Cameron and the Pig

With Prime-Ministerial porcine pokeage in the papers, you’d be forgiven for thinking that something else important might have been missed from the news yesterday as we were all preoccupied.

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That came up yesterday.

If he’s ‘allowed’ the pig thing to appear to cover up the school meals removal he’s gone above and beyond in the ‘taking one for the team’ stakes.

Let’s get one thing straight, there is not a snowballs chance in hell this story or its “fallout” will cause Cameron to resign or face a leadership challenge. Zero.

Erm, if it turns out that Cameron was guilty of a barefaced lie to Parliament when he claimed that he hadn’t known about Ashcroft’s tax status it will certainly weaken him politically. Any political blows like that will hasten his departure.

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let’s face it apart from this “revelation” who would be remotely interested in a book about his political career ?

Quite a lot of people. Weren’t you aware that books about senior politicians are often bestsellers ?

My point being that there are other things in the news that require popular outrage to be directed against them.

While the thought of our PM squirming at the thought of some dark secret being revealed fills me with schadenfreude, I’d like to see George Osborne being grilled for hitting poor families again.

No one’s outraged by the pig thing though. Just enjoying it 🙂

The other stuff it’s what’s attracting their ire.

jambalaya – Member
Let’s get one thing straight, there is not a snowballs chance in hell this story or its “fallout” will cause Cameron to resign or face a leadership challenge. Zero.

unless the alleged photographic evidence actually turns up

how many days is the mail serialising this for? I wonder what they are saving for the Mail on Sunday?

I wonder what they are saving for the Mail on Sunday

The full spit roast?

George Osborne (also of Eton..)

from the Leveller

Not so! He went to St Pauls and therefore had the sobriquet ‘Oik’ Osborne, bestowed on him by the imperious Etonian members of the Bullingdon.

Here we have a man who’ll happily **** a dead pig, in order to get into an exclusive club at uni.

Well ~20 year old so not really a man and TBH I’ve heard far worse at Uni’s.

As for that schools meal policy, it was always rubbish and more of a sop to the Lib Dems. I’m not surprised to see it binned at all.

dragon – Member
Well ~20 year old so not really a man and TBH I’ve heard far worse at Uni’s.

I went to university in rural wales and took a fairly large amount of drugs, Im not aware of anyone getting sucked off by the head of a dead pig or similar

As for that schools meal policy, it was always rubbish and more of a sop to the Lib Dems. I’m not surprised to see it binned at all.

now we know you are trolling

I’m not surprised to see it binned at all.

Even though they made a commitment only a few months ago before the general election not to ‘bin it’ ?

You’ve got a very low opinion of the Tories dragon.

No one’s outraged by the pig thing though. Just enjoying it

Some Vegans are a bit upset, there’s not enough consideration being shown for the dignity of the pig.

As for that schools meal policy, it was always rubbish and more of a sop to the Lib Dems. I’m not surprised to see it binned at all.

Meanwhile, up here in civilisation, my daughter still gets free school meals along with everyone else in her class. Because well-fed kids learn better.

What PJM said plus this No one more releived at #Piggate than IDS

I thought this was a good read about why it matters:
http://theleveller.org/2015/09/british-really-laughing/

Warning – contains jhj content 🙂

As for that schools meal policy, it was always rubbish and more of a sop to the Lib Dems. I’m not surprised to see it binned at all.

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Healthy, well fed and attentative kids, not fizzing with sugar and other rubbish. Such a crap idea eh? Not to mention all the money that had to be spent on setting up the infrastructure to deliver it. On a personal note that’s me down £400 a year.

It strikes me that the pigs head isn’t the only think that has been ****ed.

They also quietly sold off a chunk of the NHS to a US company and paid back that EU debt in full… the one that they said they wouldn’t just before the election.

Can’t wait to read the story about Boris punching a zebra the day that they shaft us with something else.

Ashcroft knows Cameron won’t sue so he can do what he wants with impunity.

How long before a “full and earnest” review of Ashcrofts tax status and dealings?

Never – Ashcroft isn’t the only political donor with interesting tax arrangements.

Never – Ashcroft isn’t the only political donor with interesting tax arrangements.

But the only one who’s tried to rattle the PMs cage….

Only one in 1,000 children who gets free school meals ends up making it to Oxbridge, while in contrast most children who enjoy Eton’s delicious school meals make it.

Which I think proves dragon’s point that the policy of free school meals is rubbish.

Probably NSFW:

Cameron’s generation is the last that won’t have already published the damning evidence of their youthful, errm, indiscretions themselves.

the lack of a robust denial does seem odd, maybe damien has a point

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/22/david-cameron-advisers-piggate-spin-doctor

Perhaps the “what’s the truth?” conversation with the prime minister wasn’t as clear cut as they might have liked, and they had no option but to let the story run, let everyone have their fun, and get on with the business of governing. Better that than officially denying the story and creating a much bigger problem for themselves if the alleged photographic evidence of the pig incident did emerge.

Hence the official line that the prime minister’s spokeswoman issued yesterday, saying they would not dignify the book’s claims with a response, almost word-for-word the quote I used routinely in my old job when responding to an allegation in a book that I knew to be true,

I went to university in rural wales and took a fairly large amount of drugs, Im not aware of anyone getting sucked off by the head of a dead pig or similar

Me neither. I went to a comprehensive and we had to make do with a cheesy bap.

wwaswas – what were you googling????

*looks a bit shifty*

It was on this twitter:

https://twitter.com/michaeljhudson

although I’ve since seen it with ‘this Aladdin remake is a bit low rent’ as a title, which I prefer 🙂

He (David Cameron) told the 300 guests that he had had to go to hospital earlier in the day for a bad back, the result of some over-energetic wood chopping in his constituency at the weekend.
The surgeon told Mr Cameron that he would need an injection and asked him to lie on his front.
The doctor then said: “This will just be a little prick, just a stab in the back.”
Which, the prime minister said, “rather summed up my day”.

That is very drole

Well ~20 year old so not really a man and TBH I’ve heard far worse at Uni’s.

Out of interest can you give us some examples of far worse antics.

Also does anyone on here know of anyone at Uni or elsewhere who decided that shagging dead animals whilst their mates stared at your bits was a good idea. Personally I have a lot of Uni/Forces/Rubgy mates who were wildly out of control and none of them ever did anything comparable to this.

whilst their mates stared at your bits

*photographed your bits. Iftfy.

Some Vegans are a bit upset, there’s not enough consideration being shown for the dignity of the pig

True this as tbh you meat eaters sure do treat those animals you kill for food with massive levels of respect. i have always admired this in you.

the lack of a robust denial does seem odd, maybe damien has a point

One cannot deny the truth

TBH most folk would be rather outraged if someone suggested they did this and I would certainly be having my day in court with anyone who says this of me.
IMHO its just an admission it is true and they cannot say otherwise.

unless the alleged photographic evidence

..and on the subject of things this thread is useless without. This will just have to do meantime

kimbers – Member

the lack of a robust denial does seem odd

Even odder is the fact that the book’s 2 authors haven’t claimed that the story is true. But you want Cameron to deny something which no one has claimed is true? Now that is odd.

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Junkyard – lazarus

I would certainly be having my day in court with anyone who says this of me.
IMHO its just an admission it is true and they cannot say otherwise.

Who would you be taking to court……the unnamed person who claims only to have seen a photograph purporting to show Cameron with his knob in a pig’s head, and who the author of the book claim they have been unable to contact to establish what his views on publishing the allegation are?

This is what the co-author of the book Isabel Oakeshott has said : “We were very careful in the way in which we worded the story and it’s up to people to decide whether they think it’s true or not – we don’t say whether we believe it to be true.”

Why do you think Ashcroft is stupid enough to leave himself open to successful libel action?

Always struggle with links in my tablet but have a look at @jimllpaintit on twitter.

the lack of a robust denial does seem odd, maybe damien has a point

What’s also interesting is the way the Downing Street response has shown us a bit about how out of touch they are. Presumably they’ve not been able to focus group the question “what would you think about the PM if it turned out he’d played hide the sausage with a pig? a) top lad, great banter, b) we’ve all been there, or c) WTF is wrong with you?” so they have no idea how non-lizard human people are likely to respond. Hence the sight of Toby Young trying to claim that he “comes out of all this rather well” and “it just shows how normal he is” – they just don’t know any better.

The paper would be the only possible target for a libel action, unless Ashcroft starts getting lairy on Twitter or something.

Cameron would be mad to go to court IMO.

Presumably they’ve not been able to focus group the question “what would you think about the PM if it turned out he’d played hide the sausage with a pig? a) top lad, great banter, b) we’ve all been there, or c) WTF is wrong with you?” so they have no idea how non-lizard human people are likely to respond.

The question has been asked :

A YouGov poll, which was conducted between 21 and 22 September, discovered British voters did not care about the claims. The online survey, of more than 2,600 people, also found only 25% of voters thought Lord Ashcroft’s claims constituted a “legitimate public interest story” and 62% thought the allegations “couldn’t matter less”.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/david-cameron-hits-back-lord-153738161.html#ODHVze1

What’s also interesting is the way the Downing Street response has shown us a bit about how out of touch they are.

Alternatively, if* it indicates that the Prime Minister thinks there are more important things for his press officials to deal with than ancient stories about him, then it would be quite refreshing. Governments shouldn’t be obsessed with what is in the papers and if they are not that is a good thing.

* note the conditional, I am merely noting this alternative analysis.

This reminds me of the guy I was at school with who caught a fish (bass), gutted it, and looked at the empty, smooth and slimy part where the guts had been removed from and proceeded to…

were you there obleix? or are you merely recounting the story from someone who might have taken a picture of it but now can’t be found?