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  • 4 stroke fuel, where from?
  • DT78
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    I have a whacker plate that says it needs 4 stroke fuell.  Where do I get it from?  Is it the same as lawnmower “oil” I can pick up from b&q?  Is it all pretty much the same stuff or any brands to avoid?  Have never bought the stuff before

    teethgrinder
    Full Member

    Erm… Isn’t it just unleaded?

    trail_rat
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    4stroke is just regular fuel with a separate sump of lubrication oil that’s not introduced via the fuel.

    A whacker won’t get regular use I’m sure in a domestic setting so you could go Aspen fuel but I would favour just draining the tank between uses.

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    tthew
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    4stroke is just regular fuel with a separate sump of lubrication oil

    No, that’s 2 stroke. 4 stroke is same as a car engine. Just normal petrol needed.

    Edit – it’s common for small engines to ship with no lubricating oil in the sump,  so if it’s a new machine,  check first and don’t run it dry.

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    redmex
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    I’m guessing you have hired this machine so surely if you don’t know much about them they would have given you a demonstration on how to start, use it and switch it off

    It will be normal petrol no oil needed

    A two stroke engine eg a Stihl saw or chainsaw will need two stroke oil added to the petrol

    They are known as vibrating plates or Wacker plates not whacker due to the German company Wacker . A bit like a Hoover for a vacuum cleaner

    trail_rat
    Free Member

    4stroke is just regular fuel with a separate sump of lubrication oil
    No, that’s 2 stroke. 4 stroke is same as a car engine. Just normal petrol needed.

    Naw it’s nae. 2stk has the fuel and oil in the same tank pre mixed with the exception of some high-performance engines with dosing tanks. -unlikely to be found on a wacker plate

    But yes unleaded is correct

    It may not technically be a wacker but you’ll have more success calling it that else you’ll end up with a vibrating plate

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTVc3MYF4ss1t_7zeQCxGqlDuxkUgNHDZmwjg&s

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    birky
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    Is it old? Does it mean 4 star rather than 4 stroke? You can get lead substitute additive I think for older engines.

    timber
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    If it’s hired, any old unleaded will do.

    If it’s yours and you have an eye on longevity, use E5 and run it dry/empty it after use. Higher ethanol E10 stuff will crystalise in the system.
    Even with the E5 (or the alkolytes), avoid keeping more than you need as it will still degrade over months.

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    DT78
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    not hired, aldi special buy bought for not very much

    this one:
    https://www.aldi.co.uk/scheppach-hp110s-petrol-compactor/p/807467500341600

    the manual is quite unhelpful!

    i was assuming it needed leaded fuel and unleaded from the garage would screw it up.

    so i need oil and fuel? and unleaded is fine? never had a petrol powered tool so completely clueless, and dont want to put the wrong stuff in and screw it up

    after ive done my patio, drive and a couple of paths it will probably go on facebay and I will probably break even

    DT78
    Free Member

    instructions just refer to it as ‘gasoline’

    DT78
    Free Member

    and i need to apologies for the weather. as per usual as soon as i start an outdoor job the weather forecast shifts to pissing with rain for the next week….

    Drac
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    You can buy kits that allow you to get the mix right, it basically has additional oil in.

    trail_rat
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    If it’s from Aldi the. EU regs dictate it cannot require leaded fuel -dating back to about 1989.

    And quite possibly even cannot even  be 2stk although I didn’t keep up to date on that discussion

    And if it states gasoline then it’s unleaded you need.

    If it’s new. Make sure the engine has oil in it. (It’ll be a separate filler as a 4stk will have a sump of lubricating oil unlike a 2stk)

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    trail_rat
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    Seen the photos now.

    Unleaded with no extra oil or other wise added goes in the filler cap on the top

    On the front right side is a grey dipstick – check that the right amount of oil is in there – paying attention to the sticker on the left under the red on off switch for working on your level.

    timber
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    Just petrol, same as a lawnmower. On the website in the last picture you can spot the blue/green head of the dipstick – again same as mower or car it has a sump of oil to cool and lubricate the cylinder.

    It’s designed to be used the same way up all the time and no need for lightweight like a chainsaw or brush cutter that would be 2-stroke. Those have no oil sump due to the range of movement and to keep weight down and rely on oil in the fuel for lubrication that in turn reduces heat.

    DT78
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    brilliant thanks all. itll be a couple of weeks till im dragging it out of the shed judging by the weather.

    whilst i have some experts on the thread….any idea if an evolution concrete saw is up for the job of cutting porclean slabs? its pretty happy through concrete.

    Ive just been checking the palette and i have a couple of broken tiles to test on.

    I have a recessed drain to fit and it means im going to need to cut slots which im not looking forward to.

    i have a wet tile saw but unless i bodge something it wont be able to fit 900×600 slabs and Id think it might struggle with 20mm thick

    other option is a small battery makita angle grinder if i buy a diamond blade for it

    Cougar
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    I have a 4-stroke engine. It’s in my car. I buy fuel for it from a petrol station. HTH. 🙂

    Joking aside, it seems wildly unlikely that it would specify four-star fuel, pre-unleaded days [**]/[****] was like comparing regular vs super (well, shit vs regular) and that notion went out long before I was old enough to drive.

    2-stroke fuel is a mix of regular petrol and oil.

    timba
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    Check the spec plates on the machine, the images from your link show HP1100S. Manual here https://www.manualslib.com/manual/2071108/Scheppach-Hp1100s.html?page=21#manual

    Recommended octane rating over 90 unleaded gasoline For unleaded gasoline, can make carbon deposit muck less and enhance exhaust system service life

    Recommended engine oil SAE 10W-30 or 10W-40 (depending on the operating temperature)

    You can safely use E5 petrol in an E10 engine ^^ , some garden machinery prefers E5. Drain the petrol if you’re not using it for a few weeks and run until it cuts out

    masterdabber
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    This won’t, I’m sure, affect the OP but there are also some Stihl tools that have what they call 4-Mix engines. These are 4 stroke engines that use premix fuel and have no engine oil sump.

    Blazin-saddles
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    whilst i have some experts on the thread….any idea if an evolution concrete saw is up for the job of cutting porclean slabs? its pretty happy through concrete.

    if you want them rough and chipped, sure.  The correct tool is a Diamond blade water cooled tile cutter or if you’ve not loads to cut and possess a steady hand and eye, a Diamond tile blade in a grinder.

    singletrackmind
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    Screwfix sell fuel stabilisers design to stop the petrol going off between uses.

    Mostly lawnmowers that sit in a shed and get nice and warm so the volatilities gas off and the fuel goes bad.

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    kormoran
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    whilst i have some experts on the thread….any idea if an evolution concrete saw is up for the job of cutting porclean slabs? its pretty happy through concrete.

    if you want them rough and chipped, sure. The correct tool is a Diamond blade water cooled tile cutter or if you’ve not loads to cut and possess a steady hand and eye, a Diamond tile blade in a grinder.

    I often tape the cut line with masking tape, then mark the cut on the tape. Then cut through the tape. It massively reduces chipping out

    Works on work surfaces and laminate very well.

    Jingle
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    I did a Google search for “Instruction manual for scheppach-hp110s-petrol-compactor”.  The manufacturer doesn’t have manuals on their website https://www.scheppach.com/en/service/contact-forms but you can at least contact them if you lose yours.  I found what I think you have on a dodgy-looking website (ManualsLib).

    Page 3 has drawings with things numbered, the English language part of the manual starts at page 22.

    Page 26 section 10 includes instructions for checking the engine oil.

    Page 22 section 2 “Device description”(figure A)” does not seem to include the engine oil dipstick, so I’m afraid that you are on your own to find something that looks like a dipstick.

    Page 22 section 3 “Technical data” gives the motoroil volume as max 0,6 litre, which I think is German for 0.6 litres, or 600 millilitres.

    Page 29 gives instructions for changing the motor oil – you could use the refilling part of the changing instructions for the first fill.  Doesn’t specifically explain where to put the oil, but it does refer to “the filling cap (measuring stick)”, so it might be a case of using a funnel to pour it down the dipstick tube, which would be awkward, but for 600ml, shouldn’t be the end of the world.  I’m afraid that I couldn’t find a diagram of this part of the engine.

    Yes, I know the manual has referred to it as “engine oil”, “motoroil” and “motor oil”.  I think that they all refer to the same thing, and that they are the result of a less-than-perfect translation.

    Recommended engine oil is SAE 10W-30 or 10W-40 (depending on the operating temperature).  If you are out buying engine oil, something like Halfords own should do fine.

    If you want to be more picky about engine oil, check https://www.opieoils.co.uk/t-api-car-engine-oil-specifications-explained.aspx or https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en-eur/understanding-oil-standards-acea-specifications/ There is a bewildering selection of higher specification that car manufacturers require because car engines are now very advanced.  If I’m reading those websites correctly, might be sensible to look for something like:

    • API (stands for American Petroleum Institute) ‘S’ specification of ‘L’ or later:  will say something like “API SM”
    • and/or ACEA (stands for European automobile manufacturers association, but in French “Association des Constructeurs Européens d’Automobiles”), grade A/B, probably A3/B3.

    Oh, and Page 28, section 13 “Storage” gives instructions for draining the fuel tank completely, starting the engine, and running it until it stops.  DON’T BE LAZY.

    You mentioned that you don’t know much about this sort of thing, so with apologies, and at the risk of insulting your intelligence, I will write this:  Do drain the petrol and run the engine.  DO NOT DRAIN THE ENGINE OIL AND RUN THE ENGINE!  Would be a very quick way of making an expensive, useless garden ornament.

    DT78
    Free Member

    thanks all, will be picking up some unleaded. guilty of getting a bit confused with it!

    on the tiling if i work it out right i need 11 cuts excluding the recessed drain cover. trying to adjust the layout to reduce as much as possible

    the concrete saw has a diamond blade, seems evo also sell a ‘premium’ diamond blade as well which they rate for porcelain. plan was to lay it on a big slab of kingspan to support whilst i cut hoping that it would reduce the liklihood of chipping. im told you need to cut face up as well. id tape as well

    i have a small wet cutter which i could use but i will need to extend the bed somehow. its no where near as powerful as the concrete saw though

    hiring a proper large sized paving one looks quite expensive

    Blazin-saddles
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    I tile for a living so approached mine from that point of view.  I’d be surprised if you could cut accurately enough with a petrol disc cutter for porcelain unless the joints are all at the edges and relatively unseen, mine is laid at 4mm joint, so accuracy is quite important, but you can always try.

    If you have access to a 4” grinder, toolstation sell a decent dry tile cutting blade for about £8-£10 which would be much better.

    Tape doesn’t help with cutting porcelain IMO, other than to help you see the marks, I prefer to see what I’m cutting directly.

    The Kingspan is a good shout as support is important, defo cut face up.

    DT78
    Free Member

    All the cuts, apart from the drain will be on the perimeter against gravel, but I still want it as spot on as I can get,  plan on 5mm joints as recommended by Brad stone.

    the saw I have is electric, (“whacker” is petrol)

    Links aren’t working? it’s an evo r230.  I’ve found it very easy to use on concrete flags, but worried about it skating about on porcelain

    I also have a erbauer tile cutter which has done quite a lot of work, I think 20mm porcelain might kill it

    Only angle grinder I have is a battery makita but I’m always happy for an excuse to add to the tool chest !

    DT78
    Free Member

    I’m surprised there isn’t a plunge saw equivalent for this sort of thing.  Clip a rail on, and just take your time with small increments in depth with out worrying about wandering off the line

    kormoran
    Free Member

    Tape doesn’t help with cutting porcelain IMO, other than to help you see the marks

    Noted ?

    bruneep
    Full Member

    4 stroke engine not 4 * fuel

    90 octane

    Unleaded do fine

    Blazin-saddles
    Full Member

    I’m surprised there isn’t a plunge saw equivalent for this sort of thing.  Clip a rail on, and just take your time with small increments in depth with out worrying about wandering off the line

    I have a diamond blade for stone that fits my Festool TS55, you have to remove the riving knife though and it can get a bit grabby.  I’ve used it to cut granite worktops successfully.  I also have a Festool grinder with an attachment for the rail system as well with a vacuum attachment.

    https://www.powertool-supplies.co.uk/festool-diamond-cutting-system-dsc-ag-125-plus-230v.html?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADr9ZZ0FXotb4il_-SsYmta5uUEJC&gclid=Cj0KCQjw-ai0BhDPARIsAB6hmP5cQakf1Qy8t58yGUI-auz2As_KNrHk_c0SHlMKV0PePU1R5U0PNNwaAj8-EALw_wcB

    You’ll def kill your Erbauer tile saw with them, they made my Dewalt 36000 groan a bit!  I’d give the small blade in your battery makita a whirl 1st, if nothing else it’s only £8 lost.  Give the big saw a whirl, but I fear chips and marks.  I’ve seen landscapers porcelain work before!

    DT78
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    Hmmm as I already have some festool rails and an extractor that system looks mighty tempting, has good reviews too.

    i still have 2 more bathrooms to go in the future so potentially used for other jobs too

    technically I’m under budget as I had costed the job with 2 guys doing it, who no longer can be arsed to answer their phone

    Blazin-saddles
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    To be honest, I don’t use my rail system for tile work, I much prefer to free hand them.  I bought it before I owned my big Dewalt tile wet tile saw, as I had someone working with me and I thought it might help him get straight repeatable cuts, but in reality it wasn’t all that as it’s really slow going and the rails tend to slip on wet/dusty/gritty surfaces.   I think it’s more intended for concrete cutting.  I mainly use the grinder part of it these days and sack off the rail attachments.

    bigfoot
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    @Blazin-saddles

    how do you find the  36000?  had my 24000 for at least 15 years and while its still a good saw been thinking for a few years i need to replace it as its just not big enough

    Blazin-saddles
    Full Member

    Bigfoot – I like it.  Never used a 24000 but I’m happy with the range of tile sizes I can cut with it, overhanging the table for oversized pieces as well. Done 1200 x 600 with a bit of imagination.

    As you’ll know, the best feature for me is I can leave the wet bits behind on site and just take the expensive motor/blade assembly home with me at night to save having to pack it all down.  It’s easy for one man to carry/break down, unlike the last wet cutter I had.

    I’d buy again if required.

    DickBarton
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    We use that for trailbuilding – standard unleaded works well in it…certainly has for the last 3.5 years.

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