I stand corrected over the CO2 issue, IIRC I was remembering words promoting it rather than an honest description of the process.
There was a TV programme a few years back looking at more humane ways to kill people as an alternative to the electric chair and lethal injection for capital punishment and CO2 and other gases were looked at. CO2 was the preferred as it causes ZERO distress. One experiment used a pig who could put its head into various sealed troughs to access food and each trough had different gases. It would eat at one until it either felt uncomfortable and withdrew or blacked out and often would not return to that trough. However there was one it repeatedly returned and it was the one filled with CO2. It would eat in the trough till it blacked out, was pulled out of the trough and left to recover, and as soon as it recovered it would immediately return to the CO2 trough to continue feeding until it blacked out. So the experience was obviously not an unpleasant one for the Pig, just the opposite in fact as it exhibited symptoms of euphoria, so it sounds like asphyxiation by CO2 is not an unpleasant way to go.
There was a TV programme...
..., so it sounds like asphyxiation by CO2 is not an unpleasant way to go.
I'm no expert by any means but are you sure this was co2 not carbon monoxide, one of the major dangers of which i gather i the lack of symptoms.
Just read this quote from the lady in question
"Nothing better than disconnecting from this social media-driven world and connecting back with nature.
Fair play, only you have a gun and technical clothing. Want to prove you’re a true huntress? Fashion your own weapons and clothing from nature’s bounty. Then go hunt some goat!
A similar problem, but a stoatally different answer..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-45975295
I’m no expert by any means but are you sure this was co2 not carbon monoxide
Or Nitrogen.
wobbliscott. Your recollection is almost 100% correct, apart from one tiny detail
http://www.documentarytube.com/videos/how-to-kill-a-human-being-2
37 mins...... it rejects CO2. but is happy with inerts (N2, Ar, etc.)
What we need is some trophy hunters who go after the real introduced pests who have no natural predators. Seven billion and counting...
Fashion your own weapons and clothing from nature’s bounty. Then go hunt some goat!
Pretty sure that's illegal here.
A true hunter cares not for your foolish laws!
What we need is some trophy hunters who go after the real introduced pests
Grey squirrels?
Rabbits.
A true selfie,look at me-me-me huntress does not care for your foolish flaws #camoupstayawesome
What we need is some trophy hunters who go after the real introduced pests
Hipsters
Or jockeys. Their numbers have exploded since Prince died.
There is nothing odd about killing an animal and then eating it.
Travelling thousands of miles to kill a harmless and defenceless animal and revelling in the beast's death is beyond odd however.
Travelling thousands of miles to kill a harmless and defenceless animal and revelling in the beast’s death is beyond odd however.
As opposed to rearranging that sentence into
killing a harmless and defenceless animal and transporting it thousands of miles to <span style="font-size: 12.8px;">revel</span> in the beast’s death is beyond odd however.
To describe my comment that I really like roast Lamb for christmas dinner and the 50/50 chance it's from New Zealand?
This thread's reached the opposite of the vegan argument that you shouldn't' eat an animal you weren't prepared to kill, that we should only eat animals and not consider that they had to die in the process.
To describe my comment that I really like roast Lamb for christmas dinner and the 50/50 chance it’s from New Zealand?
Buy British then. It's only a few hundred mile for Shaun to travel.
It tells you where it's from on the packet.
Travelling thousands of miles to kill a harmless and defenceless animal and revelling in the beast’s death is beyond odd however.
For the thrill and and challenge like a Predator does innit.
From the BBC article,
"The animals, which have no natural predator, are classed as an invasive, non-native species in the UK, and hunting them on private land is not illegal.
Controversial culls have been carried out in some areas to reduce their numbers,"
Whilst I find the notion of travelling several thousand miles to shoot a sheep somewhat bizarre, I'm struggling to see the moral outrage here. It's as though people have suddenly forgotten where food comes from. (Vegetarian for pushing 30 years, for context.)
"The Larysa Unleashed website says the presenter "promotes the outdoor lifestyle, offering a taste of the adventure as she blossoms into a hardcore huntress."
Hardcore huntress? Dropped into the middle of a pack of hungry lionesses armed with a stick of celery whilst on fire would be a hardcore huntress. Bagging a sheep from 200 yards away, not so much.
Hardcore huntress? Dropped into the middle of a pack of hungry lionesses armed with a stick of celery whilst on fire would be a hardcore huntress. Bagging a sheep from 200 yards away, not so much.
Exactly. Don’t forget she was also well camouflaged in order to hide from the highly cunning and devious sheep
Don’t forget she was also well camouflaged in order to hide from the highly cunning and devious sheep
Surely disguising yourself as flora when stalking a herbivorous animal is more dangerous, no? It's like dressing up as a weak and injured antelope to go hunting lions.
Never thought of that. Maybe she is the ultimate huntress after all 😀
Bagging a sheep from 200 yards away, not so much.
Exactly it's like decideding to take up rabbit shooting then heading to Pet at Home bag your big trophy kill.
The latest photo doing the rounds is her proudly displaying a shot peacock.
Probably more humanely despatched than the majority of peacocks we eat. The proles roasting them of a Sunday know little of their miserable existence plodding slowly around the grounds of stately homes.
And the feral ones are very hard to track and kill. It's not like they have a massive, brightly coloured load of feathers and you can just stroll up to them with a bit of bird seed.
The more I think about the moral indignance around this, the more it irks me.
Unless you're a vegan
If I had a peacock, I’d name it Drew
The more I think about the moral indignance around this, the more it irks me.
Unless you’re a vegan
Me too. I still think its a strange thing to travel all that way to kill a sheep and goat but the moral outrage from many meat eaters is laughable.
If I had a lazy, unemployed goat I’d name it Billy Idol
Or Nanny McFreeloader
If I had a panther I would call it Samantha
If i had a haggis I’d call it Gonnysh...
If I had a sheep I’d call it Ulysses S Grant or Baaaberella
If I had a sheep I’d call it Jeff
If I had a pig I'd call it Kevin
I see what you did there.
the moral outrage from many meat eaters is laughable.
Its not about the moral outrage as such. Meat eaters don't tend to pop down the local abattoir and pose over the dead carcass of the cow they're going to be eating
I can accept the arguments for culling etc, but it's the boorish "look at how awsums I am" posing that grates.
There's **** all skill involved in bagging a goat on islay and it's not something to boast about.
Meat eaters don’t tend to pop down the local abattoir and pose over the dead carcass of the cow they’re going to be eating
Maybe they should? Might give them a sense of focus before they go bleating away on the Internet.
it’s the boorish “look at how awsums I am” posing that grates.
So you are happy for them to do it as long as they dont take pictures, ir if they do, its fines as long as you dont see them?
There’s **** all skill involved in bagging a goat on islay
Have you tried it? Not been to Islay myself but have shot a goat in NZ.. doesnt need a lot of skill but a bit, it also involved a long day walking in the hills
Have you tried it? Not been to Islay myself but have shot a goat in NZ.. doesnt need a lot of skill but a bit, it also involved a long day walking in the hills
Can't be bothered looking for it but someone posted a photo of goats on Islay and they were about 5m (that's metres, not miles!) from the road.
How far do you reckon she had to go to stalk a peacock?
I am a meat eater and I have turned live animals into food with my own hands ( and help from a chap with a shotgun) Cow to cow pie. Also quite a lot of harmless crustaceans and seafood but I'll tell you this - scallops fight back and fight nasty. 😉 Much more dangerous than a sheep.
does this mean I am allowed to comment or not? I have rather got lost in this moral maze
I can accept the arguments for culling etc, but it’s the boorish “look at how awsums I am” posing that grates.
There’s **** all skill involved in bagging a goat on islay and it’s not something to boast about.
Hmmm, I felt the same way about the gloating photos, but then I remember that occasionally I throw a line over the side when I'm sailing. Even more occasionally I catch a fish of some kind, cook and eat it. If I do I *always* post the photo on FB. There's little skill and almost no work in catching Mackerel. (Or not the way I do it.)
I'm not at all convinced that's any different. I don't even have the excuse that my career requires it.
Can’t be bothered looking for it but someone posted a photo of goats on Islay and they were about 5m (that’s metres, not miles!) from the road.
You could do the same with red deer and people who stalk and shoot them dont get the same amount of grief on social media..
That peacock pic is proper special mind! I understand why people dont like the pictures but the outrage over a goat and a sheep being shot is laughable considering how most of them go and then when you dig a little some on here are just upset cause she took pictures.
