Hi everyone,

I currently ride a Pitch 2010 in medium and love it but have found that being 6’2 I (more so my back) need a large for the uphills. Whilst searching the depths of the internet for large frames I realised that the geometry has changed in the 2011 models. I thought that it was just due to the head angle etc with the longer fork but it seems that from the 2008-10 models the BB has dropped by a whole 11mm. I run offset bushings on mine so I’m sure it works out fairly similarly.

Here are the geometries of both, copied from the Specialized website.

2008 – 10 Models

Size S M L XL
Seat Tube Length – Center to Top 421mm 444mm 483mm 533mm
Top Tube Length (Horizontal) 565mm 586mm 620mm 645mm
Top Tube Length (Actual) 553mm 574mm 606mm 632mm
Chainstay Length 421mm 421mm 421mm 421mm
Bottom Bracket Height – Low Setting 356mm 356mm 356mm 356mm
Seat Tube Angle (Actual) – Low Setting 71.9° 71.9° 71.9° 71.9°
Seat Tube Angle (Effective) – Low Setting 74° 74° 74° 74°
Head Tube Angle – Low Setting 67° 67° 67° 67°
Standover Height 742mm 748mm 759mm 765mm
Head Tube Height 102mm 108mm 128mm 150mm
Handlebar Width 660mm 660mm 660mm 660mm
Stem Length 60mm 75mm 75mm 90mm
Crank Length 170mm 175mm 175mm 175mm
Seatpost Length 350mm 350mm 400mm 400mm

2011 Model

Size S M L XL
Seat Tube Length – Center to Top 420mm 444mm 484mm 535mm
Top Tube Length (Horizontal) 565mm 586mm 620mm 645mm
Top Tube Length (Actual) 553mm 574mm 606mm 632mm
Chainstay Length 423mm 423mm 423mm 423mm
Bottom Bracket Height – Low Setting 345mm 345mm 345mm 345mm
Seat Tube Angle (Actual) – Low Setting 73° 73° 73° 73°
Seat Tube Angle (Effective) – Low Setting 76° 76° 76° 76°
Head Tube Angle – Low Setting 67° 67° 67° 67°
Wheel Base 1138mm 1159mm 1196mm 1223mm
Standover Height 740mm 752mm 759mm 765mm
Head Tube Height 102mm 108mm 128mm 150mm
Handlebar Width 720mm 720mm 720mm 720mm
Stem Length 60mm 60mm 75mm 90mm
Crank Length 170mm 175mm 175mm 175mm
Seatpost Length 350mm 350mm 400mm 400mm
Stack 575mm 581mm 600mm 620mm
Reach 428mm 446mm 475mm 495mm
Ground-Top 904mm 910mm 926mm 948mm

Anyway getting to the point.

Has anyone ridden both the 2008-10 and the 2011 models? Is there a noticeable difference in the frame? I’m trying do decide between the older and newer geometry.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks a lot,

Huw

They didn’t change the frame, it was just the fork and tyres that changed, some of the older spesh tyres could be really tall, easily enough to drop 11mm.

And don’t forget fashion, easy enough to lie in one spec or the other as people accepted/demanded lower BB’s, just re-measure the bike with small tyres, just like weights rarely have any basis on reality.

I’m 6ft and just sold my medium for similar reasons, and it just wasn’t being used enough. Sorely tempted to pick up a large.

Oh brilliant! Is that why? That makes my decision a lot easier! Now which colour…. haha

You should do, they’re brilliant bikes! You should have a look at offset bushings too if you haven’t already.

Cheers!

Now which colour

Buy an old blue comp model, they barely sell on ebay for more than the frame’s and bin the bits, then get it sprayed. Flamejob off here had a white one with white 36’s and a ti coil spring, and it looked jawdroppingly good.

That sounds like a plan to me! I’m thinking of a more stealthy look. If only they had tapered head tubes for some new pikes.

They quote different chainstay lengths and despite one having a bb lower by 11mm there is only a 2mm difference in standover.

See that’s what I thought! I’m glad you think so too. Surely the frame measurements/geo are conducted from the frame alone, apart from all of the components.

difference in standover.

I’m sticking with my first answer, and adding and where would you measure the standover? It’s such a U-shaped top tube that if you lowered the rear by 11mm or so, and raised the front by a similar ammount it would probably even out anyway.

Easy enough too to move the point front/back a bit, measure chainstays horisontaly, or actualy, static or sagged at either. I had a green one from new, and was told at the time it was the same as the ‘old’ one appart from the forks jacking the front up slightly. The spesh manual even referenced it as 2008-2011 (or whatever the dates were) so they weren’t distinguishing between them.

They only ran it for a year in green, if it really was a ‘new’ frame I think they’d have run it much longer, especialy as it was getting such good press, whereas retireing it at 4 year sold seems more likely.

Flamejob off here had a white one with white 36’s and a ti coil spring, and it looked jawdroppingly good.

Aww shucks!

I’m 5’11” and mine’s a small. I adore this bike and have had several others in the mean time (including an Intense and a SB66) and its still my fave. I went to Mont St Anne on it for the World Cup a few weeks ago and rode the mountain. Love it.

I might write the story of it because the latest is I rebuilt it before MSA from this:

(yes, those are Met Police evidence bags and tags…

[url=https://flic.kr/p/ogycET]IMG_4739[/url] by flamejob, on Flickr

Looks intriguing, do tell…..

If you were going to raise the front you would have to drop the rear by quite a bit more than 11 mm to achieve an 11mm drop in bb.

Also if you dropped the rear and raised the front it would change the head tube angle.

I don’t mean to call you a liar, but it does not make sense to me.

But that said I do know the genius of marketing men. (And women)

/\ Spreads more easily! LOL