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Espresso Machine
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1batfinkFree Member
Yeah – I’m deep down the rabbit hole and have quite a clear idea about what is/isn’t worth it, at this point. I also took quite a logical approach of trying to standardize everything, and only then changing one variable at a time, while I was learning. Consistency is the key – if your puck prep/volume out is inconsistent, then it going to be really hard to dial in your grinder (which is your primary variable) for example.
Scales: absolutely worth it. Dose-out vs time has been my primary (but not only) method of dialing-in my grinder. Over-running a shot by even just a couple of grams can make a big difference to the taste (good vs crap). Also used for weighing dose-in (beans or ground coffee). Be aware that grinders that use “timed dosing” are hugely dependent on how full the hopper is. if you keep the hopper full, they are ok, but as soon as the level starts to drop, the weight of grounds you are getting in the portafilter per “dose” is wildly variable.
Timer: As above, really useful to help you dial-in your grinder. Most scales you buy (even the cheap ones) also have a timer built in – so this isn’t an extra “thing” or additional step. I tend to go for 44g out in about 30-35 seconds (my machine has a slow preinfusion, so I like to run the shot for slightly longer). Over the course of a week, the slightly older beans at the same grind setting might be down to 44g in 29 seconds or so, and don’t taste as good, telling me that I need to adjust the grind.
Calibrated tamper: I have this one (link) which is cheap and works well. As mentioned above, the collar absolutely guarantees you get it exactly flat each time, and the spring makes sure that the force you use is consistent. To be clear: you don’t NEED this, but for the price vs a regular one…. it make sense to rule-out tamping (angle and force) as a variable. Again, consistency is key.
Puck “rake” or WDT tool: Absolutely worth it. These are super cheap (you can even just use a bunch of pins stick in an old cork) and make a real difference IMO. It’s basically just a way of breaking up any clumps in the coffee prior to tamping, and making sure that the grounds are distributed evenly in the portafilter. Sounds like bullshit – actually works really well. When you are first starting out, “channeling” is one of the most common issues/results in the most bad shots. Just doing this for 3 seconds hugely increases consistency.
Spinny puck flattener/distributor thing: Absolutely not worth it. Make no difference IMO.
Naked Portafilter: I have one. It’s helpful when you first start out to look for issues with your puck-prep (see above re: channeling), but really now the main advantage is extra clearance for bigger cups and easier cleaning. Nice -to-have only.
“Third wave” water: I tried this (distilled water plus added minerals)…. couldn’t taste the difference vs my standard Sydney tap water (which is very soft). Might be worth it for you, wasn’t worth it for me.
I’m sure somebody will come along and tell me all this is nonsense…. but this is what I have found over the last 4 years.
trail_ratFree Memberconversely i made a conscious decision not to get down that rabbit hole and bought a jura E8.
i press button , it makes noise and tasty brown liquid comes out.
Had a delonghi magnifica which made decent coffee but after 3 years it needed a service/repair – and came back worse. I stripped it down and the same plastic actuator had snapped again.
milko9000Free MemberI am also pretty deep in the hole – went from moka pot to Gaggia to Rancilio and now a Lelit Elizabeth which is probably not the ultimate endgame for me but it’ll certainly do for a long long time. I’d never want an integrated grinder, for setup and maintenance and upgradeability reasons… but yeah, you have to decide if you want to go down this road or avoid it. The road that includes things like “spend as much on the grinder as the machine or you’re probably not getting the most out of it” and all that. Flat burrs vs conical. Single dose vs hopper. My friends who haven’t gone this way are possibly happier for it!
I basically agree with batfink ^^ on all points, except I’ve not bothered with a calibrated tamper yet and I make a little more of the naked portafilter because I get lazy about cleaning under the basket on the spouted ones and then regret it.
batfinkFree Membernow a Lelit Elizabeth which is probably not the ultimate endgame for me but it’ll certainly do for a long long time
I have a lelit Mara and a niche zero – which is pretty intermediate (in my mind). I really WANT a La Marzocco (currently 15% off) or the new Decent Bengle (releasing next year) but I just can’t justify it – my current setup is so good.
qwertyFree MemberI’ve just brought an (transparent) AeroPress and have a one shot Bialetti for espresso – go me 😜
milko9000Free Member@batfink sounds like we’re at around the same point, I have a Timemore 64s for my grinder. The likes of La Marzocco and Decent and a few others are certainly very tempting but we are well into diminishing returns for the money by now!
Are there any hobbies where this doesn’t happen? I already got to this on the mountain bike, I’m probably going to start doing it with woodworking tools next.
HansReyFull Member@batfink, are there any other calibrated tampers that you can recommend?
whatgoesupFull MemberSage Bambino here, with a Sage grinder.
Seems to be the right sweet spot in terms of quality / price and also faff / quality.The Barista Pro is more or less those two units built into one package except the grinder isn’t quite as adjustable.
The most important thing though is learning how to use it and adjust to suit the beans etc.
1toby1Full Memberone shot Bialetti for espresso
Standards: that’s not espresso.
Can’t believe it went this long without someone saying it :unsure:
zomgFull MemberI just today stripped down my Gaggia Classic for the first time to unblock the solenoid valve. I’m not sure where this suits me on rabbit holes, but its espressos are certainly an improvement on my recent reversion to Aeropress.
montylikesbeerFull MemberI have a 20 year old Gaggia Classic matched to a greaty little Ibertial MC2 grinder.
I am down the rabbit hole with a bottomless filter, steam wand mod to the Gaggia, dosing cup, levelling tool, needle distribution tool, dosing ring, small set of digital scales, rubber tamping mat, a tidy tamper, happy donkey coffee in the freezer and a big smile.
blokeuptheroadFull Member@batfink, are there any other calibrated tampers that you can recommend?
The one I linked to earlier in the thread, despite the comedy chingrish in the Amazon ad is really good. Heavy, well made with a satisfying “click” when you’ve applied sufficient pressure. The sliding collar makes it impossible to tamp off level. As others have said, you don’t NEED a calibrated tamper, but if you want one it’s as good as any. I does get good reviews online.
I’ve got a few “mhw 3 bomber” accessories. The tamper, a magnetic dosing funnel, a WDT tool and some puck screens. They are a Chinese company, but their products are well made and reasonably priced. I’d buy again.
montylikesbeerFull Membersorry can’t post a picture, jeez this site can be flaky, aaarrrhhh
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