit decisions we need!
Simply by removing investment into UK businesses, we will become leaner, fitter and even more attractive to, ooh I don't know... birds? Minke whales? NGO's offering food aid?
Interestingly the latest rumour I’ve heard from the pro-Brexit crowd is that if we try to revoke article 50 now, the EU won’t let us back in without being part of schengen proper, taking the Euro, a reduction in subsidies and losing our veto…
If we do leave and ever try to get back in (quite likely as expect there will be a pro EU movement that carries on) then I expect we'll be faced with exactly the same, unless they get some proper grown ups in to do the negotiation for that.
Of course, if we leave I'd expect it, but they're suggesting that if we try to cancel A50 without leaving first that's what'll happen
Interestingly the latest rumour I’ve heard from the pro-Brexit crowd is that if we try to revoke article 50 now, the EU won’t let us back in without being part of schengen proper, taking the Euro, a reduction in subsidies and losing our veto…
It is my understanding if we revoke Article 50 we can with no penalty, it's just Ok everybody as you were...
https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1051411763680473090
the latest rumour I’ve heard from the pro-Brexit crowd is that if we try to revoke article 50 now, the EU won’t let us back in without being part of schengen proper, taking the Euro, a reduction in subsidies and losing our veto…
I personally wouldn't mind this at all. I would have more than a little chuckle too 🙂
I'm hearing reports that actually talks have progressed very well, and in fact there are now only two questions yet to be answered before we can leave.
How?
and
Why?
There appears to be an answer to that rumour here...
Once out, we won't be allowed back in for decades.
We'll be back to going cap in hand to the US and latterly, the IMF with all that entails: "...Because we can't kick our creditors in the balls" - H Wilson.
"Big Yellow Taxi" by Joni Mitchell was just playing on the radio....
The panic has set in (well not in the EU) the end is nigh and all that.
Its stunning that NI and the DUP is the catalyst.
We have lots of clients who are just sitting and waiting, some have relocated IT back to Europe and others have "bought" offices in Holland and Ireland.
Personally there is little as a business we can do, we are likely to loose a few clients in Germany/Ireland and some as above will move IT support "home" just lost a support contract with a German business and they bluntly quoted brexit (this was a six year relationship)
Should have been a growth year for us post GDPR but likley to standstill at best.
In practical terms it means we will not be creating a couple of grad jobs.
Its all getting very real. Trouble is non involved DUP PM ERG Labour actually depend on clients to pay their bills, ideology only exists while there is food and money.
Fro the beeb just now..
Giving a statement to MPs, she (May) said the EU had "responded positively" to her proposal for a UK-wide arrangement - but that it was insisting on keeping a specific arrangement for Northern Ireland on the table.
Corbyn / Labours best outcome right now is the fall of the government. Supporting any deal that May tries to put forward is unthinkable unless she goes for an EEA deal. Nothing else will do
60% of labour constituencies voted leave. Although the stat is just an indicator but Labour were pro A50 and would say that they were voted in as a leave party with Corbyn as massively anti EU.
There can be surveys published all of the day and night that say we are moving one way or another but to say that any party has a mandate for anything from a very confused electorate is a stretch
Chair of the Brexit Committee Hilary Benn says that on the Northern Irish border issue, "the expectation of an end date is not the same as a definite end date".
He asks when the prime minister will tell her party that "we cannot have a fixed, artificial time limit on that fall back which the government is trying to negotiate with the EU."
The prime minister says the purposed backstop is "an insurance policy", which will be "there for the time until the future relationship can come into place."
"We expect that to be no later than December 2021", but the government will be working to ensure that happens as early as possible, she says.
She repeats that the government wants the backstop "never to have to come into place".
From the Commons: MPs keep asking awkward questions about deadlines and dates that Mrs M will commit to.
She should firmly remind them she's absolutely committed to eliminating all avoidable plastic waste by 2042.
What am I missing here ?
IT, Leprechauns, Unicorns?
60% of labour constituencies voted leave
That this is true, while it is also true that 65% of Labour voters voted Remain, tells you all you need to know about how fundamentally broken and undemocratic the UK system is.
There can be surveys published all of the day and night that say we are moving one way or another but to say that any party has a mandate for anything from a very confused electorate is a stretch
That's why we need another ref.
Tories collapse, Labour win power then offer a 2nd ref as per conference, Starmer and the remainers make Corb and McD see sense and put remain on the ballot along with whatever the EU offers and no deal. With the leave vote split, remain romps home. Then revoking A50 is the democratic will, no-one loses face, and business can start to recover. Job's a goodun.
Tories collapse, Labour win power then offer a 2nd ref as per conference, Starmer and the remainers make Corb and McD see sense and put remain on the ballot along with whatever the EU offers and no deal. With the leave vote split, remain romps home. Then revoking A50 is the democratic will, no-one loses face, and business can start to recover. Job’s a goodun.
Can I please live in this utopian society where people and politicians act in the best interests of all rather than trying to line their own pockets or grease their way into power by whatever means necessary.?? Seriously, is there like, a form I need to fill in or somewhere I can get tickets.?? Pretty please.?
I think that people missunderstand what happened at the labour conference, a second ref is the labour leaderships last option, they would still rather push ahead with brexit just with them in the negotiating seat.
IMO they have no intention of holding a second ref, the wording of the statement just had that as a distant possibility to avoid an immediate revolt.
The labour conference was rather easily duped, in a way that is becoming all to common in our modern democracies.
I don't know if this makes me a bad person or not, but as someone who's loathed the whole idea of Brexit since it began, I'm now taking rather a lot of pleasure in watching the negotiations fall apart together with the Tory Party and the DUP.
Had I been in Teresa May's (very posh) shoes a year ago I'd have scrapped the whole thing, resigned, and sauntered away while giving two fingers to the Brexit brigade.
Roll on the holiday next year. Well stocked up here with 40,000 tins of corned beef in the garage along with Shaun of the Dead (for research purposes obv.).