“He has not been able to see the evidence against him neither has his lawyer. The only person representing him is a special advocate who is not allowed to speak to him or his solicitor. There you have the bizarre situation where someone is representing him who has never met him or his lawyer”
Doesnt sound as terrifying a person as we would be made to believe.
Well after reading “There you have the bizarre situation where someone is representing him who has never met him or his lawyer” I’m getting quite terrified of British justice.
With a beard like that we should be able to deport him without any form of trial / hearing. He’s quite obviously a serious threat to our country and should be deported immediately.
Ernie, even someone as deliberately contrary as you (in the sense of your online persona of course) can’t argue that he hasn’t had access to due process (or the largesse of the welfare state). If it wasn’t for the fact that on balance I believe we should try to be exemplary in matters of justice, I would be happy to pay for his plane ticket myself.
It’s also made me pretty antagonistic towards the ECHR, a position I didn’t think I would reach.
<enters thread planning to make Lion King joke. Is secretly pleased to find out he’s not the only person to think it, yet will pretend to be disappointed to be beaten to it>
Ernie, even someone as deliberately contrary as you (in the sense of your online persona of course) can’t argue that he hasn’t had access to due process
😕 I’m not arguing anything – I know nothing about the case, the clue was in my comment, quote : “Don’t know”
I’m simply saying that I hope the following is not true :
“There you have the bizarre situation where someone is representing him who has never met him or his lawyer”
“In 1999, Qatada was sentenced in absentia by Jordan to life imprisonment with hard labour for conspiracy to carry out terror attacks, and subsequently in 2000 to a further 15 years for his involvement in a plot to bomb tourists attending Millennium celebrations in Jordan”
… to suggest an amendment to “Derek’s Law” – just the thing for such inconvenient situations where one has “insufficent evidence”, or “inadmissable evidence” from those chaps in MI5 or over at Langley… 🙄
Having read the guardian link I can only wonder why we gave him asylum.
How big a scumbag do you have to be to be denied access to my country?
On one hand we are bombing the shit out of someone elses country killing god knows how many innocent people, while carefully protecting one of the people we are trying to catch.
I may not know the full story on this, feel free to point out any errors I have made. Educate me.
Mrs May may well regret making such an issue of his deportation. The ECHR are bound to take into account the political ‘noises off’ around the issue and Cameron’s hostility to to the EHCR.
Watching Theresa May’s false bravado and over-confidence in the HoC a couple of nights ago filled me with dread at the time – I remember thinking, I hope this confidence is deserved. Next day, the balloon looks well and truly burst. Bloody shambles – pathetic when politicians can’t dot the i’s and cross the t’s correctly. Thank goodness these people are kept out of important jobs in the real world!! 😉
Someone is due an almighty boll***ing in the Home Office.
Surely David Cameron/the justice system has the ability to:
– pick up a phone and make him ‘disappear’
– refuse any form of bail
– remind him of the fact he’s wanted for trial of 2 terrorist plots and just dump him on a plane to Jordan, European appeal or not
I hate to say it but this kind of fannying around wouldn’t happen in the states…
If our glorious leaders paid as much attention to legal detail – ANY interest at all might be a start – as they do trying to write tomorrow’s Daily Mail headlines, then maybe biblical (Quranic?) scale **** ups like this might be avoided
I can imagine there’s a bit of this kind of thing going on at the moment…
Exactly what we should do zippykona. If the europeans think he deserves to be in europe, they can have him. The UK should be able to decide who remains in its borders.
That would be an idea. Drop him on the steps of the EU headquarters in Brussels. If we wanted to add a Gallic touch, we could maybe then spray the reception area with silage, then set fire to some cars in the road outside?
Out of interest, what are the consequences of just bundling him on a plane? Are you just in contempt of court of the ECHR and if so who is? Is it the UK government as a whole (in which case who cares?), or is it the PM/HS as individuals (in which case I can understand why they haven’t just bundled him onto a plane).
If we’re on about the ‘proper’ law, then senior government ministers, and their no doubt obscenely well-paid legal advisors seem to be struggling with the interpretation of that a bit, at the moment
May was warned when the actual date was by the EU and she disagreed with them so proceeded anyway …and some think the Tories are arrogant and cockily self assured.
If this goes pear shaped [ and he then sues for wrongful arrest] then many heads really do deserve to roll for that.
Dereks Law it should remain a STW in joke for years to come 😀
