[Closed] Bloody americans, coming over here and shooting our goats

^^Second from the left? The one with teh evil eyes 👀

Funny looking sheep.

Nope. The one on the right with the cankles.

"I know which one I’d rather eat."

They're both pretty nice tbh

You mean the staged for TV stuff?

They stage stuff for TV?!? Oh noes, that must mean everything on the show never happens anywhere else then.

Oh but it does.

Ok, you're obviously an expert. I'll take your word for it.

We get venison from that's come from deer that's been killed to keep the numbers down in Macc forest.   There's a team of rangers out every night shooting the wild boar in the FOD as they are completely out of control.  The goats on the Great Orme cause devastation to the surrounding properties. We live in a country where the largest predator is a fox, so these large mammals populations.  It's not like she's shooting a rhino or a tiger.  If they can bring money into the economy for something that needs doing anyhow good on them.

I don't get the photos especially the one with the sheep  but it's part of their hunting culture.

There are deer in Macc Forest? Live about a mile away, have been cycling there for the last seven years and I’ve never seen one. Every day is a school day. I’m going off piste to find them this weekend.

Why is it always white blonde women who seem to get in the news for this?

I most often night ride on the forest and always see deer.  The most ive seen us about 20 on the cycle path down from the benches at the top of the white rabbit.  They ran in front of me for  about 200 yards it was amazing.  They'll be rutting in a few weeks, you can hear them for miles.

I've seen them in the fields around Langley and I think that's when they try and cull them to keep them within the forest.

Meh, i've been veggie my entire adult life and i can't see what the outpouring of social media grief is all about, i'm perfectly happy for rich idiots to pay handsomely to shoot animals that need culling such as the galloway goats and red deer population that live close to me, they are going to be shot/culled anyway so it makes perfect sense to raise additional funds whilst controlling their numbers, although shooting is a bit ott though for goats and rams, it would be just as easy to walk up to a goat whilst offering it a bag of monster munch and give it a dunt on the back of the head with a hammer.

She’s a massive cockwomble for wearing camouflage too.

I'm not sure that is newsworthy though - I could show you dozens of people in camo gear any weekend in Scotland.  Admittedly she might be the first woman.

£10 says I could walk up to a goat or sheep whilst dressed as a clown and juggling and still kill it with ease. Hunting my arse.

I'll take your bet.  It has to be a feral Scottish goat though, not some farm animal.  Please post the video of your successful clown antics and I'll happily send you a tenner.   So as not to offend the internet I don't need you to kill it - just touch it with your hand.

I was visiting a friend in NZ in 2005 and we set off from Arrowtown with mountain bikes and a sporterised .303 SMLE for a 4-5 day combo gold mine visiting - goat stalking trip. The abandoned gold mining towns were great but we didn’t pot a single goat as they were wily AF. They seemed to know exactly what days our permit was active and on what land we weren’t allowed to shoot, so congregating there to mock-bleat in our general direction! We never even got close. Feral goats are/were a big problem on South Island due to degradation of indigenous flora and I’d have had no qualms.

You’ve ruined it Welsh farmer I was waiting for his answer but cheers for pointing out to him it’s pretty much no different to an abatoir.

I have to disagree with this. I've seen the stress the animals go through to get to an abattoir, and I've (unfortunately) seen a sheep take a quick bullet to the back of the head. The latter was instant - the former was not.

I know which I'd prefer if I were the animal.

FWIW, I don't buy meat any more. I don't think anyone should if they're queasy about the idea of animal suffering.

I most often night ride on the forest and always see deer.  The most ive seen us about 20 on the cycle path down from the benches at the top of the white rabbit

Sorry for the derailment folks. I ride in the day which might explain it. Honestly can’t believe I’ve never seen any. I’m blaming Hope and their noisy hubs,

I’ll take your bet.  It has to be a feral Scottish goat though

How will I know it’s Scottish, do they bleat with an accent?

Cant see what the issue is she shot some animals that can be eaten, was hardly a Giraffe or  a Lion or a Bear was it.

I shot a goat once and I've been to abatoirs a few times, I know how I'd rather be dispatched if I was a sheep or a goat, especially a feral goat that had never been handled.

Wow Drac, you have shocked me. I would have thought you were a bit more grounded than that.

The industrialized killing of animals for human consumption, is just what it says on the tin. The end result - a dead animal, is pretty much the same and being shot on a Scottish Island.

However there is suffering caused by how we make it more convenient for ourselves.

Like Soma I've been a vegetarian for since my teens, 30 plus years.  That's my choice. If you want to eat meat that's ok, it's your choice. But be realistic about the process. Pigs are smart animals, they know the sound of another pig suffering. That's what they will hear at a slaughter house.

Ok back to the original point. She makes a living by advertisers paying money for attention. So that's what she is giving them. Looks **** to me thou.

She’s a massive cockwomble for wearing camouflage too

Think of it as a sort of uniform. The Americans wear camo to go hunting, its like wearing trainers even though you're not doing sports. Or at the risk of another argument, a helmet to ride to the shops, you (probably) don't need it, it doesn't really effect your ability to ride the bike but plenty of people do it because wearing a helmet is just what people do when they ride a bike.

Pigs don't suffer all that much since asphyxiation by CO2 is the general method used to kill them (hence why the recent shortage was such a big deal). They just go to sleep.

There are also ways to design abbatoirs to be far less stressful and more humane but that still doesn't get around the fact the animals have to be transported there in the first place.

Camo - good luck hunting in anything else. If any statement is going to out you as someone with no clue about what it is they're commenting on this is it. Cockwomble indeed.

How will I know it’s Scottish, do they bleat with an accent?

It’ll call you a baaaaaastard

Wow Drac, you have shocked me. I would have thought you were a bit more grounded than that.

The industrialized killing of animals for human consumption, is just what it says on the tin. The end result – a dead animal, is pretty much the same and being shot on a Scottish Island.

I've seen both, I use to shoot years ago too neither or exactly pleasant or clean evrrytime.  I've also seen sheep dipstached on the farm and again it's not all joyful and happy experience for the animal as they're not stunned first and it can also fail first time.

Eating meat means you kind of have accept that the animals haven't had a great end to their lives, you can be comfortable with that or become a vegetarian/vegan. I choose to live with it but reaslistic enough killing an animal either way is not pleasent. However killing a sheep is hardly hunting or a sport.

The reason she’s dressed in camo is the same reason some of us on here dress in neon flouro enduro pyjamas to go for a bike ride in the woods.

It’s gives her an erection?

However killing a sheep is hardly hunting or a sport.

Again, that comes back to context. If its feral then good luck getting it any other way.

Like other's here, I find the pictures of the two hunters posing with the dead goats quite absurd. However, the goats are on an island, their numbers need to be kept under control, these folk are paying good money into the local economy to do that, and quite frankly, I'd rather they went out and shot a goat, than a Lion or a Tiger.

When you read the woman's actual tweet thingy at the bottom of the pictures, she's making a big point of highlighting the equipment she used. She's advertising her sponsor's (or potential sponsor's) kit in these pictures that are aimed at a niche audience, it's her job to post this sort of stuff to social media. No matter how ludicrous it looks to me, there'll be someone out there with a stack of money thinking that Islay is their next stop for a bit of shooting action.

I'm struggling to get worked up about it. If it was a picture of my mate Bazz, sitting at the edge of a pond with a 7kg Trout in his arms, and the caption...."Look what I just bagged at Wellside Farm fishery with my Shimano reel and Diawa rod"*, I'd be thinking, "Where's me Trout fillet ya jammy git". I'd struggle to be outraged in all honest. I don't see the difference between popping off a Goat or  Deer with a gun, or pulling a fish out of the water on the end of a rod.

Forgive me if I'm exhibiting moral bankruptcy, but I really can't get outraged about this.

C.

* Awaiting sponsorship calls

Pigs don’t suffer all that much since asphyxiation by CO2 is the general method used to kill them (hence why the recent shortage was such a big deal). They just go to sleep.

There's a video somewhere of pigs in a slaughterhouse being killed with CO2. They quite clearly do not enjoy the experience. They don't just go to sleep.

Apparently pigs are very sensitive to CO2.

Pigs don’t suffer all that much since asphyxiation by CO2 is the general method used to kill them (hence why the recent shortage was such a big deal). They just go to sleep.

Not true. Try and hold your breath for as long as you can - just before you give up, that feeling of having to take a breath isn't lack of oxygen but the build up of CO2 (hypercapnia) which you can overcome by taking a breath and expelling the CO2 / rebalancing the O2 to CO2 ratio.

But if you're breathing CO2, that won't rebalance and yet you still have enough O2 in your system to stay conscious for a while. So you are simultaneous desperately breathing with no effect, making the process very stressful even if it's for a short period.

Inert gases like nitrogen have the effect you describe - the concentration of O2 in your system drops until you become 'drunk', then drowsy, then fall asleep and then die. Some US states are investigating it as a new execution method, and it's well known among jet pilots, etc., as a result of failing cabin air pressure (there was a case a few years back where the pilot became disorientated so quickly he just carried on flying rather than descend to higher O2 atmosphere, and also why they say fit your own mask before helping others - the time to fit others masks might be long enough for you to forget why you need to fit yours)

Positive note - if you want to impress your kids by swimming lengths of a swimming pool underwater, start by doing some deep, slow inhale/exhales to push as much CO2 out as you can before a final breath and swim. Also adds to the theatre, as if you're about to perform something truly death defying!!

I've got an article written in the 1940s about bow hunting for wild sheep and goats in the Rockies.

Apparently they were considered a really tough animal to hunt because of the terrain and because wild sheep and goats are a lot cleverer and a lot more timid than the sheep you see on your average UK farm.

I've no idea if these Scottish sheep are the same, and it would be a lot easier with a rifle,  but I could see why some American hunters might consider this a challenge (though I have no idea if it is or not).

Let’s make it a fair fight...,

Drac
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Go on then tell me?

Welsh Farmer got there first, but yes, generally shot from the other end of the barn (close enough to guarantee an accurate shot, not so close that you're spending the next week picking sheep brain off the barn walls).

it’s pretty much no different to an abatoir.

I think you need to see an a abattoir, it's not dignitas.

I have seen an abattoir and farm kills.

I’m going to invite all the hicks to the farm for a bit of a cull.

Bring yer hick mentality and some combats, swizzle yer baseball caps and kill em’ all.

Take some pics, post online whilst standing over your prey like a trophy.

Same shit, different colour innit.

🤦‍♀️🤷‍♂️🌬

Jesus, just had the misfortune to watch a CO2 pig slaughter video (Australian, so probably upper end of practices). I'd take a bullet any day of the week, and yes, I've seen what bullets can do.

I N R A T S and hopefully already said:

Hunting the goat is legal and it's a speices that needs controlled. This one appears to have had a good ife and death.

Are a those objecting to it carnivourous pet-lovers or vegans? Inverted snobs?

If the former, have they looked into animal suffering in UK agri-business?

Nobody eats “baby” lambs – there’s no real meat on them.  Most of the “lamb” you eat looks to normal people like a sheep and is probably much nearer a year old.

I realise it varies and the definitions are probably a bit flexible, but that's not my understanding.

Encyclopaedia Britannica says:

Lamb: live sheep before the age of one year, and the flesh of such animals. ... The meat of sheep 6 to 10 weeks old is usually sold as baby lamb, and spring lamb is from sheep of five to six months.

However, even if the lamb were closer to a year, that is still a very young animal and it is explicitly named and advertised as such.

So I think my point about moral relativism and double standards still stands: people complain about (what appears to be) a fully grown goat being shot and then go home to tuck into baby animals.

wild sheep and goats are a lot cleverer....

I’ve no idea if these Scottish sheep are the same

Of course they are, they're Scottish.  Kind of disappointed they couldn't outwit some camo-clad American gun freak though

Wow, what a hero... 🙄

There's no contest between an animal and a moron with a rifle....
I have no issue with hunting for food or culling purposes, but as a sport? Get real.

If you want a thrill do something that is a challenge instead. If you want to shoot, go to a range or fire up your Xbox.

Leave the culling to the professional estate management.

What I WOULD pay to see would be like-minded hunters pitted against each other on a reserve. That could classify as sport worth watching. You could have bare hands, knife only and rifle categories. Winner!

It is not a wild sheep, it has obviously been sheared within the last few months.

Maybe it just went to the baaaarbers.

FFS, they are introduced pests. If some dumb foreigners want to pay to cull them, it's win-win.

I stand corrected over the CO2 issue, IIRC I was remembering words promoting it rather than an honest description of the process.

There was a TV programme a few years back looking at more humane ways to kill people as an alternative to the electric chair and lethal injection for capital punishment and CO2 and other gases were looked at. CO2 was the preferred as it causes ZERO distress. One experiment used a pig who could put its head into various sealed troughs to access food and each trough had different gases. It would eat at one until it either felt uncomfortable and withdrew or blacked out and often would not return to that trough. However there was one it repeatedly returned and it was the one filled with CO2. It would eat in the trough till it blacked out, was pulled out of the trough and left to recover, and as soon as it recovered it would immediately return to the CO2 trough to continue feeding until it blacked out. So the experience was obviously not an unpleasant one for the Pig, just the opposite in fact as it exhibited symptoms of euphoria, so it sounds like asphyxiation by CO2 is not an unpleasant way to go.

There was a TV programme...

..., so it sounds like asphyxiation by CO2 is not an unpleasant way to go.

I'm no expert by any means but are you sure this was co2 not carbon monoxide, one of the major dangers of which i gather i the lack of symptoms.

Just read this quote from the lady in question

"Nothing better than disconnecting from this social media-driven world and connecting back with nature.

Fair play, only you have a gun and technical clothing. Want to prove you’re a true huntress? Fashion your own weapons and clothing from nature’s bounty. Then go hunt some goat!

A similar problem, but a stoatally different answer..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-45975295

I’m no expert by any means but are you sure this was co2 not carbon monoxide

Or Nitrogen.

wobbliscott.  Your recollection is almost 100% correct, apart from one tiny detail

http://www.documentarytube.com/videos/how-to-kill-a-human-being-2

37 mins...... it rejects CO2. but is happy with inerts (N2, Ar, etc.)

What we need is some trophy hunters who go after the real introduced pests who have no natural predators. Seven billion and counting...

Fashion your own weapons and clothing from nature’s bounty. Then go hunt some goat!

Pretty sure that's illegal here.

A true hunter cares not for your foolish laws!

What we need is some trophy hunters who go after the real introduced pests

Grey squirrels?

Rabbits.