Is it me? I’m growing to HATE stans rims. I can’t seem to get the tyres to seat properly. It’s not even like I’m running them tubeless – I’m actually using tubes but they stil just won’t “pop” into place. The inner tube on one did bloody pop last night though at about 55-60psi, I neraly had a chuffing heart attack!

It might just be the Maxxis tyres I’m running, but since it happened to a lesser extent on the roval wheelset we formerly had on Mrs NBT bike (the Roval rim being a Stans clone), I think it’s more about the rim design or maybe the way I’m fitting tyres. My current set up is 2.25 Maxxis Ardents on 29er ZTR Crests, though on Mrs NBTs 26er Rovals I was using Panaracer Fire XCs so I’m not entirely sure it’s the tyres: nor am I convinced that I should be required to completely change the way I fit tyres for a specific rim design!

My understanding is that the pressure of the tube (or even just the air should I run them tubeless) should “pop” the bead into the right place on the rim, but that just doesn’t happen. Bear in mind I’m trying this in the garage with a floor pump, there’s no way I’m ever going to get it to work with a smaller pump when out and about

To make things worse while fettling last night I found this

Oh bugger by Notoriously Bad Typist, on Flickr

I hope the pic shows where the tyre’s not correctly seated – this is the rear but the front also suffers from the same seating issues. Thankfully the front isn’t damaged like this tyre! My guess is that the tyre’s just worn through due to the rubbing (this is my singlespeed so the rear wheel sees quite a bit of torque!)

I definitely have to buy ONE new tyre – the question is whether I would be able to resolve my problems with different tyres, or if I should consider a new wheelset. I would prefer hope hubs, but finding a 29er hope wheelset with rims other than stans is not an easy task unless you buy new…

If anyone is interested in a pair of Hope Pro2Evo hubs on black ZTR Crest rims with black spokes and silver nipples, shout up. Would prefer to swap for Hope Pro2Evo on Mavic…

I don’t know if it’s ‘just’ you. But it isn’t me, mine are fine. I had probs with tubeless on none tubeless tyre on the back,but nothing like that.

nbt

I too have been at risk of a cardiac event. The first couple of things can help but only the last really works:

Clean inside of rim, fit tyre and then lather Fairy all around the rim/tyre interface. Pump like a lunatic.
Pump up overnight with a tube. Pop tyre off bead on one side, remove tube. Pump like a lunatic.
Give up and buy a compressor FTW.

do you use fairly liquid to help them seat ?

It will be harder to seat with a tube than without as the tube holts the tyre wherever it is whereas tubless it gets pushed out.

Clean inside of rim, fit tyre and then lather Fairy all around the rim/tyre interface. Pump like a lunatic.
Pump up overnight with a tube. Pop tyre off bead on one side, remove tube. Pump like a lunatic.
Give up and buy a compressor FTW.

He’s not trying to run them tubeless

What thisisnotaspoon said. When I was running Stans with tubes, it was harder to get the tyre to seat. I reckon it worth trying a bit of soapy water around the bead just like if you were setting up tubeless

Wow spw3, you didn’t even make it to the second sentence 😆 …

It’s not even like I’m running them tubeless – I’m actually using tubes

Never had a problem (Arch EX/Ardent 2.25)

As it happens, I was trying the fairy liquid method to seat them when the Big Bang happened. It wasn’t working, hence reaching over 50psi. Since I’m running tubed (tried tubeless, didn’t see it as that much of an advantage so tubes all round) I need to be able to get tubed tyres to seat properly

I’m very much leaning towards different rims

(btw I don’t have an issue with the 2.4 Maxxis Advantage on my 26er Flows – they go on with no problems at all)

What rim tape are you using? I find they work better with just the Stans yellow stuff. Anything else seems to cause too much friction to get the bead to move across correctly.

Save yourself some hassle and run them tubeless… 😉

That’s crossed my mind too – the wheels came with Hope’s green fabric tape and it was in a right state when I took off the tyre. I’ve got a roll of blue fabric rim tape but not Stan’s tape (I did but I gave it to a mate when I gave up on tubeless). Last night when I trued up the wheel I took off the Hope tape and replaced it with just some electrical tape.

I have a set of 29er flows and have run them tubed with maxxis ardent, maxxis aspen and on one smorgasbord with no issues. Didn’t need a compressor or much if any over inflation to make them pop into place once I used Stan’s rim tape. Standard cloth tape and they simply would not bed properly. Didn’t try electrical tape but suspect that would have worked.

Maxxis tyres seem to be fine with Stan’s Flows and according to the interweb with other Stan’s rims as well. I couldn’t get a set of Kenda SB8s on for love nor money – don’t know if they would have seated but they were simply too small a diameter to get on the rim.

Oh, the green Hope tape is horrid stuff, lots of friction, even with tubes everything works better with smoother rim tape. I’d forgotten that…

maxxis work a treat on stan’s rims in my experience, when schwalbe went tlr was the only time I had problems. yellow tape and lube will see you right.

I’m very much leaning towards different rims

What, rims that are designed to run tubes rather than those designed for tubeless like you have?

FWIW I’ve two sets of Crests and have no trouble whatsoever getting any tyre to go on tubeless.

Same problem with arch ex, 40psi blew of covering the utility room second time covered the car.
Now using roval and had been using xt with no problems.

I was looking for new wheel set recently (distress purchase). Had Iron Cross rims in mind, many outlets said “no problem” even when I said I’d run them with tubes, had a lovely chat with Jon @JRA who said Stans had a tendency to be difficult to seat with tubed tyres – might be what you’re finding nbt?

FWIW I went down the Archetype rims option, Maxxis tyres and had no problem, even with a quick puncture repair out in the wilds.

I had a similar experience. In the end I got fed up, sold my stans rims and bought a set of mavic rims. Couldn’t be happier.

I just put about 5PSI in then where the tyre isn’t seated give it a wee yank away from the rim; seats perfectly in this fasion.

As I said above I wasn’t specifically looking for stan’s tubeless ready rims, but most 29er wheels with hope hubs have stans rims. I don’t see that tubeless ready rims should pose difficulty fitting tubed tyres per se, I think it’s just the design of the crest rim

Might be time for new wheels after all. Great, *MORE* expense. I’ve got laods of money spare, I was wondering how to spend it all 🙁

I just put about 5PSI in then where the tyre isn’t seated give it a wee yank away from the rim; seats perfectly in this fasion.

Is this with or without tubes?

seriously, it isn’t hard, yellow tape and follow the instructions and its simples with maxxis tyres.

I don’t see that tubeless ready rims should pose difficulty fitting tubed tyres per se, I think it’s just the design of the crest rim

Sorry, didn’t realise that you had engineering expertise – I bow to your greater knowledge 🙄

Not a problem I’ve had tbh, or at least, not specifically with Stans- I had similiar with an 819, what worked was instead of just inflating it to huge pressure, pumping it up to a sensible pressure, deflating it til it relaxed a bit then reinflating it. What I think was happening was that rather than forcing the tyre onto the bead, the extra pressure was just getting the tyre more and more stuck into the wrong place.

nbt – Member

The inner tube on one did bloody pop last night though at about 55-60psi, I neraly had a chuffing heart attack!

If the tube popped, that’d suggest some other problem?

bigjim – Member

seriously, it isn’t hard, yellow tape and follow the instructions and its simples with maxxis tyres.

Yellow tape or electrical tape won’t make any difference though.

My money is on the rim tape. Use the yellow Stan’s stuff and your problems will go away. Running stans with tubes fine here with a variety of tyres – maxxis, schwalbe, bontrager. All 26″ though.

Yellow tape or electrical tape won’t make any difference though.

Oddly it does – the green Hope tape is slightly sticky ime. I had similar issues with Crest 29er rims and various cross tyres with tubes till I swapped the tape for the yellow stuff. I’d still rather run tubeless, but the tape does seem to make a difference.

No, what I mean is, he’s already replaced the crap Hope tape with electric tape in one wheel and still has the problem. So changing to yellow tape from electric tape won’t change anything

I’m not an engineer, I’m a computer programmer, but it would seem odd that a rim would be designed not to work with tubes? Surely that would be a minimum requirement – then making it work tubeless requires something extra in terms of build quality and design.

or maybe it is just me being bloody stupid. It wouldn’t be the first time

Anyway, time to hit the classifieds and see if I can find any mavic-rimmed hope hubbed 29er wheels – or at least smoething that doesn’t have crests. As above, although loads of people are fine I’m not the only person to have had the issue.

I am amazed that this forum isn’t all over the new Hope rims yet. Got a pair and they are a cinch tubeless compared with Flows.

I’m not an engineer, I’m a computer programmer, but it would seem odd that a rim would be designed not to work with tubes? Surely that would be a minimum requirement – then making it work tubeless requires something extra in terms of build quality and design.

Q – How many Programmers does it take to change a lightbulb?

A – None, it’s a hardware job. 🙂

True, that 🙂

many years ago (almost 25 years ago – eeek!) my cousin joined the army and ended up in REME. He told us how they weren’t allowed to fix anything on base as the maintenance was all contracted out so that there’d be someone contracted to look after the base in the event that the army was shipped out to fight…

Get some Exo Maxxis tyres, properly tape them up, and you’ll not need any fairy liquid. Seriously, just get on the tubeless train – it’s not nearly as much faff as some make out. Been running tubless on Stans Flows, Arch and Arch EX for over 5 years – no issues.

Even for a programmer…:)

I’ve tried tubeless – had no problems at all running 2.4 Maxxis adVantage, they too inflated perfectly first time without any sealant even – but not these.

anyway CandoDavid’s offered me something, will check it out tomorrow when the beer’s worn off

In my experience different combos of tyres with stans rims have all had their individual interaction with some being very easy to seat whilst others were a nightmare. I would even go so far as to say different tyres of exactly the same version of tyre varied significantly in their willingness to seat. Instead of new rims I would just buy new tyres as it will be much cheaper. Also I would second just running them tubeless. No pinch punctures in 3 years and counting!

I found 29er crests to be a bugger with all the tyres I tried but after getting advice on here using stans yellow rim strip solved the problem. All the other rim strips were too thick. When I got an Ardent on with the stans rim strip the tyre edge firmly in the middle of the wheel it set up nicely tubeless – Granted I had the benefit of a compressor. Since then the tyre seems to have stretched and I have no problem taking it on & off – same for a bonty xr4. It has been worth persevering with.

speedstar – Member

In my experience different combos of tyres with stans rims have all had their individual interaction with some being very easy to seat whilst others were a nightmare.

I’d just extend that to tubeless rims in general, I’ve had tyres that wouldn’t go up on my 819s or rovals too.

Arch Ex with Ardent + tube – mine don’t quite seat inflated at about 30 psi. Just ride them and they sort themselves out pronto. I haven’t died.

I use Stans Crest rims , Stans yellow rim strip and a scoop or 2 of sealant. Maxxis tyres, blown up with co2 cartridge to get them seated, ride around a bit to get the sealant to spread then pumped up a few times over a few days with a normal hand pump to replace the c02. I’ve never ever had an issue/ puncture out on a ride in years.
They haven’t designed the rims for tubes, they are designed for tubeless, using their sealant and rim strip but using normal tyres.
I have found Stans to be a revelation.

Aarrrggghhh. Reading and understanding FAIL.

I’ve tried tubeless. Twice I ripped tyres so badly they needed tubes, once the gunk had dried so I had to use a tube, and I dented one rim so badly it wouldn’t hold air. Tubeless is not a magical panacaea, and I’m not really inclined to try it again until it’s more reliable. I’ve never had any of those issues on the car, for instance…