Where do you think the donated money will go?

Also how can you apply to get some of it? I’m part of a sewing group, we’re sewing much needed stuff for the NHS, however we’re relying on donations to buy the scrubs fabric we need. If we could get a small lump sum we could really get going and produce more.

In a perfect world I really hope each and every NHS and care worker will get some sort of bonus. My friend through personal reasons is working ridiculous hours and is struggling to pay the bills and feed herself.

In the past few weeks there have been millions donated by people from all over the world. I just hope apart from the much needed equipment, it will go to some of the forgotten areas.

I can see half the Tory party looking forward to having the NHS being entirely funded by a mixture of weekly clapping and OAPs walking round their gardens.

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Charity money is not allowed to be used for day to day running of the NHS. They provide staff and patient extras plus the occasional big piece of specialised equipment or in one instance iPads to allow families to say goodbye to dying members just recently.

I did my LEJOG for Nottingham Hospitals Charity and the money went to buy new sofas in the acute stroke ward, as two family members had been in their care for long periods. I think they can donate to buy large items of kit too, but as said not for the day to day operational costs.

Sandwich covers it. Different trusts have charities which are used for patient experience such as family rooms on children’s wards for relatives to stay. I don’t think it’ll pay towards volunteers making ppe but there may be another way. A friend just asked for donations for the ppe he is making.

all this NHS charity money is excellent, obviously. But it won’t make a lot of difference

The NHS in England alone gets through £15m an hour (in a normal year). (£134Bn divided by 8760)

Tom Moore is up to £29m

So, it’ll have run out by lunch. It will make a difference, but not a lot.

To supply to the NHS you need to be a registered supplier (although the rules are sometimes relaxed somewhat and are quite flexible at times). At the moment there are various sites where you can register your details (a quick Google will throw them up). There isn’t a pot of charity money (or any other money for that matter) to hand out to people who are helping out – how would they manage it? How would they ensure they aren’t giving money to fraudsters?

We work extensively with the NHS (mainly at Trust and CCG level providing digital services) and have spent the last four or five weeks working almost exclusively on very low / no budget projects to get information out to communities. All things being equal all this work *should* benefit us in the long term with goodwill, but it isn’t guaranteed.

What we *have* found out though is that local government / enterprise partnerships have some money and we have applied for a grant (only small, about £3k) to go towards the work we have done.

You should speak to someone on a local level and see if any help may be forthcoming. My local LEP is https://www.the-lep.com/

I’ve not made much in the way of donations since this all started, but would be happy to chip in for scrubs materials @bunnyhop . Do you have a paypal account or a just giving page or anything like that?

A centralised giving page might be a bit more palatable than just sending it to you direct for some people, might mean you get more donations but I’d send it straight through, so the campaign page don’t take a %.

@tthew – this is the JustGiving page for @bunnyhop’s sewing group
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/yousewingmachineneedsyou

Thanks Jules. 👍

I think there are plenty of organisations, charities, even businesses that would need the money a lot more than the NHS, obviously as it’s been raised for the NHS that’s where it must go but it’s a drop in the ocean compared to their daily spend and it should be fully funded by government.

I’m sure there’s plenty of charities out there doing less high profile support work who would really benefit from the odd £50k.

The money doesn’t go on the daily spend it goes to the NHS charities as mentioned above.

all this NHS charity money is excellent, obviously. But it won’t make a lot of difference

The NHS in England alone gets through £15m an hour (in a normal year). (£134Bn divided by 8760)

Tom Moore is up to £29m

So, it’ll have run out by lunch. It will make a difference, but not a lot.

As already mentioned, the money raised for NHS charities has nothing to do with the day to day running costs of the NHS.

But it won’t make a lot of difference

My next door neighbour who works for NHS Charities Together respectfully disagrees.

As has been said charity money is not allowed to be used for day to day running costs. Its usually spent on additional equipment the hospital wants that it cant get the government to fund, nice to haves, training for staff,

charity money is not allowed to be used for day to day running costs

In that case, good news.

What would be better than people giving money to NHS charity would be to start supporting the Doctors and Nurses when they complain about their working conditions and pay, plus agree to income tax increases.

But of course when this is no longer the latest hot topic the nation will forget and no longer care about the NHS.

The cynical side of me thinks also that a lot of these companies making face masks etc at the minute will all send invoices in to the NHS when the dust settles….

Well I’ve contributed. Target is £5000, current funds are £4402. Come on STW, do you’re worst best, lets get this over the line!

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/yousewingmachineneedsyou

Not to be mean to those doing this but…

Remember that the companies who normally supply the NHS with scrubs have been working flat out for weeks to meet the demand. As things begin to settle, the NHS will have a large surplus of scrubs and no consequent need to resupply; it would seem prudent not to take business away from these suppliers cos we need them to remain viable.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions… or something. 😉

The cynical side of me thinks also that a lot of these companies making face masks etc at the minute will all send invoices in to the NHS when the dust settles….

not without a purchase order number 🙂

not without a purchase order number

Yep – they simply toss any invoice straight into the (virtual) bin if it does not have a PO for *most* organisations, however Tradeshift (the invoicing product they use) does allow a PO of XX[firstname][surname] if the purchasing organisation hasn’t yet got fully up to speed with POs.

Thanks everyone (especially tthew).
As always Its complicated and interesting. I did think the monies wouldn’t actually go to running the nhs, but was hoping stuff on the peripheral which seems the case.

What would be better than people giving money to NHS charity would be to start supporting the Doctors and Nurses when they complain about their working conditions and pay, plus agree to income tax increases.

FunkyDunc – would just like to pick up on this very important point and would say that the public needs to be woken up and learn about the reality. A good place to start is with junior doctor Chris Day who basically ended up in Court as he spoke out regarding safety levels whilst working in Intensive Care. More here and it’s shocking:

http://54000doctors.org/reports/private-eye-articles.html

He’s not the only one, I’m certainly aware of more who are frankly treated with contempt, even by their own union the BMA. Plenty speaking out on Twitter.

Turning to nurses, a good friend of mine worked for the NHS for decades. She was a whistleblower, also concerning patient safety, and subsequently was subjected to bullying and other disrespectful treatment. Eventually she took early retirement due to #coverups.

As you were.

plus agree to income tax increases.

I really don’t understand Economics.

It baffles me that we cannot afford to fund primary healthcare to provide adequate equipment, healthy wages and sensible working hours without tax increases, yet we can cheerfully spunk billions up the wall on brexit, print more billions when the pound went through the floor in 2016, bail out failing banks and businesses left right and centre, and now offer £50,000 interest-free loans to pretty much anyone who wants one.

Where the actual **** is it all coming from, and why weren’t we spending it already to make life a bit better for people? Is there a big cellar under parliament containing Smaug and Scrooge McDuck?

It baffles me that we cannot afford to fund primary healthcare to provide adequate equipment, healthy wages and sensible working hours without tax increases, yet we can cheerfully spunk billions up the wall on brexit, print more billions when the pound went through the floor in 2016, bail out failing banks and businesses left right and centre, and now offer £50,000 interest-free loans to pretty much anyone who wants one.

£700K was spent by NHS Resolution on Dr Day’s case. The Trust had 14 witnesses lined up.

and now offer £50,000 interest-free loans to pretty much anyone who wants one.

And the alternative? Let shit-loads of businesses collapse and increase unemployment exponentially. I can’t say they had much choice in that one really.

Where the actual **** is it all coming from, and why weren’t we spending it already to make life a bit better for people?

One of my brother in-law’s is a finance director for an NHS trust.
Every month since *that* bus he has formally written to PM to ask when his extra chunk of cash was due, he had patients in need.
He has never had a reply to the letters.

Donated – thank you for doing this, Bunnyhop

Charity money is not allowed to be used for day to day running of the NHS.

Ah, but could an enterprising Government minister quietly divert some of those charity donations to chip away at the interest on the Billions they’ve just borrowed to (in part) cover the increased day to day running costs of the NHS during CV19?

It would sort of be what it was intended for… Right…

You know they’ll do it if they can get away with it.

Thanks Esme x

Ah, but could an enterprising Government minister quietly divert some of those charity donations to chip away at the interest

No

While 29 million is an incredible amount of money to be raised by one person. It won’t make a huge difference. NHS Charities Together gives away over one million pounds a day.

What we do

My hope is that the one good thing to come from this is serious reform and investment in the NHS. Things like the NHS paying full business rates but private hospital’s paying 20% and the PFI scheme are idiotic.

What we *have* found out though is that local government / enterprise partnerships have some money and we have applied for a grant (only small, about £3k) to go towards the work we have done.

Place I work recently got similar money to loan bikes to NHS staff and Carers. We quickly ran out of what we had to offer from our own supply so this has helped us buy more to help out..

While 29 million is an incredible amount of money to be raised by one person. It won’t make a huge difference. NHS Charities Together gives away over one million pounds a day.

By that rough calculation, that’s nearly a month’s funding, so IMHO, quite a significant difference! They need to promote Captain Tom to a Major.

Give it to the effing care homes

I have the private care home stem but right now that does not matter. they need the money and the goodwill. Quite honesly I am getting fed up of ” look how nice we are we are giving to the NHS”

The NHS does not need your bawbees. The care home folk do

And the alternative? Let shit-loads of businesses collapse and increase unemployment exponentially. I can’t say they had much choice in that one really.

That wasn’t my point. I wasn’t saying it was a bad thing, I was saying I was baffled as to how it was possible when we seemingly haven’t had the funds to feed homeless people in decades. Or, y’know, why we have homeless people in the first place.

“Not having much choice” implies that a choice actually exists and the money is there, does it not? I’ve been in a situation where I’ve not had much choice but to spend money on food, and been literally hours away from not having much choice but to go hungry.

FFS I’ve clapped outside my holiday home (tilted the blind) what more do ya want.

My NHS uniform/pub jacket (green jacket with NHS patch) has come in very useful, like my WW2 medals and tramp disguise! The gang master said I done good like.

It’s all “our” and “we” now isn’t it.

Pay-em/resource-em right and don’t **** them around with half-arsed, rationed, mend & make do equipment and vapourware hospitals.

Pay-em/resource-em right and don’t **** them around with half-arsed, rationed, mend & make do equipment and vapourware hospitals.

Yep

from 40 hospitals to six tories nhs numbers dont add up

This type of nonsense needs to be stopped, the NHS is for the people not a political toy rolled out to get your agenda as it was during Brexit and Boris’s election.

Just donated bunnyhop. Really inspiring work you’re doing. Thank you and the rest of your volunteers.

Is just giving a charity or company? The cynic in me says they must be doing very well out off all of this.