Abu Qatada

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  • Abu Qatada
  • Whats he supposed to have done?
    Why can we not put him on trial?

    isn’t it something to do with timon and pumbaa ?

    yossarian
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    Crucifixion?

    Line on the left, one cross each

    Why can we not put him on trial?

    Don’t know……maybe because of lack of evidence ?

    “He has not been able to see the evidence against him neither has his lawyer. The only person representing him is a special advocate who is not allowed to speak to him or his solicitor. There you have the bizarre situation where someone is representing him who has never met him or his lawyer”

    The case against Abu Qatada

    Doesnt sound as terrifying a person as we would be made to believe.

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6vLAa-kylM[/video]

    wrecker
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    Why would we want to put him on trial? Let someone else do it.
    The sooner he’s gone the better.

    Doesnt sound as terrifying a person as we would be made to believe.

    Well after reading “There you have the bizarre situation where someone is representing him who has never met him or his lawyer” I’m getting quite terrified of British justice.

    I hope it’s not true.

    bainbrge
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    For some reason, facially he reminds me of Ray Mears.

    Wrecker trying him ourself may be the quicker option, seems like May may have **** it up.

    footflaps
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    With a beard like that we should be able to deport him without any form of trial / hearing. He’s quite obviously a serious threat to our country and should be deported immediately.

    bainbrge
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    Ernie, even someone as deliberately contrary as you (in the sense of your online persona of course) can’t argue that he hasn’t had access to due process (or the largesse of the welfare state). If it wasn’t for the fact that on balance I believe we should try to be exemplary in matters of justice, I would be happy to pay for his plane ticket myself.

    It’s also made me pretty antagonistic towards the ECHR, a position I didn’t think I would reach.

    Premier Icon Northwind
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    <enters thread planning to make Lion King joke. Is secretly pleased to find out he’s not the only person to think it, yet will pretend to be disappointed to be beaten to it>

    Ernie, even someone as deliberately contrary as you (in the sense of your online persona of course) can’t argue that he hasn’t had access to due process

    πŸ˜• I’m not arguing anything – I know nothing about the case, the clue was in my comment, quote : “Don’t know”

    I’m simply saying that I hope the following is not true :

    “There you have the bizarre situation where someone is representing him who has never met him or his lawyer”

    Seems no one really knows why he’s the bogey man then.

    allthepies
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    I thought it was due to this:-

    “In 1999, Qatada was sentenced in absentia by Jordan to life imprisonment with hard labour for conspiracy to carry out terror attacks, and subsequently in 2000 to a further 15 years for his involvement in a plot to bomb tourists attending Millennium celebrations in Jordan”

    will
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    Everytime I hear this chaps name I can’t help but think about Homeland πŸ˜†

    rkk01
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    Someone will be along soon…

    … to suggest an amendment to “Derek’s Law” – just the thing for such inconvenient situations where one has “insufficent evidence”, or “inadmissable evidence” from those chaps in MI5 or over at Langley… πŸ™„

    Allthepirs, he’s been tried for them i was under the impression they eanted to try him for something else? Why has he been locked up here?

    Premier Icon zippykona
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    Having read the guardian link I can only wonder why we gave him asylum.
    How big a scumbag do you have to be to be denied access to my country?
    On one hand we are bombing the shit out of someone elses country killing god knows how many innocent people, while carefully protecting one of the people we are trying to catch.
    I may not know the full story on this, feel free to point out any errors I have made. Educate me.

    wrecker
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    I may not know the full story on this, feel free to point out any errors I have made. Educate me.

    No, I think you’ve pretty much got it. πŸ˜€

    Mrs May may well regret making such an issue of his deportation. The ECHR are bound to take into account the political ‘noises off’ around the issue and Cameron’s hostility to to the EHCR.

    yossarian
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    ‘derek’s law’

    πŸ˜†

    Watching Theresa May’s false bravado and over-confidence in the HoC a couple of nights ago filled me with dread at the time – I remember thinking, I hope this confidence is deserved. Next day, the balloon looks well and truly burst. Bloody shambles – pathetic when politicians can’t dot the i’s and cross the t’s correctly. Thank goodness these people are kept out of important jobs in the real world!! πŸ˜‰

    Someone is due an almighty boll***ing in the Home Office.

    Premier Icon D0NK
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    With a beard like that we should be able to deport him without any form of trial / hearing

    Ed-O must be bricking it.

    How big a scumbag do you have to be to be denied access to my country?

    [b]Your[/b] country?

    khani
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    “Derek’s law” πŸ˜† every time I read that it makes me larf as well…

    He’s taking the mickey.

    Surely David Cameron/the justice system has the ability to:
    – pick up a phone and make him ‘disappear’
    – refuse any form of bail
    – remind him of the fact he’s wanted for trial of 2 terrorist plots and just dump him on a plane to Jordan, European appeal or not

    I hate to say it but this kind of fannying around wouldn’t happen in the states…

    Premier Icon binners
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    If our glorious leaders paid as much attention to legal detail – ANY interest at all might be a start – as they do trying to write tomorrow’s Daily Mail headlines, then maybe biblical (Quranic?) scale **** ups like this might be avoided

    I can imagine there’s a bit of this kind of thing going on at the moment…

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5jr33wiVZQ[/video]

    And ‘Dereks Law’? Genius! πŸ˜†

    Premier Icon D0NK
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    this kind of fannying around wouldn’t happen in the states…

    ah yes those paragons of virtue in the international community

    Premier Icon zippykona
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    Exactly how big will the fine be if we just **** him right off out of here in defiance of the court ruling?
    I will organise a whip round.

    jota180
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    I’d just put him on the plane and if the euro court complain, just do a Gallic shrug
    Often seems to be the easiest way with Euro matters

    wrecker
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    Exactly what we should do zippykona. If the europeans think he deserves to be in europe, they can have him. The UK should be able to decide who remains in its borders.

    Premier Icon binners
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    That would be an idea. Drop him on the steps of the EU headquarters in Brussels. If we wanted to add a Gallic touch, we could maybe then spray the reception area with silage, then set fire to some cars in the road outside?

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    Out of interest, what are the consequences of just bundling him on a plane? Are you just in contempt of court of the ECHR and if so who is? Is it the UK government as a whole (in which case who cares?), or is it the PM/HS as individuals (in which case I can understand why they haven’t just bundled him onto a plane).

    wrecker
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    How about a “whoops he’s escaped and we don’t know where he is” type arrangement?
    Drop him over at Diego Garcia. Job jobbed.

    Wouldn’t it be easier just to apply the rule of law?

    Premier Icon binners
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    Dereks Law?

    If we’re on about the ‘proper’ law, then senior government ministers, and their no doubt obscenely well-paid legal advisors seem to be struggling with the interpretation of that a bit, at the moment

    jota180
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    Out of interest, what are the consequences of just bundling him on a plane?

    Hard to say, we could always claim there is a margin of appreciation applied here

    I believe Jack Straw may be finding out the consequences of just putting them on a plane.

    Junkyard
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    May was warned when the actual date was by the EU and she disagreed with them so proceeded anyway …and some think the Tories are arrogant and cockily self assured.

    If this goes pear shaped [ and he then sues for wrongful arrest] then many heads really do deserve to roll for that.

    Dereks Law it should remain a STW in joke for years to come πŸ˜€

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