Bars Higher, Bars Lower ???? Pros & Cons……….
I'm at the moment debating what to do with my bar height/shape. What are the pros and cons of low riser, minimal steerer spacers v higher rise, more spacers, v etc etc ???
At the moment the front of my bike feels not heavy, but not easy to keep up over drops/jumps. Probably technique involved, but wondering if higher rise bars and/or raising stem would help.
Any wisdom on the matter…………?Posted 8 years ago
Currently running a 70mm stem, don't want to go any shorter. As I said, technique probably the biggest problem, but what I'm curious about is whether "higher" bars will create more leverage around the effective point of rotation when lifting the front end – if that makes sense??
The bike does climb quite well, so don't want to sacrifice too much of that, however I'd rather give up a bit of climbing prowess if it means avoiding a face plant situation………..
Incidently my hardtail is far more fun/confidence inspiring on the downs than my FS and it has a slightly longer stem and higher rise bars, of course there are a plethora of other geometric differences which together make it hard to directly compare.Posted 8 years agob rMember
Depends on your build and the geo/sizing of your bike.
I run a pair of V2's (over 700mm wide and 50mm rise), and about 50mm of spaces under the stem. Climbs ok, but gives great control everywhere.
I'm tall though.
If you go low, make sure they can't catch the top-tube if your bars 'spin'.Posted 8 years agochakapingSubscriber
Have you tried moving your bars up and down with spacers anyway? That should give you an idea what you like and whether your problem is getting better or worse each way.
Personally, I've found lowering the bars has made it a bit easier to manual and jump. Possibly because having the bars lower gives me more range of movement to move my weight back through.
But the main benefit has been increased front wheel traction.Posted 8 years agomandogMember
On my hard tail with 50mm 10deg rise stem and 50mm rise Easton EA70 bars: I went from 40mm of spacers under the stem down to 20mm. Sometimes my back ached before the change and sometimes after, so comfort hasn't made much difference. I do feel more control of the front end though on slippery downhill. That and I've got used to keeping the arms bent, elbows down and loose.
I've just bought a 25mm riser to swap over with the 50mm riser on the bigger bike. No spacers under the stem but it does have a tall 170mm fork. Hoping for a similar improvement in control.Posted 8 years agoCaptainMainwaringMember
bigdonx – Member
Currently running a 70mm stem, don't want to go any shorter
Why not? Looks like most people above (and me) are running a 50mm stem if they are doing drops etc. Both me and a mate got much more confidence going down when we reduced stem lenghts
As I said, technique probably the biggest problem
Then why are you asking about bar height? Front end dropping means too much weight forward. To get your weight back go for a shorter stem. Should be relatively easy to blag a borrow of one from your LBS to at least try it.Posted 8 years agoglenpMember
I would strongly advise not to loft the front wheel by pulling the bars up. Make the front light by transferring weight to the rear of the bike and using your feet to lever. A neutral handlebar is the best way for normal trail riding – so you are not leaning on it. I like a small drop from saddle to bars myself – an inch or two lower than the saddle.
Personally I would also not recommend a super short stem. As you have already identified, a little bit of best technique practice will go a long way – you should easily be able to get your hips well behind your feet and always always carry your head high, rather than ever rolling on to the top of the front of your bike.Posted 8 years agowwaswasSubscriber
"To get your weight back go for a shorter stem."
or a higher one or higher bars (or the same bars 'rolled back') or more spacers on the fork steerer.
there's so many variables.
In the end it's a combination of things that creates the ride position – focusing on one and excludign others isn't necessarily going to give the right answer.
shorter stem will do more than shift weight it will 'speed up' steering too.Posted 8 years ago
glenp – Member
I would strongly advise not to loft the front wheel by pulling the bars up. Make the front light by transferring weight to the rear of the bike and using your feet to lever.
You are still effectively pulling on the bars when pushing with your feet – otherwise the front would not lift. IE there is a centre of rotation somewhere between feet, bars & arse. So altering the position of the bars will have an affect on this C of R – I think……..?? Making it more or less natural/easy?Posted 8 years ago
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