- chris king or hope?
I’ve just stuck a s/h King on one of my bikes. It’s silky smooth.Posted 8 years ago
But then again, so was the £25 Cane Creek S3 that has been on there for the last 4 years. (And will go on another bike).
Honestly…unless I come across a bargain I’d not pay full wack for a King.
Not overly impressed with the Hope I have on another bike either.dyna-tiMember
Chris king would be my choice,and its got nothing to do with ‘fashion’.
I think King make a better H/S than hope.
Thats not to say hope dont make a top quality one,they do,in fact nearly all their products are top notch.
Its just i believe king know more about headsets than a manufacturer that specialises in brakes.For starters they’ve been making them far longer and to the same design,so that must count for something.
Another point is when you want something new and decide to sell it.CK will sell for a very good price.
Mind you ,it can be fashionable to disagree with the norm 😉Posted 8 years agoshortcutSubscriber
CK almost every time. 4 bikes in the shed. 3 with CK. My oldest was bought second hand about 5 years ago and is still going strong and very smooth.
The others having been in my posession for almost as long on various bikes without fault. If you buy one and get a sensible price you won’t regret it. Plus you can hand it down to your grandchildren!Posted 8 years agomyfatherwasawolfMember
Hope are not as long lasting as CK full stop. The newer Hopes are allegedly better than the original ones which were a bit hit or miss. That said I had exactly this decision to make last week, but there were no black CKs in stock, so I got a Hope and got on with my life!Posted 8 years agoahwilesSubscriber
+1 for the cane creek s3.
MUCH better seals / design than the hope i’ve also got. but less than half the price.
The s3 bearings have 2 seals at each end before you get to the sealed bearings, my hope headset has a delicate lip seal that has let no end of gritty rubbish through.
Cane creek s3: – 2 years old, looked at once, reasembled with no maintainence. still running like new (smooth and silent).
hope wotsit: 3 months old, full of grit, never ending tlc. needs new bearings.
The problem with the cane creek s3 is that no-one will ever say:
‘ooo – an s3!’
we should be more excited by cheap stuff that works well.Posted 8 years ago
I’ve had both, the Hope is in the bin, the CK is still on the bike(three different frames) nearly ten years on and super smooth, with one grease up about two years ago. The Hope lasted almost two years, at £60 as opposed to the £100 King – which is still good after almost ten years, it doesn’t represent particularly good value, or prudence to get the Hope.
I wouldn’t ever buy a Hope headset again, the new ones are a bad design too, I had one of those as well, a standard FSA type set up but with lots of seals, EXTERNAL vulnerable seals which won’t last like a King. The bearing showed signs of spinning in the cup as well, if you follow Hope’s guidlines of packing all the contact and other surfaces with grease. Which is the only way they can attempt to waterproof it. When I took it apart after a couple of winter rides to service the fork, the headset had water between all the components, and there are quite a few in the Hope, this is when I noticed the evidence of the bearing race spinning in the ali cup – yes it was fitted correctly. I have a King on that bike now, second hand and of course it’s faultless – fit and forget.
I wish I could say otherwise, and be patriotic, but they are sh!te from my experience.Posted 8 years ago
Its just i believe king know more about headsets than a manufacturer that specialises in brakes.
Are headsets really that complicated? If King really know so much them how come their design doesn’t seem to fair well with long travel forks?
I’ve used CK ones in the past and the bearings haven’t been any better sealed than the cheaper FSA ones I now use instead….Posted 8 years agophiljuniorMember
I’ve had a hope (early one) and it’s lasted great, been on the same bike 7 years, 6 of which it was my all year round MTB, ridden regularly in very muddy conditions and hosed down before being left to rot in the shed. It’s still running fine.
I’ve heard good things about Cane Creek headsets, so got 2 S8’s for £30 each (to go on different bikes so I can swap forks around more easily and because both the current headsets are fooked) after a bit of searching round on the internet, as my budget at the moment wouldn’t stretch as far as Hope even at the mo.Posted 8 years agonuttysquirrelSubscriber
Never used Hopes but Kings are worth it (never thought i would say that!). I’ve got mine free for buying bikes I don’t need for wife, sister etc. but I would still buy one at RRP because they’re a great saving!!! You don’t have to be a mathematician to understand how much Cane Creek and FSA were gaining from me every few months.Posted 8 years agotrail pixieMember
i have both king hubs,and hope,king are quality,light,strong,expensive and sound like a buzz saw,hope are the same but cheaper and the aftermarket care is second to none.on two occasions i sent the my rear hub back to hope for a service when they were totally dead,new internals etc,both times they replaced the freehub for no charge,just the servicing and bearings.my friend had the same thing happen to him.king headsets are the only one you’ll ever need.mine has’nt had a total service since i got it 4 years ago,just light re-greasing it’s spot on,well worth the cash,either way king or hope you can’t go wrongPosted 8 years agoInzaneMember
I have a king. It creaks on my 5-spot with 36’s. I have worked as a cycle mech the world over and know about correctly facing frames, installing headsets and what torque to tighten the headset to.
Looking into this further it becomes clear. There is no wedge that locks the top cap of the King in place, unlike Cane Creek who have the patent on the technology, and all the companies who use the cane creak licensed technology. The King simply has an o-ring to keep it centered. With the forces on a long travel fork the o-ring can be compressed leading to the top cap moving in relation to the spacer or stem sitting on top of it. As soon as there is any grit at this interface, then creaking occurs.
Bearings etc will still be fine. Headset still works fine as long as you can put up with the creaking. I went about 6 months of summer riding without it creaking. As soon as winter hit and I was back into wet riding it has started creaking away again…
Next time I would buy a high end Cane Creek headset.
Actually, this article here explains it better. http://www.pvdwiki.com/index.php?title=The_BEST_HeadsetPosted 8 years agobonesetterMember
Very well explained – the problem is made alot worse with 29er’s and long forks, as I found.
CK do say though the o ring needs anual replacement, but still it’s the design which needs improving.
The Hope does have the split compression ring in the steerer tube which is very good, and alot better than the KingPosted 8 years ago
Your two posts seem somewhat contradictory ChrisS, but if that’s your experience…..10 year warranty on the CK, hope (no pun intended) that you made use of that.
Inzane, sounds a very valid explanation there on using long travel forks, I run 140 Vans on my 5 spot so, not quite in the same territory. I did go through a period with my old Blur of creaking headset (same headset of course). I was finding, in hot dusty conditions over time, that a small amount of grit/dust must have been getting onto the crown race taper, as when I cleaned this the creaking would dissapear.Posted 8 years ago
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