TJ – if you give back everything but necessities to those less fortunate than you, then I applaud you. That is something few people can do.

MF no I don’t do that- the point I was making simply was Mboys accusations of hypocrisy do not hold true. I know many other folk in this position.

TJ- you area a miserable failure as a socialist! you would make Proudon cry with your multiple rental properties and capitalist ideals whilst pretending that somehow you are at one with and work for the people 😀

and does your “having ideals and earning less than the national average” take into account your second income stream the property ownership and rental?

no, thought not, you bourgeois pig 😆

And yet you’re happy to deny others the chance to own their own home, instead choosing to be a landlord.

Surely they’re compatible? Tony Blair owns several properties, and he’s a leftie.

Property is theft! 😈

Tony Blair owns several properties, and he’s a leftie.

oh no he isn’t!

How so?

WHAT A PRICK!!!

Yeah okay, fair enough, I apologise for leaving that inflammatory comment there with no explanation.

But, really that “well you vote Labour so why don’t you give all your money away” is such a baseless and inane response, which I genuinely haven’t heard since I was a schoolboy. As a socialist, I’m looking for a fairer system which reduces social and economic inequalities, and closes off the system of privilege bestowed on certain people just because they happen to be born into a certain set of circumstances. I’ll vote for a party that attempts that, and if I end up giving away more of my income in taxation in pursuit of that, then I’m more than happy. Me giving fifty quid of my wages every week to a poorer family down the road won’t achieve it.
Secondly, you imply that only middle class, well-off people are socialists. So all the working classes of this country vote Tory then?

And thirdly, I take offence at being called a bigot by someone who writes this about 20m plus nordic inhabitants:

(and a lot of people who really can’t be bothered to work), and are basically a nightmare for anyone who really wants to get off their arse and work hard and earn a decent living

Offensive and borderline racist. What a prick indeed.

Oh yes he is. Isn’t he?

yep, Blair is a great advert for socialism

Politics is too confusing for me. 🙂

TandemJeremy – Member

Myself and many of the people I know actually live to their principles. Both I and MrsTJ have spent or lives on public service forums doing our best to help those less fortunate. The old, the ill, the disabled,and the terminally ignorant.

Both of us are able people and I a sure could have earned more money by other career choices but we have principles and live by them. after 30 years working in our fields both of us still earn below the national average

reedited for clarity

In all fairness to TJ; he rents his flat out to a young couple for less than he could have got elsewhere (not stalking you TJ,)

randomjeremy – Member
And yet you’re happy to deny others the chance to own their own home, instead choosing to be a landlord.

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As a plasterer I bought and renovated flats in Dundee where I grew up, does owning a couple that I put a lot of hard work into doing up make me less working class? Good; being working class was shite.

Its also a bit by accident we ended up with it – a long and complex story and maybe its just as well as this government is taking our pensions away

In all fairness TJs partner owns and rents the flat. Kind of ruins the rachmann overtures some are spinning.

@duckman we could do with a sarcasm emote – I was ribbing 🙂 I’m an unashamed capitalist pigdog who believes the best way to solve everything is to generate and then spend money – as much of it as possible.

@Bikepawl I think it’s more the glaring hypocrisy that people are taking the mickey about 🙂

Actually Blair and the political classes across all the main parties as well as every UK taxpayer have all been actively supporting the redistribution of wealth in a very socialist way.Unfortunatley the only people feeling the benefit are the East European underclass who have moved to the UK to take advantage of it.Govan Hill anyone?

TJ
Laudable thought it is, why not take a wee break from this selfless ascetism of yours and treat yourself to that Chris King hub for your tandem 🙂

the glaring hypocrisy

Yeah TJ – don’t you dare be left wing unless you live on a park bench and eat used cardboard.

Me, I’ve just realised I own four bikes, which is undoubtedly much higher than the national average, so I’m going to slit my own throat.

Me, I’ve just realised I own four bikes, which is undoubtedly much higher than the national average, so I’m going to slit my own throat.

Bad idea – irritating for the Police, Ambulance and hospital staff who have to clear up the mess you will leave.

Just give 3 of them away to bikeless poor people and you can sit and be smug for quite a long while.

I think that both mboy and myself have produced a reasoned argument against the sweeping generalisations that you have produced.

Well I’m glad you think so, it would be rather sad if you didn’t have faith in your own argument.

Dontcha reckon ? 🙂

Property is theft!

Yeah, so you mentioned a few weeks ago, 🙄

They’re beautiful looking pieces of kit bought by people with lots of dosh.
Why should there be anything else to it?

Have you got your priorities right DS?

It is an indisputable fact that one of the motivating factors behind owning an ostentatious vehicle in the £1.4 million price bracket, is to shamelessly flaunt your obscene level of wealth and invite others to be impressed. They are unquestioningly asking to be judged. Which is precisely what I do, although obviously not in the manner which they would prefer.

When I won a large lottery prize, I always planned on buying several nice, but not too ostentatious cars, like an Audi A5, a Citrôen DS3 Racing, a nice 4×4, nothing extreme in order to not attract the unwelcome attention of jealous class-warfare types eager to make a point about the unequal distribution of wealth, but now I’d actually buy something really flashy just so that I could flaunt in front of all the asshats on here, and then be able to tell them to go screw themselves.
We’re all equal, it’s just some are more equal than others.
Ain’t that so, TJ?

Ain’t that so, TJ?

You quoted me not TJ, so it would probably be better if you directed your rhetoric at me. Correctly identifying who you want to wind up will help you when it comes to flaunting in front of all the asshats.

Perhaps he got us confused Ernie? Or was he just confused?

TandemJeremy – Member
Perhaps he got us confused Ernie? Or was he just confused?

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You mea you two AREN’T the same person?

Is this still going………………

Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, New Zealand.

As an NZ citizen, resident and tax payer I would suggest that we actually have quite a shocking level of rich/poor imbalance. We also have an ageing population that cannot be sustained by the current levels of tax. And as a top 5% taxpayer, yes that’s right I am one of them it pains me to see such a massive disparity in our society. We also have a major issue with pakeha/maori which presents itself mainly in the form of poverty & unemployment for pacific islanders and maori. Strangely everyone has access to the same levels of social support and education irrespective of colour, race, ethnicity or location. So what do i do about it I hear you all cry, especially the slumlord TJ ? I pay tax.

Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, New Zealand.

Isn’t Norway the massively oil rich one with a tiny population?

mikewsmith – Member

Is this still going………………

Yep. In the time that this thread has been running somebody has crashed another one of the bloody things. 🙄

The funny thing is it might not even be insured.

Oh how i pissed myself when i read that.

Have you got your priorities right DS?

Don’t you ever get bored of following me around? I’m flattered that you take such an interest, but I do find it a little bit weird the level of attention a grown man is paying another.
And to answer your question, my priorities would seem to be perfectly right.

mboy – Member
I do with to pish on your chips, because the unemployment rate of Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland an New Zealand are lower than the UK. And all those ‘problems’ you highlight, are the reason why income inequality is less than the UK. I think you may have missed the point.
OK, having just checked todays unemplyment rates, because of the current unemployment farce we have in the UK you are actually right. But in the case of Denmark, Sweden and Finland, only just… These 3 countries have consistently high unemployment problems, the UK is experiencing a fairly extreme peak right now, but is usually lower. New Zealand isn’t far off either, though to be fair Norway does seem to have very low unemployment.

The history of unemployment is much more complex than your assertion, at least according to the stats here.

The “problems” I highlighted, as you put it, are BIG problems… What the hell do you do when all your skilled workforce is leaving the country to work elsewhere because they are taxed to high heaven in their home country, and don’t see the benefit of this?

You said earlier it was half the workforce of Copenhagen who commute from Sweden, not you’re suggesting it the entered skilled workforce. There are some numbers of wikipedia (i’m not going to bother to research it further than that) which suggest 14,000 people commute from sweden over the bridge to Copenhagen. The latter’s population is 1.2m. Moreover, the same article suggests that Swedes also commute to Denmark for shopping, entertainment and to use the airport – these will be of great benefit for the economy. Might i suggest you wind in the hyperbole when trying to make a point, and add some stats instead of relying on your own experiences (and that of some friends). It is easier to make a convincing and robust case that way. 😀

Think i’ll spend a few hours in the garage today & give the One-77 & the Aventador a valet… 8)

The funny thing is it might not even be insured.

Oh how i pissed myself when i read that.

That says a lot about you

NZCol – Member

As an NZ citizen, resident and tax payer I would suggest that we actually have quite a shocking level of rich/poor imbalance.

Perhpas but I believe it is much less so than the UK

That says a lot about you

A wicked SOH ?

Or is it only appropriate to laugh at the misfortunes of overweight low-income Tesco shoppers, preferably with some reference to Darwin ?

Does anyone have the stats to allow me to make a comparison of wrecked supercars (driven by the small penised super-rich) and wrecked “enhanced” tatty chav-mobiles (driven by scrotes)? I’d be interested to see how that works out in relaation to number of crashes per head of target population.

I suspect that the cost of said vehicle as a proportion of owners’ earnings may be tilted one way more than another too.

Oh, and I agree fully with the argument for the Maclaren F1. A stunning piece of engineering. Whilst I would accept any super car, that’s probably one I would keep, instead of selling on so that I could pay off the mortgage and buy a slightly less aged Passat estate.

That sounds like a reasonable argument willard – the enhanced safety features in a £1 million + car, plus the ability of the owner to pay for repairs or a replacement, puts the whole incident in a completely different light.

It’s clearly no laughing matter and the owners of these incredibly safe cars should be able to smash/destroy them, despite no other vehicle being involved, without being subjected to ridicule or rebuke.

randomjeremy – Member

The funny thing is it might not even be insured.

Oh how i pissed myself when i read that.

That says a lot about you

No more or less than what yours says about you.

No doubt you find people who shop in Oxfam funny.