David Icke at Wembley last Saturday

You might not like what I diagnose…

I suggest you do your research

(This may become a recurring theme, you’re tickling my troll buttons 😀 )

I think you’re being evasive because you can’t provide an answer that would satisfy even you.

I notice you haven’t answered my previous questions either. I think that is either because you’re too lazy (which is fair enough) or because you can’t provide an answer that would satisfy even you.

Which questions?

If you do your research, maybe you could answer them yourself? 😀

your research is so poor it cannot even identify the questions

GO you

C’mon now Junky, there’s no need to be nasty to the ‘bunny…

Thing is, I’m deluged with so many questions, (even though I’m not David Icke), it’s hard to know which ones I’m supposed to answer.

Let’s call it 20p a question and I’ll see what I can do

jivehineyjive: the question that I have asked that you haven’t answered is in response to this exhange:

you’re surely not trying to suggest the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and the Pope control China? what about Russia, Kazakhstan, Thailand, all places in which the Catholic Church and the English monarchy have bugger all influence?

What about the intelligence services?

the question I asked is this one, that is at the top of this page:

I don’t understand what you’re asking. are you suggesting that the British and Papal intelligence services control China, Russia, Kazakhstan and Thailand (for example)?

the underlying question, which you could also answer if you choose, is this:

how can a theory that purports to explain how the world really works out so much emphasis on the Pope and the Queen when there are large parts of the world over which their institutions do not have and never have had any significant influence?

OK jive
please provide proof that the three cornered “mi5” badge you pictured is in fact an official mi5 emblem ?
Please explain why mi5 would go to the trouble of identifying enabling and controlling pedophile MPs when it would be easier to manipulate the process by getting Agents or people in on the conspiracy instead?
Please explain why such a high risk strategy was adopted during a cold war with Russia who would have been delighted to discover and expose it?
Please explain in the us military computer porn cases who other than the authorities discovered the issue leading to the fake crackdown you previously postulated.
Potential 80p at stake here.

While we’re at it, the purported link between elite/expensive public schools and child abuse: given the large number of boys that go through these schools, how many of them (as a percentage) would the abusers have to molest to guarantee a suitable number in positions of power? After all, if you only molest a couple the odds are pretty much against you, right?

Potential 80p at stake here.

+ my 20p, you’re up to a full pound now!

May a raise the stakes with 1000idr (I was saving some in case I ran out of big roll) that the answer come in the form of a massive leap to left field and a new conspiracy.

I don’t understand what you’re asking. are you suggesting that the British and Papal intelligence services control China, Russia, Kazakhstan and Thailand (for example)?

Of course they don’t have complete control, but they exert influence and have done for centuries.

The Opium wars are a prime example of this.

You have to remember this is a dynamic situation; they are vying for control, but have not yet fully established it by any means; the child abuse networks are just one way they pursue larger goals. Other avenues such as the economy, media and drugs trade are also used.

how can a theory that purports to explain how the world really works out so much emphasis on the Pope and the Queen when there are large parts of the world over which their institutions do not have and never have had any significant influence?

You have to remember relations of the Royal family spread far and wide, from the Belgian and Dutch Royal families to the deposed Russian tsars. Beyond this due to their power and influence, they have a large number of allies and people who toady up to them.

The dealings of the Vatican go beyond just the Catholic church, with huge investment portfolios and business interests; some suggest there is also significant links to the mafia, but I haven’t had the time to research this.

Please explain why mi5 would go to the trouble of identifying enabling and controlling pedophile MPs when it would be easier to manipulate the process by getting Agents or people in on the conspiracy instead?

You seem to expect me to have all the answers, something I never claimed to have; however, it is well documented that Mi5 agents have manipulated MPs with blackmail.

Please explain why such a high risk strategy was adopted during a cold war with Russia who would have been delighted to discover and expose it?
Please explain in the us military computer porn cases who other than the authorities discovered the issue leading to the fake crackdown you previously postulated.

I don’t have the time to do all the research necessary; if you want answers, look into it and report back, I’d be interested in what you find

please provide proof that the three cornered “mi5” badge you pictured is in fact an official mi5 emblem ?

From what I understand the three cornered Mi5 badge was in use until the 70s; being as it comes from such a secretive organization, it’s hard to get conclusive evidence either way.

If anyone can prove it either way, I’d be interested to know.

Interestingly, the same all seeing eye appears on the DARPA logo:

While we’re at it, the purported link between elite/expensive public schools and child abuse: given the large number of boys that go through these schools, how many of them (as a percentage) would the abusers have to molest to guarantee a suitable number in positions of power? After all, if you only molest a couple the odds are pretty much against you, right?

Good question; unfortunately, not being a lizard overlord, I don’t have access to the information to answer that question. If you can find it, it may be an indicator that you are a double agent acting on behalf of ‘them’.

David Icke is your man for these answers, he’s got a 20 year headstart in the research stakes.

Dammit, I could’ve done with 80p n all.

Interestingly, the same all seeing eye appears on the DARPA logo:

Your “research” isn’t really up to much is it ?

The name of the organisation whose logo you posted is on the bloody logo, but you still failed to get it correct.

Neal, the logo he showed is “obviously” the super secret logo that only those on the “inside” know about and get to use………

I could enlighten you regarding the MI5 logo. But then I’d have to kill you.

It’s the logo (unsurprisingly) of the Information Awareness Office.

There is a clue to this on the logo if you look very closely.

What is really interesting, is why do conspiracy theorists bang on about seeing the “all seeing eye” as part of various companies and organisations logos etc.

Why is this supposed to be a bad thing ?
What do they think it represents ?

They just say “and look, there is the all seeing eye again…. Mmmmm makes you think!”

Well, yes it does make me think ……

It makes me think you haven’t done your “research” 🙄

jive I have done my research and am reporting back.

please provide proof that the three cornered “mi5” badge you pictured is in fact an official mi5 emblem ?

Answer: it is not an organisation so secret it was not officially referred to or acknowledged to exist at the time did not have an official badge, it may or may not be a made up internal logo but I also discovered James Bond’s identity card in the same research!

Please explain why mi5 would go to the trouble of identifying enabling and controlling pedophile MPs when it would be easier to manipulate the process by getting Agents or people in on the conspiracy instead?

Answer: they don’t their are far more effective and less risky methods should they chose to use them , Occam’s razor is a good tool as is common sense.

Please explain why such a high risk strategy was adopted during a cold war with Russia who would have been delighted to discover and expose it?

Answer :It was not otherwise it would have been exposed either at the time or on the fall of the Berlin Wall .

Please explain in the us military computer porn cases who other than the authorities discovered the issue leading to the fake crackdown you previously postulated

Answer : because there is no elite child porn conspiracy if their was they would not investigate and expose child porn within the elite they would control and direct the investigation so only pawns were ever exposed not key military figures.

I have on occasions done paid professional work with victims and abusers (including rings) I have never ever come across anything to support your Theory , incompetence, victim blaming, arrogance lack of compassion, refusal to countenance as it is just too horrible but no overarching conspiracy. I know many of the white bricks at a number of levels I am indeed one but I have never seen heard or suspected a purple column. I have also worked alongside too MPs in a very limited way and can honestly say anyone who uses a lever like that to manipulate them is seriously over gunned.

The name of the organisation whose logo you posted is on the bloody logo, but you still failed to get it correct.

Highlight once again his inability to process even the simplest of data

Funniest self pwning on here for a while

Oh no. I’ve just discovered some evidence for Icke’s “reptilians from the constellation Draco” hypothesis.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16615650

It’s gone beyond funny into tragic.

I think he’s actually a 5th columnist tasked with distracting us with googling MK-ULTRA while the real takeover of power is occurring.

I think he’s actually a 5th columnist tasked with distracting us with googling MK-ULTRA while the real takeover of power is occurring.

Damn, you’ve sussed me out, I was trying to distract you from TTIP.

Bit funny how they locked MEPs out, eh?

Your “research” isn’t really up to much is it ?

Back at you my sweet; the logo I provided is a legitimate DARPA one, as it yours, but it seems you are a mite eager to polarize the situation.

Here is a bit more data on the information awareness office for your information awareness 😀 :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office

The IAO is a subset of DARPA for projects that relate to surveillance. It hardly seems surprising that their logo might include an eye watching the world, does it? (Sinister as that is, it doesn’t prove any link beyond a common meme, particularly as it’s used widely in the US).

The Information Awareness Office (IAO) was established by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in January 2002 to bring together several DARPA projects focused on applying surveillance and information technology to track and monitor terrorists and other asymmetric threats to U.S. national security, by achieving Total Information Awareness (TIA).

As they say who they are in big letters its pretty damn obvious what organisation the Logo belongs to
Its worth noting they dont exist* anymore [ ceased 2004] but I am sure we have a “well they would say that” response form our resident sleuth.

EDIT: Instead of being smug you should have read on
They do not use a now defunct subset organisation as an “offical logo of DARPA nor have they ever done this

Your smugness seems to be related inversely to just how wrong and stupid you are being

PS when you EDIT will you state so clearly 🙄 seeing as you are so keen on the “truth”.

Its worth noting they dont exist* anymore

Am I to take it you’re being a little selective with the truth there Junky?

Just this is quite early on in the wikipedia article:

Following public criticism that the development and deployment of this technology could potentially lead to a mass surveillance system, the IAO was defunded by Congress in 2003. However, several IAO projects continued to be funded and merely run under different names, as revealed by Edward Snowden during the course of the 2013 mass surveillance disclosures.

Perhaps you didn’t read that far?

Yes I was being selective 🙄 I would you have preferred i pasted all of Wiki – still at least i was not wrong in what i said unlike you.

As a result House and Senate negotiators moved to prohibit further funding for the TIA program by adding provisions to the Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2004[17] (signed into law by President Bush on October 1, 2003). Further, the Joint Explanatory Statement included in the conference committee report specifically directed that the IAO as program manager for TIA be terminated immediately.

Does the organisation exist? NO
Some of the work they did continues but that is not the same thing.
SO back to the point you made

the logo I provided is a legitimate DARPA one,

Is this true – NO
Was this ever true – NO

Will you admit it – NO
Do we all know you were wrong – YES
is there a point to this – NO

is there a point to this – NO

It’s OK, you don’t have to put yourself down that badly… though most of it seems to be some kind of point scoring system to inflate your self worth, some of it is relevant.

Like the fact that a government organization (you know, a branch of the same kind of governments that denied there was any mass surveillance, or who funded the abuse and torture of children under MK-ULTRA, or lied about the reasons for going to war in Iraq etc etc) makes the point that an organization, founded by DARPA, with DARPA clearly mentioned in the logo of said organization, does not mean that the logo in question is endorsed by DARPA.

I bow to your wisdom!!

The main point as far as I can see.

Who cares if there is an “all seeing eye” on the logo?

It was posted, correctly or otherwise, as “interesting”

Why is it?

Why is it an issue that there is an all seeing eye depicted on the logo.
Why do coincidence theoryists see it as a problem.

Always pointing it out to everyone as if it’s a bad thing, but why ?

It seems fantastical to me that if an organisation shrouded in secrecy did have links with the Illuminati and a supporting cast of thousands, they’d go and stick their bloody icons on their official logo. Assuming it’s all true, what possible logic is there in advertising it? Might as well paint “SPIES ARE HERE” across the front of the MI6 building.

(Sinister as that is, it doesn’t prove any link beyond a common meme, particularly as it’s used widely in the US).

It’s on the dollar bill, for a start. IIRC it’s supposed to be the eye of god watching over mankind, which is sinister enough before you start involving lizards.

Oh yeah, and,

The eye on the dollar bill predates its use by the masons.

Why is it a bad thing?

Obvious, really.

Hang on,

Sauron was a Freemason? HOW DEEP DOES THIS GO?!

Oh I see, the Hobbit and LotR books are actually a warning about government oppression, surveillance and control structures with hobbits being the ‘children’.

“HOW DEEP DOES THIS GO?!” said Frodo, with a grimace on his face.

Oh I see, the Hobbit and LotR books are actually a warning about government oppression, surveillance and control structures with hobbits being the ‘children’.

The resemblance is clear:

David Cameron

The Witch-King of Angmar

OK boys and girls, hold on tight, this shit is going to blow your mind:

Hidden in plain sight!!

Two not even remotely similar images?

Pretty mindblowing stuff all right.

Hold on a minute……

See? That’s how serious this is.

Some say those in the know have been trying to tell us for years:

But it could just be another brick in the wall…

Oh dear. I proper LOLLED. I never do that whilst browsing. Thank you Flash.
EDIT – but you’ve changed it.

EDIT – but you’ve changed it.

(Sorry, but I realised in true ISIHAC style that there was a very tenuous connection between the two original images. Couldn’t have that!)

OK boys and girls, hold on tight, this shit is going to blow your mind:

The problem is, with all the ridiculous shit you post, I don’t know if the Darth Vader/Fake MI5 logo post is serious or not.

You are, quite literally, The Boy Who Cried Wolf 😐

I’m sorry, but if there actually is a shadowy cabal of powerful peadophiles running the world, then you are basically helping them by associating it with lots of other ludicrous bollocks.