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  • Anyone clued up on gaming PCs who can help?
  • mulv1976
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    Hi, tried my best to get a good spec first gaming PC for my son but I’m an old duffer with no knowledge. Can someone with more experience check it for me please?

    Case
    PCS SPECTRUM RGB MID TOWER CASE (WHITE/PINK)
    Processor (CPU)
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.6GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
    Motherboard
    GIGABYTE B550 GAMING X V2 : DDR4, USB 3.2 – ARGB Ready
    Memory (RAM)
    32GB PCS PRO DDR4 2666MHz (1 x 32GB)
    Graphics Card
    12GB AMD RADEON™ RX 6700 XT – HDMI, DP – DX® 12
    1st M.2 SSD Drive
    512GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (3300 MB/R, 2200 MB/W)
    1st Storage Drive
    2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5″ HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
    Power Supply
    CORSAIR 650W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
    Power Cable
    1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
    Processor Cooling
    PCS FrostFlow 120 Series ARGB High Performance Liquid Cooler (AMD)
    Thermal Paste
    STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
    LED Lighting
    50cm RGB LED Strip
    Sound Card
    ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
    Network Card
    10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
    Wireless Network Card
    WIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD
    USB/Thunderbolt Options
    MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Home 64 Bit – inc. Single Licence [KUK-00003]
    Operating System Language
    United Kingdom – English Language
    Windows Recovery Media
    Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image – Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
    Office Software
    FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
    Anti-Virus
    NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
    Browser
    Google Chrome™
    Keyboard & Mouse
    Razer® Cynosa V2 Gaming Keyboard
    Keyboard & Mouse
    ASUS TUF GAMING M3 Mouse
    Mouse Pad
    PCS Gaming Mouse Mat
    Warranty
    3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
    Delivery
    STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
    Build Time
    Standard Build – Approximately 7 to 9 working days
    Promotional Item
    Get up to 2 games with select AMD Radeon RX 6000 GPUs!

    Poopscoop
    Full Member

    Just curious, which company is building it for you?

    mulv1976
    Free Member

    They’re called PC Specialist: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/

    My lad (14yrs old) found them and seemed to come up with a spec list, but I don’t know (and he’s not sure either) if it’s decent or not.

    willard
    Full Member

    What’s he going to play? The build looks decent, (I am looking at something similar), but the one proviso is whether the games that he want to play support Ray Tracing. If they do, an Nvidia card would be a better choice to take advantage of that. Otherwise, the AMD graphics is much better value.

    The keyboard and mouse is a tricky one. I’d almost be tempted to leave them off and give him a choice to go and try out which ones he likes best, like I have a wireless Logitech mouse (because I like it and the way it feels) and a Huntsman TE keyboard (because it is smaller than a full size and has a less annoying click than some others).

    mulv1976
    Free Member

    I’d never heard of Ray Tracing, but just googled it and I’d rather get a card that supports it for future proofing. I’ll look into that thanks. Good idea about the keyboard and mouse too, do they have these things at places like PC world/Currys to test?

    daviek
    Full Member

    Ray tracing is nice but both cards do ray tracing its just that AMDs 6000 cards were their first try at it and nvidia 3000 series was there second so it is better, me id still go for the AMD card but its worth looking up some videos to see if you get a comparison between say the 3060Ti or 3070 and the 6700xt as the two nvidia cards sit either side of the AMD one.
    Id change your memory to 2 sticks of 16Gb as it will work a wee bit better in duel channel mode and although the PSU is fine i always go overboard with mine and for that would probably pick a 750w but as i said its fine.

    What sort of screen are they playing on?

    GeForceJunky
    Full Member

    The memory is odd. It should be run in dual channel, ie 2 sticks not 1, so 2x16GB instead of 1x32GB. It would also be better with faster memory, 3200 or 3600MHz. 16GB is plenty of memory for gaming, so could save some money there if that’s an option.

    mulv1976
    Free Member

    Thanks for the info, looked at the Nvidia cards. Holy crap 😲 may have to stick with the AMD.

    I’ll look at the memory too, thanks.

    mulv1976
    Free Member

    At the moment he only has a 28″ LG TV/monitor which is 60Hz. He’ll need to upgrade it, but it’s all a bit experimental for a bit as we don’t really k ow what we’re doing 🫤

    molgrips
    Full Member

    Good idea about the keyboard and mouse too, do they have these things at places like PC world/Currys to test?

    Yeah they have quite a range in my local store. I tried them out and bought one, but having played on it with my favourite game I now realise I don’t like it that much. However that particular game has a lot of controls and needs a lot of thought put into customisation. Other games probably aren’t like that.

    mattyfez
    Full Member

    A good starting point is to decide what resolution you want to play at.
    1440p monitors are probably the sweet spot at the moment as 4k monitors are harder on the PC, and it’s still a nicely higher resolution than HD /1080p.
    You can get them with better HDR and higher refresh rates and AMD freesync and Nvidia G-sync for better money.. Which to my eye makes for a better monitor than a lower spec 4k monitor that will be harder on the PC.

    thisisnotaspoon
    Full Member

    Thanks for the info, looked at the Nvidia cards. Holy crap 😲 may have to stick with the AMD.

    Supply is getting better so prices are getting more sensible, the performance/value is fairly close though so if you’re buying a £500 card then a £500 AMD card is pretty much the same as a £500 NVIDIA one, it’s just that as pointed out above, NVIDIA have a bit of a jump on AMD at the last generation (don’t even look at 40xx cards). The RX 6700 XT is comparable to a 3060Ti. But it gets a bit messy when you look at different games as some will benefit more from DLSS (essentially fancy upscaling) which in turn means Ray Tracing works (because early ray tracing at full resolution was ……. very slow to the point it was just a gimmick that wasn’t useable in fast games).

    Other than that, 2x8GB 3600Hz memory will be quicker, and on that board you can always add another 2x8GB in the future to make it 32GB, but games don’t generally need it as they use the video RAM on the card to store all the textures.

    xora
    Full Member

    Cant help with the spec these days, but pcspecialist have built me 2 very nice gaming PCs before. Good choice!

    robola
    Full Member

    512 GB SSD is a bit small these days. You wouldn’t want to run games from the 2TB HDD so that is for bulk storage, does he need that? Would be better with at least a 1TB SSD and ditch the normal drive.

    mattyfez
    Full Member

    At the moment he only has a 28″ LG TV/monitor which is 60Hz. He’ll need to upgrade it, but it’s all a bit experimental for a bit as we don’t really k ow what we’re doing 🫤

    I have the 27 inch version of this 32″ monitor, and it’s superb. https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/dell-32-usb-c-gaming-monitor-g3223d/apd/210-bdxv/monitors-monitor-accessories

    EDIT, it doesn’t have built in speakers though, basically as built in speakers are universally crap, so it’s assumed you have your own speakers/amp plugged into the PC anyway.

    northernmatt
    Full Member

    I was in a similar position last year but at a much lower spec as it was only for Minecraft. Got one from Palicomp who I think I found through a thread on here. Very good service and they were great when we had issues with it last month.

    At a quick glance they may also be a smidge cheaper than PCS.

    willard
    Full Member

    Good catch on the memory, completely missed that. Yes, for sure go with 2×16 sticks of 3200 or 3600. Faster than that is not worth it.

    Also, just don’t look at he prices of the Nvidia 40xx cards. They scare me! As was said above, 3060Ti levels of performance is pretty damned good so any card that does something like that is probably safe, plus he can upgrade it later, and the cpu if he wants/needs to.

    That said, I am still using a GTX1070 and that seems fine.

    dyna-ti
    Full Member

    I’m an Alienware fan(awaits the haters 😆 ) But I’ve been over the arts and upgrades you’re buying and its not dissimilar price to the Aurora R13.

    I bought the X51 which is a seriously old system now(probably about 10 years old) but still very capable.

    mulv1976
    Free Member

    Some good info, thanks all for the help.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    How old is he, what games will he be playing and would he be better served with an Xbox / Playstation?

    I’d file dual-channel RAM under ‘nice to have’ rather than something I’d lose sleep over. If it’s a comparable price then go for it. I’d agree with the drive swap though, SSDs are cheap enough these days that a large spinnydisk is kinda redundant. You can always add one later if needs be.

    mulv1976
    Free Member

    He’s 14 and tends to play things like Apex and Call of Duty on XBox at the moment, but I’m not 100% sure what else. We have a budget of about £1500 and he’s been saving for ages for his first gaming PC.

    sobriety
    Free Member

    With PC Specialist, check they aren’t doing the previous generation or twos kit at full price – I noticed that when I built mine.

    In terms of upgradability, that motherboard/cpu is the AM4 socket which has been superseeded recently by AM5, so to upgrade in the future will require a new motherboard/cpu/ram (as it’s ddr4 and ddr5 has just replaced it). Graphics card upgrades are currently just a case of swapping the card and making sure your power supply can deliver to them, the corsair 650w is a solid choice for that though.

    The ram is actually a biggie – AMD processors love dual channel, which will make a noticeable difference to the gaming performance, especially the lows, so 2×16 will perform better than 1×32.

    Cougar is right about having moar ssds over HDDs though, but these are really easy to fit yourself if pc specialist are being extortionate on the upgrade cost

    It’s also worth mentioning that if you’re in any way technically minded, computers are remarkably easy to build yourself these days.

    TheFlyingOx
    Full Member

    Looks pretty decent to me, with the RAM caveat mentioned above and depending on exactly how much it is.

    Not heard of pcspecialist before but I’ve had quite a few bits and pieces from CCL before. For example this:

    https://www.cclonline.com/pc/gaming-pcs/horizon/horizon-5-amd-rtx-3060ti-gaming-pc/

    comes in under budget at £1380 and is pretty much comparable to the pcspecialist one except it has an nVidia RTX (i.e ray-tracing) GPU and probably better memory for gaming overall. The spare £120 could get you an extra SSD.

    enigmas
    Free Member

    The GPU and CPU combo is solid – as above a Nvidia card is better for dlss/raytracing, but neither are essential. If you can get a 3060ti for a similar price I’d go with that (have one myself) but otherwise it’s not that much of an issue. The only game I’ve really appreciated raytracing has been cyberpunk 2077 so far.

    I’d suggest 2 x 8 ram sticks, 32 is overkill for gaming unless you have lots of background processes. But get something faster such as a 3600 CL16.

    I’d also suggest replacing the HDD with a Sata SDD, not even 2tb, perhaps 1tb.

    Cougar
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    The ram is actually a biggie – AMD processors love dual channel, which will make a noticeable difference to the gaming performance, especially the lows, so 2×16 will perform better than 1×32.

    Fair, I didn’t know that. The last AMD socket I dealt with was the AM3 residing in the desktop here.

    Anecdotally, AMD does seem to change their sockets a lot less frequently than Intel.

    minus
    Free Member

    It’s probably not the point, but the Xbox series x gpu is meant to be very similar performance to the 6700 XT (just a lot cheaper as Microsoft subsidise the Xbox), so don’t expect much of an upgrade.

    sobriety
    Free Member

    Anecdotally, AMD does seem to change their sockets a lot less frequently than Intel.

    You’re right, and with AMD processors historically, you’ve been able to slot any processor of the same socket type into any motherboard with a bios update, so the very first AM4 boards can run the final generation AM4 processors, which is why I’d strongly consider getting an AM5 board and processor as a sort-of future proofing.

    squirrelking
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    https://www.logicalincrements.com/ is my go-to for sanity checking specs and making sure nothing is going to bottleneck or have money wasted on it.


    @molgrips
    what mouse did you get? I’m on a Logitech G700S and even that runs out of buttons in Elite if you try to do everything with one profile. There are MMORPG style mice out there but I wouldn’t really fancy one of those.

    molgrips
    Full Member

    I have a Logitech Hero G502 on the basis it wasn’t silly money. It’s good all round, really – the software for it is comprehensive, allowing you to bind key presses to the buttons. It’s not quite perfectly shaped for how I want to hold it but it’s ok. The issue is that there are two pairs of buttons on it besides the normal ones – one is not particularly easy to use frequently and the other is nearly impossible.

    I am talking about Elite Dangerous, of course, and what I really need is not buttons but control axes. As many axes as a HOTAS but with the precision of a mouse. And the fact I’m attempting this with Geforce Now adds another level of difficulty on top!

    mulv1976
    Free Member

    In terms of CPU is it best to go with the Intel i5/7 or AMD Ryzen 5/7? Or with a decent graphics card does it not make a lot of difference? Thanks

    willard
    Full Member

    Oh gods! This is such can of worms.

    a 5600x or a 5800x will do you for just about whatever you need to do. I guess there is not much difference, but AMD just seem to be a bit cheaper for the same performance.

    One thing though… the Ryzen 7xxx stuff in AM5 format (newer, more expensive) and takes DDR5 memory (newer, faster, more expensive). 5600x or 5800x should be fine.

    mulv1976
    Free Member

    Ok, thanks

    fossy
    Full Member

    Ryzen’s for bang for buck.

    daviek
    Full Member

    which is why I’d strongly consider getting an AM5 board and processor as a sort-of future proofing

    Only if you’ve found the end of the rainbow and there really is a pot of gold there. The new motherboards are pricey and DDR5 memory to go along with it isn’t cheap either. Future proofing is fine if you like to upgrade lots and want the newest kit but chances are most of us don’t do that.

    That sounds really stupid on this forum where lots of people will buy a shiny new part that’s 1% lighter than what it’s replacing!

    fossy
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    The biggest outlay is the graphics card. We did my daughter’s Gaming Machine on a budget, in that we paid my son for his GTX970 so he could get a RTX2070 a couple of years ago. Daughter’s machne had a Ryzen 5, 16GB SSD and ARGB lights and the GTX970, but it’s more than quick enough for her gaming genre. My son’s running an overclocked 4th gen i7 and a RTX 2070 which is enough for racing sims over 3x 1080 screens.

    seriousrikk
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    Having recently gone through a similar journey but with a ‘video editing and gaming’ caveat I came up with a similar list.

    Highly recomment getting 1Gb 1st SSD instead of 512 and making sure it is NVME – aka the fastest.

    I was naturally drawn to AM5 until I realised that the top spec AM4 CPUs will still be damn quick in 3 years time and a lot cheaper.

    Always go for 2x RAM sticks in dual channel rather than a single one.

    Otherwise, sound build.

    squirrelking
    Free Member

    I’m on a Ryzen 5 5600X and 5600XT GPU with 16GB RAM. All good here on a 3440 x 1440 monitor.

    And if I need to squeeze some more out I can overclock.

    enigmas
    Free Member

    Yeah I really wouldn’t go down AM5 at this point, motherboards and RAM are still hella expensive and a 5600x will be very solid for a few years to come. There’s also the 5800X3d as a future upgrade which still rivals 7000 series CPUs on an AM4 platform.

    FuzzyWuzzy
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    It’s always worth plugging all the components into https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ just to see what the build-it-yourself cost would be and the individual review ratings of the components (in case any are known to be crap). I wouldn’t actually recommend building it yourself but if there’s more than £200-300 cost added on by PC Specialist it might be something you could negotiate over.

    Flaperon
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    Just a thought but how about a Steam Deck?

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