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  • 11 year old car in limp mode – what to do?
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    sl2000
    Full Member

    My 2013 diesel Peugeot is in limp mode with a fault on the fuel additive pump. It’s done 130,000 miles.

    My regular garage changed the pump but it didn’t resolve the fault. He says he’s not the guy to take it further; and can’t recommend anyone. (He suggests I might want to find someone to remove the DPF which won’t be doing.)

    I’ve taken it in for an initial investigation for £120 at the main dealer. They say no issue with the pump and will need to do ‘further investigation to check wiring etc’ for £348.

    I think my next steps are either to find an independent garage to diagnose and repair; or sell it for a few hundred in limp mode and buy another car.

    Does STW think it’s worth persevering on this car?

    (And if I do keep it, can anyone recommend a garage near-ish to Brighton to take it to?)

    Posted 1 month ago
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    dooosuk
    Free Member

    Get on google and the telephone and find a local diesel/peugeot specialist.

    The new apprenticies at the main dealer won’t know anything about a 2013 car….you’ve just wasted £120.

    Posted 1 month ago
    gobuchul
    Free Member

    ^This

    Posted 1 month ago
    sl2000
    Full Member

    you’ve just wasted £120.

    I know that now!

    Get on google and the telephone and find a local diesel/peugeot specialist

    I have tried googling ‘diesel specialist near Brighton’ and ‘Peugeot specialist near Brighton’ and can’t see anyone obvious.

    Posted 1 month ago
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    RustyNissanPrairie
    Full Member

    Join French car.forum or Berlingo forum if indeed it is a Berlingo/Partner (I expect it is seeing as your on STW!).

    You need someone with Lexia / PP2000 (Peugeot Planet) software and dongle. It’s dealer level diagnostics and is more in depth than standard OBD diagnosis.

    I keep tinkering my 20year French shitbox so I’d say an 11year version has years left in it yet.

    Posted 1 month ago
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    MoreCashThanDash
    Full Member

    I keep tinkering my 20year French shitbox so I’d say an 11year version has years left in it yet.

    Awful euphemism

    Posted 1 month ago
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    davespike1981
    Full Member

    Its is stories like this that make my thankful that my local here in mid Wales reads codes as part of the understanding of the issue rather than a money making exercise and has in the past let me take his reader home to diagnose and clear faults myself. They would also not charge for work that does not resolve the issue.

    Did they give you the error code? Lots of potentials on Peugeot forum for additive pump issues (i’m on a few for a 2013 Partner teepee) with an equally large number of potential resolutions. Some interesting ones that jump out are did the issue occur after filling up with additive? and has the pump swap that the garage performed been coded to the right additive quality?

    Posted 1 month ago
    13thfloormonk
    Full Member

    Our 11 year old diesel Honda did this several times, replacing a pressure sensor on the fuel rail and the fuel filter resolved it (I’m not a car mechanic, just quoting what the mechanic told me!)

    Posted 1 month ago
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    Scienceofficer
    Free Member

    The new apprenticies at the main dealer won’t know anything about a 2013 car….you’ve just wasted £120.

    Fixed that for you.

    Posted 1 month ago
    mick_r
    Full Member

    The fuel rail pressure sensor is a common and easily fixed fault which I’ve done on my lad’s Berlingo, but it came up with a fault code relating to fuel pressure – nothing to do with the fuel additive.

    Has it actually got any fuel additive? (presumably eolys fluid)

    Posted 1 month ago
    wbo
    Free Member

    Having owned a similar age Peugot I’d assume a sensor somewhere has failed as that put me in limp mode every now and then.  Cheap when you know which one…

    Posted 1 month ago
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    sl2000
    Full Member

    Thanks all.


    @RustyNissanPrairie    . I’m assuming the dealer plugged in the diagnostics and it’s failed to say where the fault is. Do you think someone with Lexia / PP2000 would be able to tell more? I’ve had a look around the French Car forum (my Peugeot is a 308) and can see there’s a ‘Recommended Garages and Services’ board – but there’s not a lot of activity. It looks like it might be super-helpful for someone like you who repairs their own car and contributes – but I’m not sure they want someone to rock up with a ‘who can fix my car’ question.


    @davespike1981

    Did they give you the error code?

    They’ve emailed me a print out of the diagnostics… https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:EU:55355e06-8950-4f96-a880-7a48aca3bfc7 . I’m not sure from that what the fault codes are. I can see text errors listed (e.g. “CAN fault or additive pump fault”) but not codes.

    Did the issue occur after filling up with additive? and has the pump swap that the garage performed been coded to the right additive quality?

    Yes – within 6 months of filling up. And I don’t know.

    Posted 1 month ago
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    TheFlyingOx
    Full Member

    P1435 is your fault code

    Posted 1 month ago
    lambchop
    Free Member

    Is there a local Facebook page for your town/village/area? I had an issue with my French Shitbox a couple of weeks ago. I asked on the local Facebook page for garage recommendations, turned out there was one less than half a mile away on a local trading estate. Highly recommended by many in the area.  I had no idea it was there. Car is now fixed.

    Posted 1 month ago
    argee
    Full Member

    If it cheers you up i spent 1500 quid sorting the DPF on my 2013 kuga, only for the ECU to fail 2 months later, it’s still sat there with a shiny DPF and no ability to move since April!

    Any diesel over 10 years old is just a money pit for me, the bathtub curve is definitely on an upward slope now

    Posted 1 month ago
    5lab
    Free Member

    if they think its wiring, I’ve used this chap a couple of times in crawley – he was able to repair wiring on my driveway twice (in hassocks – different cars) after tracing an issue.

    https://www.autoelectrical-crawley.co.uk/contact.html

    might be able to help you out. I think his min fee is around £130 – both times he fixed my cars within that time.

    Posted 1 month ago
    dooosuk
    Free Member

    Could well be the additive tank itself or wiring loom rot.

    Interesting YouTube video on this link where they’ve replaced the pump like you but still had the code:
    https://www.peugeotforums.com/threads/p1435-and-p1434-fault-on-peugeot-3008.345827/

    Seems there’s a different option in the scan tool to use. Also talks of wiring loom rot about 30cm from the pump so should be easy to check.

    Posted 1 month ago
    mattyfez
    Full Member

    Joining an owners group forum and asking is invaluable, sometimes you have to read between the lines a bit, but are generally a gold mine of information for car specific issues.

    Posted 1 month ago
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    ernielynch
    Full Member

    Don’t take it to Stellantis would be my advice and instead find a local independent firm with recommendations.

    A couple of months ago the above Peugeot dealer claimed I needed a new DPF  and quoted £2k plus. Took it to the highly recommended A J Turners and they sorted it out for two hundred and something quid. Even the worst case scenario A J Turners quoted me three hundred and something.

    Tbh since you are Brighton based I would recommend A J Turners, bit of a drive but very easy to get to from Brighton, and they have quite a reputation for reliability and not ripping people off.

    Posted 1 month ago
    mc
    Free Member

    Most likely a wiring a fault if the tank/pump has been changed, or even just a fuse.

    £120 for just a printout of codes is why the motor trade has such a rubbish reputation. I’d be wanting at least a basic diagnosis, with an indication of the probable fault (if it’s wiring, you can be into how long’s a piece for string time lengths!), especially on a system that only has 3 wires, that should only take minutes for a competent tech to test the wiring on.

    Posted 1 month ago
    Tom83
    Full Member

    I’m sure O’rileys autos on youtube (mobile mechanic) had a video a while back about Peugeots when they hit 130k a fault appears. I’ll have a dig later and see if I can find it for you.

    Edit: found it, but its for p1445. Apologies.

    Posted 1 month ago
    RustyNissanPrairie
    Full Member

    @Sl2000 I didn’t know you’d had a print out of the codes. Looks like you’ve changed the DPF so you’re a few quid into it already, I’d go with some of the recommendations above and get it fixed.

    Posted 1 month ago
    falkirk-mark
    Full Member

    That guy Jimmy in Orileys is exactly who I would go with if he was near enough, he is completely clued up on all things dpf whereas a lot of other garages just want to fix the symptoms he will get to the root cause.

    Posted 1 month ago
    Tom83
    Full Member

    I watch his videos fairly often. He’s so good at what he does, and explains it in a way even I can understand.

    Posted 1 month ago
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    sl2000
    Full Member

    This is all great advice thank you!


    @dooosuk     this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-LsyhSLGw0 was interesting – quite likely that my local mechanic failed to follow these steps so fingers crossed it’s just that, or the first bit of wiring.


    @RustyNissanPrairie     sorry I didn’t have the print out originally. It was only because @davespike1981 asked for the code that I realised I needed to ask them for it. I see that it does say 500km since DPF change but I’ve not had that done: I guess my garage has programmed a change in to try to clear the fault.

    O’Rileys not near me. I’ll phone the recommendations from @ernielynch of A J Turners in Croydon and @5lab of https://www.autoelectrical-crawley.co.uk/contact.html. Thank you!

    Will update the thread with a conclusion when its fixed – although may be a while if I have to go to Croydon.

    Posted 1 month ago
    brokenbanjo
    Full Member

    Have you tried a new adblue lid? Wife had a C4 that had all kinds of adblue errors and turned out to be the lid that was not sealing properly, so the pressure in the tank was reading odd.

    Posted 1 month ago
    susepic
    Full Member

    You could try calling the boys at Bolney Grange Garage (James or George) they kept my 03 plate Peugeot on the road for way longer than I expected possible. It was petrol, but they have been around for long enough to know what’s what, and also looked after my diesel 3 series before it got nicked.

    Posted 1 month ago
    asbrooks
    Full Member

    I had a similar issue on a 306 several years ago. My local non-dealer garage read the codes and said I can’t help you mate. The list of error codes read like war and peace. He sent to a diesel specialist just up the road from me (doesn’t help you), who reset all the errors codes and after a short spin around the block, reread the error codes. Replacing the fuel filter fixed it.

    It’s hard to imagine there not being a garage local to you that can’t help you. All these issues are well known and should have relatively simple fixies. As I read your post, I though the fuel filter would have been the first thing to check/replace. It’s a relatively cheap thing to replace.

    Posted 1 month ago
    sl2000
    Full Member

    Neither AJ Turners nor https://www.autoelectrical-crawley.co.uk/contact.html will take it – they both said they’ve not seen the issue before and so expect they wouldn’t be able to fix it. AJ Turners said to take it to a main dealer. I was feeling a bit more upbeat yesterday evening; now I’m sad again.

    Posted 1 month ago
    dooosuk
    Free Member

    Get on some owners forums as said above.

    There’s always someone helpful with a code tool thats happy to help.

    Have you phoned back your local garage and asked if they coded the new pump correctly, checked wiring etc?

    Posted 1 month ago
    susepic
    Full Member

    Did you try Bolney SL? Worth a call if nothing else …..

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    Posted 1 month ago
    sl2000
    Full Member

    @susepic Just tried Bolney. He can’t help either. He says they’ve seen these before. All they can do is change the pump. If that doesn’t fix it it needs to go to the main dealer.

    Posted 1 month ago
    ernielynch
    Full Member

    AJ Turners said to take it to a main dealer. I was feeling a bit more upbeat yesterday evening; now I’m sad again.

    Sorry to hear that. They recently told friends of mine with  Peugeot DPF issues that they couldn’t deal with it and to take it to a main dealer, which is why I went straight to a main dealer myself. It was only when Stellantis quoted £2k that I went to Turners in desperation and they sorted it all out for two hundred and something quid. .

    Having said that my friends who went to Stellantis after Turners said they couldn’t deal with their DPF issue were very happy with the result. They had to take it a second back a second time but it cost something like four hundred quid, so nowhere near my £2k. Good luck.

    Posted 1 month ago
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    susepic
    Full Member

    Worth a try SL – I’ll give them a hard time next time i’m there with our French 13 plate.

    Posted 1 month ago
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