David Icke at Wembley last Saturday

Interesting article, hot off the press:

https://medium.com/@LoriHandrahan2/the-military-and-child-porn-5995c9aa4d2c

JHJ what do you think of the accusations that Lori Handrahan is mentally ill, and made up stories about her ex husband abusing their child?

History shows Britain has been active across Africa, the Middle East and Asia since way back.

that’s great, but you’re surely not trying to suggest the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and the Pope control China? what about Russia, Kazakhstan, Thailand, all places in which the Catholic Church and the English monarchy have bugger all influence?

and even that is taking it as read that the pope and queen control Europe and the African excolonies – which I think is highly reductionist.

you must be one of the last people in the UK to believe that the royal family is powerful – including within the royal family!

JHJ what do you think of the accusations that Lori Handrahan is mentally ill, and made up stories about her ex husband abusing their child?

Quite possibly a smear campaign, but even if legitimate, her research seems pretty solid.

As I’m sure you’re aware, many people suffer mental illness throughout their lives, including many celebrities… drawing attention to such matters is in bad taste.

I must say, scanning your posts, you don’t seem to display much sympathy for victims.

you must be one of the last people in the UK to believe that the royal family is powerful – including within the royal family!

Aye, ruling the worlds no.1 financial centre, several of the worlds wealthiest tax havens and sitting on the legacy of a global empire really has no consequence.

that’s great, but you’re surely not trying to suggest the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and the Pope control China? what about Russia, Kazakhstan, Thailand, all places in which the Catholic Church and the English monarchy have bugger all influence?

What about the intelligence services?

JHJ, you’ve accused me of being a coward, of having a lack of sympathy, others you’ve accused of being on powertrips…

d’you want to reign it in a bit chap?

It’s just a discussion, ok?

My bad, I didn’t mean to touch a nerve

I didn’t mean to touch a nerve

You accused him of not having sympathy for victims of sexual abuse and you didn’t mean it as an insult ?

How did you expect him to take it 🙄

drawing attention to such matters is in bad taste

You do know she has been found to have wrongly accused her ex husband on more than one occasion of sexually abusing their child and being mentally ill. Investigations found he had not and the only evidence of mental illness was hers. This is relevant and again shows you are incapable of processing data appropriately.
Disagreeing with an illogical fool with piss poor to no evidence is not being unsympathetic to the victims of sexual abuse it is disagreeing with you.

It is distasteful offensive and BS to suggest we dont care just because we question your ludicrous claims you cannot support.

ruling the worlds no.1 financial centre

I am a card carrying member of republic and would dissolve the crown tomorrow but that is ridiculous. the Monarch is not the ruler of the london financial centres and , though of course facts dont matter, New York is currently No 1 globally

My bad, I didn’t mean to touch a nerve

Is that an apology?

it seems so….sincere.

Edit: actually, I’ve just had a look through my post history on this thread, I’d like you to point out exactly where I’ve been unsympathetic to the victims of abuse.

jivehoneyjive – Member

Aye, ruling the worlds no.1 financial centre

The Queen rules the world’s no.1 financial centre ? ….. let’s hope she doesn’t wake up in a bad mood tomorrow morning !!!! 😆

Keep ’em coming honeyjive !

child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

PARKLIFE!

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Anyone remember ‘The White March’ ?
In 1996 over a quarter of a million Belgians took the streets of Brussels in protest of the Dutroux paedophile scandal .. It would be pretty hard to argue that the state wasn’t complicit in some sort of cover up .. Folk can engage in back and forth mudslinging all day but that won’t make the elephant in the room disappear ..

Anyhoo, back to business, dunno if you’re still out there noltae, but whilst I remember, here is a deep analysis of the alleged Dutroux cover up, which brings together a significant body of evidence.

(disclaimer for all you groovy pop pickers, I didn’t research or write this, but it appears credible, I take no responsibility for errors (or nightmares as it dawns on you that David Icke’s claims of child abuse being central to the control structures of power-mongers may be correct))

https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/dutroux/Belgian_X_dossiers_of_the_Dutroux_affair.htm

*I get the feeling most of the main commenters on this thread won’t actually take the time to read it, perhaps not even clicking the link…

………Eleven hours pass…….

So that’s Zero evidence then ?

Not that much[/i] of a surprise really 🙄

Personally I would rather focus on your factual error but I am not surprised you want to shoot of on a tangent rather than face the reality of your own ludicrous claims- even you know that one is pish.

As for your link not even a childish goad will get me to read another one of your piss poor links. I suspect, eventually, one will have some credibility but I have given up reading you nonsense just as you have given up , my mistake you never actually started, replying to challenges we all call FACTS

Nice to see you are both so concerned for the children!

I seem to recall earlier in the thread neal you mentioned you had only clicked one of my many links; I’m a bit loathe to go to the trouble of compiling evidence if you are too lazy to read it, however, this link (already provided) should go some way to meeting the context you seek:

https://medium.com/@LoriHandrahan2/the-military-and-child-porn-5995c9aa4d2c

Do you ever listen to Nerd alert on Radio 1 Junky?

Some of the stuff you come out with reminds me of it for some reason.

Anyhoo, enough of this banter, it’s bed time you lovely people, see you soon, keep bringing love light and laughter into the world 😉

Nice to see you are both so concerned for the children!

So now anyone who asks for evidence of your bullshit claims get accused of having no sympathy for victims of sexual abuse ?

I guess your “apology” for doing exactly the same thing an hour ago was as genuine as most of your conspiracy claims then.

I seem to recall earlier in the thread neal you mentioned you had only clicked one of my many links; I’m a bit loathe to go to the trouble of compiling evidence if you are too lazy to read it

Funny, whenever you’re asked to provide factual, peer-reviewed evidence, your inevitable response is ‘don’t you know how to use Google’.

That’s about the most accurate thing I’ve ever seen you post.

Aye, ruling the worlds no.1 financial centre, several of the worlds wealthiest tax havens and sitting on the legacy of a global empire really has no consequence.

I don’t think the Queen actually has that much power over British party politics, let alone over global capitalism. if you run a tax haven, you don’t make much money because you don’t raise a lot of tax.

you’re surely not trying to suggest the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and the Pope control China? what about Russia, Kazakhstan, Thailand, all places in which the Catholic Church and the English monarchy have bugger all influence?

What about the intelligence services?

I don’t understand what you’re asking. are you suggesting that the British and Papal intelligence services control China, Russia, Kazakhstan and Thailand (for example)?

it seems incongruous that theories that want to explain the way in which the world is run are so parochial and focused on a small part of the world.

(by the way, I notice your responses to my questions were respectively sarcasm and asking another question. I think this is because you don’t have answers to them that satisfy even you).

I’ve been lurking on this thread for some time…. I thought I’d speak up before the inevitable lock!

This has been a real eye opener – not in terms of content, but as an insight into the nature of conspiracy-theorizing

I’ll just leave this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory (some good linked articles too)

If you’re short on time, just skip to the “Why people believe” and “Psychological origins” sections (and associated articles)…. puts some things into perspective.

Personally I’d be quite interested in a thread that discussed why people believe in certain conspiracies rather than the conspiracy itself.

It’s an interesting subject matter. Admittedly not quite interesting enough for me to bother starting a thread on it.

@piemonster – it’s undergraduate psychology stuff that

There’s a simple experiment you can do:
– Draw up a questionnaire about belief in conspiracies or other “alternative” belief systems, e.g. the supernatural. This allows you to score participants on how sceptical (or not) they are.
– Then draw up some questions to assess participants’ ability to estimate probability, e.g. how likely is that your kid would share a birthday with another kid in their class (it’s more likely than you’d think).
– Now compare the scores. What you typically see is that higher levels of belief (you could call it “credulousness”) are inversely correlated with ability to estimate probability, i.e. people who believe in conspiracies aren’t very good at estimating probability.

The accepted explanation is that human beings often over-estimate how unlikely things are, i.e. they see a coincidence as indicative of some deeper structure or meaning rather than what it is, just one of those things. I think that’s usually due to not taking into account how many other situations did not result in the positive finding (sampling bias).

A bit more reading on statistics, particularly w.r.t. observational research, and a bit less obsessing about alien lizards would be of great benefit to some people. Mind you, it would also make for a very boring thread.

Nice to see you are both so concerned for the children!

Questioning your ludicrous claims is not to show a lack of concern for the victims of child abuse – its offensive and a non sequitur.
It also shows you cannot recognise data, form a conclusion nor recognise the truth.Your claims are as stupid as your personal attacks are ludicrous

Jive your last link really undermines your argument governments publicly exposing and cracking down on the viewing of porn “possibly even child porn” on state computers. Any one with a job where computers are used will be able to explain to you there are issues with computer misuse. If your theory was correct surely government would not be publicly cracking down on it but tacitly allowing it recording it and then using the information to coerce and control.

there you go with your rational and cogent arguments again
Pfft.

Yes, but did you read all those people who got prosecuted for looking at child porn on government computers?

That is clear proof that the government encourages employees to watch child porn and doesn’t prosecute them.

Erm…

The bigger concern for me is that, according to that link, people who work at the Pentagon are stupid enough to not only browse child porn at work, but apparently happily provide their government email addresses and credit card details to illegal nonce sites.

Yes that did seem strange as surely no one is that daft.
We did have employees who used work for ebay and betting sites so who knows!!!

If your theory was correct surely government would not be publicly cracking down on it but tacitly allowing it recording it and then using the information to coerce and control.

A possible explanation is: once it’s been exposed, they have to be seen to be doing something about it, until it blows over.

I feel I should be being paid for all this; if you really wanted the full story, you’d have bought a ticket to David Icke at Wembley 😉

If anyone’s primary reason for being here is because they want to argue on the internet, surely there’s a new wheel size, BB standard or special saddle for your gooch coming out soon? 😆

I feel I should be being paid for all this; if you really wanted the full story, you’d have bought a ticket to David Icke at Wembley

So getting back to David Icke, how do our reptilian rulers so convincingly hide the fact that they are reptiles ?

And how come our Royal Family have spent so much time over the years skiing in Klosters when they should have been hibernating ? I have never heard of a reptile, or any cold-blooded animal for that matter, frolicking in the snow.

If you’re asking me, I refer you to this previous post:

Lizards!! ***king Lizards!!

Are you nuts?

I appreciate this is a David Icke thread, but maybe we have a major misunderstanding prevailing here.

I never said a damn thing about lizards, that is bonkers!!

That’ll be 25p please 😉

-How do reptilians maintain a disguise etc?
-How is child abuse central to the control structures of the elite?

David Icke explains it in a book you can read

I DON’T WANNA HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY!!!

You coincidence theorists are an odd bunch.

I refer you to this previous post

So you accept most of what David Icke says except the bit about the reptiles ?

But isn’t “we are being ruled by extraterrestrial reptiles” fairly central to the whole David Icke conspiracy theory ?

And if he’s “bonkers” when he’s talking about extraterrestrial reptiles how come he’s perfectly sane when he’s talking about pedophile conspiracy theories ?

How can we tell when he’s gone from his bonkers mode to his sane mode ?

You coincidence theorists are an odd bunch.

What coincidence is that……..that the Queen doesn’t look anything like a reptile ? That coincidence ?

How can we tell when he’s gone from his bonkers mode to his sane mode ?

I think this is how most conspiracy theories work. Interlace the bonkers with some facts, half truths, and dodgy rumours and when anybody questions the bonkers bit point to a verifiable fact. Then extrapolate a half truth to substantiate the rumour. Short step to bonkers from this point.

Anyway, as the fireman said to the explosives expert. “Pull it”

How can we tell when he’s gone from his bonkers mode to his sane mode ?

Research, you should try it some time…

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For what it’s worth, until recently I thought it was all ridiculous; my initial reaction when Jimmy Savile was exposed was that it was just ‘victims’ attention seeking and trying to get compensation.

Then I did my research…

“How can we tell when he’s gone from his bonkers mode to his sane mode ?”

Research, you should try it some time…

So you can tell when David Icke is bonkers and when he’s sane because of your research, are you some sort of psychiatrist then ?

My knowledge of mental disorders is very limited, would you suggest I just trust your judgement instead?