And what purpose would have been served by a 10 yr stretch rather than 2? the cyclist is still dead and the truckers life is in tatters.

That's a flippin outrage. I don't normally post on threads like this but that is shocking.

That really is wrong.

Maybe he should be permanently stripped of his driving licence as well (driving a motor vehicle is not a right, it's a priviledge and he's shown that he doesn't deserve that priviledge) and made to cycle up and down the busiest roads in the country, every day for the length of his sentence, or until he understands what it's like to feel the rush of 4 tonnes of metal passing at 60mph just inches from your right elbow (whichever is the longer term). Or not quite passing, if that's what happens.

I hear the A9 has an enviable reputation for this purpose.

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here is the linky.

To kill the cyclist then pick up his bike and then drive many miles and dump it,says a lot for the mentality of the driver.

It is a strange outcome, if the story 0n our local news is correct the lorry hit the guy on the bike, said rider was left clinging to the windscreen wipers of the wagon but the driver would not stop but carried on driving until the rider fell off under the wheels of the truck. Driver then, according to winesses, drove for a further 6 miles with the bike under his vehicle, finally stopped, pulled the bike out, put it in the truck, drove 30 miles out of his way to dump the bike in a remote area and carried on as if nothing had happened.

2 years jail and a 3 year driving ban seems very lenient, especially as the driver has shown no remorse and was verbally abusive to the family while in court.

I usually agree with TJ about not giving long sentences merely for revenge but this case does seem to justify more jail time, and definately a longer, if not permanent, driving ban.

Disgraceful.

I'm sorry, but how the **** can a jury find this piece of filth not guilty of causing death by dangerous driving?

Surely it's at least that, even manslaughter? I mean, if you reverse over someone and you're not looking, it's an accident through negligence, but to have a man clinging to your wndscreen and still not stop, you have to be acting recklessly with regard to that person's life. Surely?
I'm not sure that there isn't a case for murder, once you realise what you have done and refuse to save a person from slipping under your wheels.

One wonders what he'd have been charged with if a) he'd been a foreign driver (juries don't like foreign lorry drivers) or b) the person clinging from the windscreen had been a young mother, a 'pretty' school girl (juries like schoolgirls and mums) or a motorists.

I really fail to understand how that is not murder?
Granted the initial accident may be an error/accident whatever.
However driving whilst someone clings to your wipers – presumabaly staring at you and screaming and they start to slowly slipp down the front of your large vehicles windscreen….only one thing can happen they fall you run them over they die.
How that is not is not murder is beyond me.
Accident + stop = man alive
Accident + drive till he falls under your wheels = murder IMHO

TWO YEARS FFS I am like a Daily mail reader now being told an immigrant just got benefits HOW THE **** DO I COMPLAIN absolutely outrageous.

The chap clearly isn't the full ticket, he didn't behave like any normal sane person. The article also mentions previous similar convictions. Shouldn't be on the streets, is a danger to the public. 2 years is ridiculous, I really really hope he got a lifetime driving ban as well though no mention of it.

It only implies it but it seems he denied knowledge that he knew he had hit the cyclist at the time and so it would be hard to prove, especially in a lorry, that he was aware of the cyclist clinging to the vehicle. In those circumstances the lesser offence is usually persued. What they could have done though is give him a consecutive sentence for the perverting offence, which gives the judge license to whack on a theoretical life sentence, though in reality you'll get nowhere near that.

However driving whilst someone clings to your wipers – presumabaly staring at you and screaming and they start to slowly slipp down the front of your large vehicles windscreen….only one thing can happen they fall you run them over they die.

It is a strange outcome, if the story 0n our local news is correct the lorry hit the guy on the bike, said rider was left clinging to the windscreen wipers of the wagon but the driver would not stop but carried on driving until the rider fell off under the wheels of the truck

A witness had told the court how 41-year-old Mr Spink, from Normanton, was dragged under the wheels of the lorry as it turned left at a junction near Wakefield city centre. Mr Spink was seen clinging on to the windscreen wipers of Stubbs's vehicle to try and prevent being dragged under.

Over-embellishment adds nothing to the argument

you make some good points on this forum but that has got to be a troll. if someone was clinging to my screen i would stop and make sure they were okay, not continue and murder them. Minimum should be long manslaughter sentence but if i were to decide he'd get life sentence.

Only reporting what was said on our news, not intentionally over-embelishing.

Sorry – that just goes to show how inaccurate reporting can lead folk on the internet to reach conclusions not agreed with by those who heard the whole story first hand.

Even the BBC news reports that a witness saw Mr Spink clinging to the wipers of the truck, since they are pretty much in front of the driver he either didn't see or didn't care (and I assume the former).

For such a lapse, and especially inlight of comments he is supposed to have made in court ( I wasn't there) deriding the cyclist, I personally think he should not be driving again in a couple of years.

horrible story the sentence must be an extra horror for the family.

some bloke just got 18mnths for doing 160odd on his motorbike and a hefty ban. that doesnt sit very well against this story.

As project said, the lorry driver can rebuild his life. The cyclist can't.

I'd have thought that a 10 stretch and a life-time ban on any vehicle would be a *start*. Seen too many near hits caused by people not concentrating properly, using phones etc. People drive like tossers because they know they can. More appropriate punishment may cause some people to think more and thereby save lives.

From the ststement by the cyclists family on the news they were unhappy with the sentence but what had really upset them was the derogatory comments made by the driver: blaming the cyclist and calling him 'suicidal', refusing to say that he regretted the incident and in respect of his attitude towards the family in court – this is only heresay as I wasn'y in the court.

Perhaps a Number 10 Petition asking for an official review on the sentence of Andrew Stubbs?

Maximum sentence for careless driving is 5-years. Maximum sentence for perverting the course of justice is Life.

I hope that when Stubbs (the driver) bends down to pick the soap up in the prison shower, Mr Bigg is using barbed wire and razorblades in chilli sauce as a lubricant. Every day.