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Assange free and leaves UK
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TwodogsFull Member
Neither would be rape under UK law as withdrawing consent after the act is simply not a UK legal position.
Tj I really don’t understand why you think this is defence? It didn’t happen in the UK, so that is completely irrelevant
4nickcFull MemberShitbag behaviour for sure but not criminal under UK law.
Don’t know if you read the court judgement that I linked to, but if you’re saying stuff like this, then I guess not. He used the UK court system to avoid being extradited to Sweden so they could question him about a rape charge that the Swedish authorities charged him with. Unsuccessfully every time. He’s not charged with rape under UK law, and really? Are you absolutely sure you want to go into to bat for a man who’s claim for a decade and a half is trying to convince you that what he did wasn’t technically rape, despite the fact that even the Supreme Court has effectively said to him “well, we disagree, but if you think so, go to Sweden and defend yourself”. In the post-#metoo era how does that feel? Defending a douche-bag for starting to **** some-one when they were asleep, really? ‘Cos that’s the hill you’re dying on here.
And to make it slightly ickier (if that was actually possible), that’s the reason he used to avoid having his day in court in the US system, that y’know; Chelsea Manning took her hit for, plead public interest and went to Levenworth, thus proving to everyone that she has in fact got bigger balls than Assange.
But of course all that is smoke and mirrors, the reason I reckon Assange won’t go anywhere near a US court is that all sorts of shit he doesn’t want in the public domain would be revealed. All his contact with the Russian secret service, all his dealings with Israel Shamir. All that shit comes out. There’s nothing worse than a grifter who pretends to be righteous.
tjagainFull MemberTj I really don’t understand why you think this is defence? It didn’t happen in the UK, so that is completely irrelevant
Because under UK law if its not a crime in the UK you cannot be extradited for it normally as I understand it apart from to the US where we have a very lopsided extradition treaty. The rape charges were to get him incarcerated so he could be extradited to the US ( IIRC they only appeared after the US went after him even tho the events were a while before????).
BUt I AM NOT DEFEENDING HIM on that at all. Merely pointing out its a very political case with decisions taken for political reasons. I also think he is a vainglorious effwit. doesn’t stop the legal cases against him being dodgy at best. doesn’t stop him being a sexual predator.
2nickcFull Memberdoesn’t stop the legal cases against him being dodgy at best.
It’s not dodgy is the slightest. It’s very very straight forward, and at every stage all the way to the Supreme court he’s lost despite having some very expensive and some of the best human rights lawyers available in the UK. There’s no other defendant in this sort of case who’s been given this many opportunities, the UK court system has bent over backwards in a way that it wouldn’t in any other case to be fair to him.
Some folks can’t see the wood for the trees.
1polyFree MemberBUt I AM NOT DEFEENDING HIM on that at all. Merely pointing out its a very political case with decisions taken for political reasons.
uk judges pride themselves on their independence from political influence.
I also think he is a vainglorious effwit. doesn’t stop the legal cases against him being dodgy at best. doesn’t stop him being a sexual predator.
perhaps you should read the appeal court conclusion that:
1. At least one of the allegations against him would be rape in the UK, if proven.
2. All of the charges would fall under the requirement that their was “dual criminality” – we don’t need to call them the same thing.
polyFree MemberBut I can’t go on holiday and commit a crime in another country and then try and get away with it because it’s not illegal here.
actually you can (if you’ve got deep enough pockets for very good lawyers). Extradition treaties only require extradition where there is duality of the crime – ie the same course of action would have been illegal (not necessarily identical crimes) in both countries. This was an important legal point – but the judge, and then the appeal judges said “but this would be a crime in the UK”.
MoreCashThanDashFull MemberHe seems to me to be a guy with a quite a few issues, he did good work and was happy to take the credit for exposing some terrible practices, but unable to take responsibility when his actions put others at risk as part of the fallout. And then there’s the race charges.
Frankly I’m just glad he’s gone.
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