A got a Magnus earlier this year, it's been good. I would say it's worth getting a ANT dongle if you don't have one. I found connecting my HR and trainer to Zwift via bluetooth to be a faff. The ANT connection just works every time I fire up the laptop and spin the bike. They're pretty cheap. Also, a proper trainer tyre. I used some old road tyres but but there was some slippage at high efforts and wear to the roller.
HR monitor. Some races insist on HR monitor being worn.
Plus a fan, something to play music, and a large rubber/plastic mat to catch the sweat.
My boy asked if he could do a zwift event. Closest to compatible was a 2.0 German ride so off he goes
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Same surname as me, give him a thumb if you see him out there.
I’m wanting to start doing regular group rides each week and I’ve never done any before. Is it a case of trying some randomly (at the expected cat level) or are there certain organisers/groups that are better?
Have look on zwiftpower for the scheduled rides. You could always just enter a race as lowest category and just ride around in that.
Weeksy - that garage door is going to give me nightmare - tell me there are deadbolts in the corners.
BTW kids under 16 can get a free Zwift account. Have a look on Zwift Insider from a couple of weeks ago. My 7YO is now giving me grief up hills with his tiny weight when I'm on a steady day rather than pushing a full size adult avatar around with a bodge to get the power up on a dumb trainer.
Weeksy - Overunders seem to be 95% to 105% for varying times. 1minute to 2 minutes and varying the length of the over or the under.
Saw a few of you on there last night. I have spent the last 3 nights doing 15 mile Z2 gentle rides as I am doing the Jennride on Sunday so don't want to knacker myself for that so no racing this week. Will prob hop on for another 15 miles tonight.
Is it just me or is London pretty boring - guess I never noticed as have been doing races previously but it isn't that interesting to ride around. I much prefer Watopia.
At least it is Watopia today and I unlocked the Jungle map I think last night as I finally reached Level 10 so might have a play around there.
BTW kids under 16 can get a free Zwift account
Yup, that's what my lad uses. He's not Zwifted for 6+ months but last night said "I want to be faster for Swinley to make you happy"... Who am i to argue... 50 mins later he'd done 30km at 1.8w/kg... I had to force him to finish early
There's a simple hack to set the world to wherever you want. Of course that's not much use of you want to do a specific event.
What’s the simple hack?
(Hopefully it works on an AppleTV)
Changing the device date to whatever date had the course you want. You're then placed in that world instead.
Is it just me or is London pretty boring – guess I never noticed as have been doing races previously but it isn’t that interesting to ride around. I much prefer Watopia.
Have you tried the Surrey Hills circuit? A great training and/or racing route I think. Certainly better than New York or Richmond.
Surrey Hills isn't really suitable for me doing Z2 training. I end up going to hard on the ills and upping the HR! Need something pretty flat to keep the HR down.
You can do Z2 on the hills, just takes a bit more self discipline to control your output. I did Box Hill last night in Z2. Also done the Alpe in Z2 though found it really hard to not go harder on that effort!
For me London is way better than NY. Richmond is so bad its hardly worth bothering.
Oh yeh I realise I can do Z2 on the hills - it is the self discipline that is lacking! At the end of the day you are just spinning - its what is entertaining your brain or eyes that makes the difference.
I really enjoy Watopia but I only started Zwifting in September - since then it hardly ever seems to get selected (or at least not when I happen to be Zwifting) so I end up on one of the other tours.
If you use a PC/Mac you can probably still use https://zwifthacks.com/zwift-preferences/
it loads a bit of software that sets your preferences for a ride, including venue
(don't forget to "cancel" it afterwards as it remembers the choice or you'll be riding round empty roads next time out, too)
https://zwiftinsider.com/world-tag/
World hack for pc, site has solution for at least some other platforms like iOS.
https://zwiftinsider.com/using-the-trainer-difficulty-setting-in-zwift/
Reduce the setting to reduce the feel of the gradient, it's 50% by default IIRC. If for instance you don't want to have to put out ~250W to get up the final hill to the radio mast in your lowest gear, lower it to ~25% and you will now have a virtual dinner plate sprocket to use... You will be putting out far less power, almost certainly reducing your heart rate and your speed will drop. But you will get to the top.
Edit: Forgot about that tool that scaredypants has linked to, makes things very simple. Just be aware that if you have overridden the world setting from default and an event you have entered is on the default world, it will completely screw up your race!
It's the start of the new Zwift tour today then. Not sure i have the legs for the long one today, but i may jump on the shorter one at 2 laps of the jungle layout at a nice easy 200w.
I've signed up for the long route at 17:00 and there are over 2700 entrants so far!
I'm in a bit of a loop of getting blown out the back of races and feeling knackered. Not been posting write ups as they would be very samey and demoralising. Going to cut races down to one a week and try some proper training for a bit. A bit of digging shows my 1 minute power sucks so will be trying to get that on par with my 5 minute and FTP efforts.
Another STW rider sent me a message last night when I was doing a Watopia Mountain 8 race but I didn't reply as struggling with last hill. Apologies.
Forza, my 10 year old is in the shorter one 🙂 There's another couple of STWers in it with you in A as well.
I only did the short one today due to time constraints and dentist appointments lol.
Did the B at 5. 2000 riders in the category and still managed to spot Weeksy's lad requesting rideons at the start! Planned to take it steady but ended up with a good group working hard. I forgot how addictive it can be.
I actually bothered to look at my power curve for my race today and it seems i managed to hold over 8.5w/kg for 30s with a peak of 9.6. I also had 1min power of 6.2, i felt tired in the race and very tired afterwards,never again....well till next time.
I also put a fresh battery in my tickr hr and destroyed my msx hr (it went from 183 to 190). What i cant workout is if my hr is now reading correctly or is now inaccurate. My avg hr was very high too so not sure which it is.
Yesterday I barely had energy and motivation to get onto the trainer. So just did a very gentle 40 minutes at HR under 120bpm.
Tonight felt a bit more motivated so did the 18.55, 3 lap, Team Italy Gladiators Race. There were only about 15 A cats entered, and probably the same B cats.
As is usual it started fast to dissuade the hanger ons, and almost straight onto the Zwift Island Climb that made a front group of about 10. On the 2nd lap there were only 4 of us who went over the top together, and at the bottom of the climb I broke away when I noticed some were trying to draft and gaps had formed - it worked and I made a gap whilst others I assume were waiting for someone to try and chase me.
I guess they were waiting for each other to make the first move, because I gained about 30 seconds on them in no time which I should never have been able to do if they were riding together. The last lap I could see 3 of them were working together and were starting to close the gap - so I put a big effort up last climb, and looked as if one of the other chasing riders did too, cos they were spread out again which enabled me to keep the gap ... and grab my first A cat win.
Good work mooman. I did 30 minutes tonight but it was so laggy I stopped after that. Think it was the number of users on.
Forza, my 10 year old is in the shorter one 🙂 There’s another couple of STWers in it with you in A as well.
I only did the short one today due to time constraints and dentist appointments lol.
I had a bit of a nightmare at the start as my inRide power module dropped out about 10 seconds after the start of the race. I couldn't get it to reconnect so had to switch to virtual power with my speed sensor. By the time I got going I was about 3 minutes back so had to TT for about 15 minutes to get back with a decent group. Good laugh though!
I hope your kid enjoyed it weeksy.
Great work Mooman.
Forza, my lad lacked legs and a minor gear issue, he pulled the plug after 26min. He did 55 mine yesterday on zwift so no shame in being tired of leg tonight.
How do you view past runs in Zwift to view average FTP, HR etc, can you only open them up in Garmin or Strava ?
I have looked in Zwift under activities and it only lets me edit the title???
time to dip my toes back in after Christmas, last rode 19/12/18, kids seem to have been off school forever and Christmas has been very busy this year, time to get back in the habit,
Luther is really clashing with my ToW plans!
I'm starting to get some form back after over training before christmas, the odd strava achievement it popping up outside again. keen to not push too hard on Zwift though with Strathpuffer in 2 weeks.
Ooooh i've always fancied that Scaled, but logistics is fairly impossible for me. I'd want multiple helpers, a big warm tent/gazebo etc etc....
How do you view past runs in Zwift to view average FTP, HR etc, can you only open them up in Garmin or Strava ?
I think you need to to register for Zwiftpower to see that in any useful form.
How do you view past runs in Zwift to view average FTP, HR etc, can you only open them up in Garmin or Strava ?
You can see it in the companion app now. Go to Activity feed, select just me, select the activity, swipe the map for two pages of graphs.
I’ve been off Zwift since March last year. Combination of ankle healing enough to ride MTB and the weather being a lot nicer to ride MTB 🙂
Back on it now, bought a direct drive trainer. Big difference. Rather than just riding about with no objective other than to ruin myself, I’ve signed up for one of the 12 week plans. It’s basically a set of 4 workouts per week of between 60 and 90 mins- all a variation on interval training. It’s not much fun but I like the structure.
Had my first ever (C) group ride today. Not a race. Only even ridden with (D) which was too easy. C was fine but an hour was enough. I can’t imagine what A and B are like !
Apologies in advance for the probably stupid question - does Zwift automatically adjust FTP based your TT sessions?
Or do you have to carry out a specific FTP test?
PS - I know FTP isn't necessarily the best way to measure fitness or compare against others - I'm just curious about Zwift works!
Zwift will tell you if it thinks your FTP has gone up at the end of any ride. I don't think it ever adjusts this down though.
Thanks Nixie!
Zwift will tell you if it thinks your FTP has gone up at the end of any ride. I don’t think it ever adjusts this down though.
Yeah, just says things like "tapering for something?" or "shall I call for a priest?"
time to dip my toes back in after Christmas, last rode 19/12/18, kids seem to have been off school forever and Christmas has been very busy this year, time to get back in the habit,
well not today, went to inflatanation with the kids, was going to book 2 hour hours, was lucky to see out the hour, I'm sure they had more fun than me though, ruined 🙂
Just found out that on 19th Dec i had a KOM on zwift, it has now just been beaten twice today so i am now in a lowly 3rd place. I dont remember doing it so it must have been really fast. It was a a 1.7 mile segment on the Astoria south loop.
Someone made the section today because they prob noticed the group pulled them along faster than usual.
Mooman - i dont doubt for a second that my effort was part of a large group as there is no way i am quick as an individual.
So Tour de zwift issues...... anyone else having them?
Attempt #1:
Started off the start gate half the pack went left on the main course, I went right, all settled in then after 10KM another "Wrong turn" about three of us going in the wrong direction, obviously no way back from that, aborted.....
Attempt #2:
Went right again but then off the course, through bushes and just stopped, I was pedalling, legs moving but I was doing nothing.
My set up has been bomb proof for 2 years of zwifting, no internet connection issues.
Frustrating.....grr......
Anyway, what direction should stage 2 go when joining the main route??
Going to try again at 21.00, hopefully should be a little quieter then (Accepting its a worldwide platform).....
blader1611
Member
Mooman – i dont doubt for a second that my effort was part of a large group as there is no way i am quick as an individual.
I wasnt getting at how you got the initial time; just offering an explanation for how you didnt notice it when you first got it.
After all - apart from climbing the longer sections like the volcano or the Alpe - every other section in zwift will be heavily influenced by whatever group your in.
I did the 18.40 Criterium Training Race (BRT) this evening ... got dropped from the front group 2nd lap into the 4 lap race ... but increased the ftp to 295, so not all bad.
A cheese and onion baguet 20 mins before a race isnt a good idea if anyone ever considers it ...
harry too
Member
So Tour de zwift issues…… anyone else having them?
On both stages my Bluetooth connection has dropped out at the start. Today I warmed up for ten minutes in Central Park with no problems and as soon as I joined the event it dropped out and I had to resort to Ant+ virtual power.
I've seen a few funny things as well like riders moving but their avatar not pedalling. I've also seen several riders with their name banner on the main screen but not appearing in the "Riders Nearby" panel on the right. Zwift are starting to become victims of their own success I think. They need to divert some of the cash they are obviously raking in for more processing power.
I won't be entering another of these Zwift tours again. Just too many riders attracted to them. It's not as much fun or fulfilling as racing either.
Having not raced before, I’m enjoying the zwift tour so far. 1 down so far and legs are heavy. Strategically doing stage 2 late tonight for more recovery time. Feels like a nice beginner event
OK so what can I do to get the most bang for my buck so to speak.
I bike commute into work normally at least 4 days a week (depending on school pickups) which is 6.5 miles in and 6.5 miles out.
I plan to have Monday and Wednesday evenings free for Zwift sessions, and then Sunday mornings to go out for a proper ride so to speak.
I am thinking of doing a race on Wednesday evenings which leaves me with 1 Zwift session per week. Any tips on what workout I should be looking at to improve general fitness. Can prob do up to 90 minutes during the session and I know there are a number of generic workouts to undertake.
Any tips on what workout I should be looking at to improve general fitness.
It depends on what you mean by 'general fitness' really. You kind of have two option, I'd have thought, one would be to work out what your weaknesses are - sprint power, ftp, anaerobic or whatever - and choose a workout to specifically address that.
The other, vaguely opposite approach, would be to find a workout that tries to address a little bit of everything. I don't know what that would be on Zwift, if it were Sufferfest, it'd be something like Blender...
... but if you're doing a hardish ride on Sunday, you might not be fully recovered to do a hard session on Monday evening, but that depends on what the Sunday ride looks like.
You can also tweak your commute so it becomes more training orientated by, say, throwing in some sharp sprints or whatever, depending on what you're trying to improve.
I don't know if that's very helpful, but 'general fitness' is a pretty broad sweep. You might be better doing some running or resistance work / weight training for example, but it all depends on what you're trying to achieve and what you're strengths and weaknesses are, I think.
More aiming to lose weight actually. My fitness is pretty good and I find I struggle on hills because I am trying to shift weight up them. I struggle less on Zwift because you aren't physically carrying the weight up a hill (I realise that Zwift adjust the in game speed relative to your weight).
So calorie burning is prob what I am really looking for (but without sitting at Z2 for an hour at a time)
One thing i'd say with the commutes, is start wearing your HRM - If you've got the premium strava thing then it gives you a really nice fitness and freshness thing - try and keep it in the zones and you'll see your "general fitness" increase. It should stop you from completely burning yourself out.
I was feeling great 2 months ago, smashing times on the commute, getting up early and doing 30 miles instead of 6. One long mountain bike ride at race pace and i went pop. It's taken me ~8 weeks to get back to where I was previously cos I wasn't resting enough and my commutes weren't in the data cos of no HRM.
We've been enjoying the tour, yes 3500 people is a struggle and I saw others having problems but it worked for me. My avatar's feet sometimes stop turning even when I'm going hard but that is a problem with my sensor (perhaps location on side of shoe doesn't help, but that's where it sits).
@scaled I would say I was the same. Had a cough before Christmas which hasn't fully shifted but I do find I feel a bit sluggish at times on the commute. Will start wearing the HRM and see what that shows.
It's better if you have heart and/or power data, but https://cricklesorg.wordpress.com/ (free) can estimate your efforts without gadgets for fitness/fatigue/form, as can Elevate (formerly known as Stravistix, free plugin for Google Chrome) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/elevate-for-strava/dhiaggccakkgdfcadnklkbljcgicpckn?hl=en
So calorie burning is prob what I am really looking for (but without sitting at Z2 for an hour at a time)
As I understand it, you'll burn more calories outright - and with an ensuing faster metabolism after the session - with intense stuff than plodding along in zone 2, although the low intensity stuff will use more fat at the time, so you're still arguably better off doing some intense intervals, particularly if you only have 90 minutes.
On the recovery front, I use a phone app called ithlete which gives you a holistic estimate of your recovery like a sort of glorified resting heart rate, but more sophisticated.
As I understand it, you’ll burn more calories outright – and with an ensuing faster metabolism after the session – with intense stuff than plodding along in zone 2, although the low intensity stuff will use more fat at the time, so you’re still arguably better off doing some intense intervals, particularly if you only have 90 minutes.
On the recovery front, I use a phone app called ithlete which gives you a holistic estimate of your recovery like a sort of glorified resting heart rate, but more sophisticated.
But with the high intensity, fatigue can be highger meaning you need more rest, then over the course of a week etc you'd actually burn less as you've rested more overall.
My Garmin yesterday said my recovery from race is 72 hours.. LOL.... it doesn't know i'll be Zwifting today 🙂
Mine will be a Z2 effort today as not racing at the moment but trying longer slower rides... it will 'only'be 90 mins, but that's 30-40 more than Zwift races along with being the start of 5-2 today and a fasting day.
Did TdZ the other day - Wasn't up for a race really (which of course, it's not!) I wasn't even on the turbo at the start as I'd jumped off the bike to turn the heater off, I get cold feet on the turbo, alright?
I had to go pretty hard to get up to ~50th or something by the bottom of the first climb (from 500+ at the start) but with a long line of riders was pretty much always in the draft, dug in again to get up the climb and got to the front of the chasing pack, the quick guys had gone well off the front as soon as it pointed uphill. That climb in NY is STEEP.
I'd had enough by the time we were halfway down the descent and figured i'd just drop back to the next group on the road and spin my legs out, dropped to the back of the pack and Jesus... We were 6 mins up on the next rider, sod that. There were about 20 in the group I was in so just tried to sit in as best I could, still going at a fair old lick though, are these #DoubleDraft? We caught the lead group and it calmed down a bit until the forward KOM where the 10 fast lads got away again, nice final sprint though, 12th overall but 3rd in the 'best of the rest' group I was in. Lack of powerups meant i got hammered by 2 lads with aeros.
Not bad for my first decent effort on Zwift for a while and was nice to ride all of NY, i've not spent a lot of time there.
You know nobody else was trying as it's not a race don't you 😉
🙂
But with the high intensity, fatigue can be highger meaning you need more rest, then over the course of a week etc you’d actually burn less as you’ve rested more overall.
It doesn't sound like the rest of the week is super demanding, but who knows. Sitting in zone 2 for 90 minutes is kind of dull, though I guess that there may be research that shows you burn more fat on duller rides 😉
Lets say for example a person does 4 hours a week at higher intensity, doing say 1 hour 4 days and hitting a max of 180bpm for the sprint and a 165bpm average...
Does he burn more calories than a guy doing 8 hours per week but only hitting 150bpm average....
That's the question.
If we then ask ourselves if the 'fat burning zone' actually exists and whether him working in that zone is better for weight loss.... Hmmmm
Sounds like I would be better of just doing a race on Mondays and Wednesday then! Rest of the week isn't that hard really. Sunday rides can be whatever I want but are there for enjoyment.
A race is generally a fairly constant just below threshold effort and will only get you so far doing those.
I'd suggest using the Monday and pick an interval session out of Zwifts list and see how it goes.
Start with overunders or 30 second intervals at VO2 Max 120% FTP
Might be worth doing a proper FTP test before these though.
I've not looked through Zwifts catalogue of stuff though recently to see what fits.
Then there's a couple of popular ones Jon's short Mix and Matt Hayman Paris Roubaix.
Take it easy on the way to work and back every day and maybe make Friday harder if you're up to it.
Back it off every fourth week (or when you need to if sooner). Remove the intensity and skip the race.
A race is generally a fairly constant just below threshold effort and will only get you so far doing those.
Second this. I was doing just races and have completely plateaued. Now trying to add some structure to go further.
Cheers Tom - I will have a look at those workouts and give some a go. Have done a proper FTP test already but could do it again see what results I get.
Managed stage 2 with a near FTP ride; oddly as Ive not ridden in a long time prior to stage 1. Definitely pushed a bit with the excitement of the event and riding with others.
So, despite being a member since the beta days, I did my first pack ride tonight (NY Metro ride).
Hated the first half of it, it was so busy. Didn’t really understand the etiquette, spent the first bit trying to stay with the W/kg but not many others seemed as diligent (which given the tedium, I didn’t blame them).
Then the 2nd half settled in with a group that seemed to want to keep a fairly steady effort.
Is that the point of the pack ride, just work your way through and about half way you find a group who seem to fit your pace naturally? Seems obvious enough, I know.
iamtheresurrection - the Metropolitan was my first pack ride too and my experience was similar. I just used it as a leg spinner - trying to keep close to the ride leader with the odd burst (usually after my concentration had drifted).
I've read a fair bit of this thread - one toddler and a newborn has severely limited my opportunities for exercise, and using a turbo in the spare room once the kids have gone to bed seems like it would be a good way of halting the (seemingly unstoppable) advance of the dad-bod.
Can I ask a couple of noob questions re: zwift/turbo setup?
Am looking at the Wahoo Kickr, and will be using it with my 2x10 MTB (Prince Albert). My Cycling fitness is non-existent right now (see above) so I imagine that I will mostly be using the structured training programs to begin with, rather than racing.
I know the Kickr/zwift will work with a 2x10 mtb setup, but will having MTB gearing noticeably impact the "usability" of the platform?
I know that the direct drive trainers automatically adjust the resisitance for you - but my assumption is that having MTB gears will mean me spinning-out relatively easily on the flats/downhills. Or does the smart trainer somehow compensate for this by increasing resistance? Sorry - I'm just not really clear on how they work in practice.
What is ERG mode?
but will having MTB gearing noticeably impact the “usability” of the platform
Kinda, a bit. If you have say a 34T front then you may need more gears, but if running a double, then your big is likely to be a 38T or more... 38T will get you to the low end of B at least. On a 38T i can stick down 320w at 90cadence continually.
ERG mode is where it adjusts the resistance to give power/cadence training i think. So it say "Right, do 200w at 75rpm" and it adjusts things to facilitate. I think in ERG the hills don't exist as you're training not riding up/down in a normal context.
p.s a 700C x 32 Tacx tyre fits perfectly on MTB rims and works on either a 27.5 frame or 29er.
The stronger you get the more I think mtb gears will cause an issue. If your a masher then you'll be running out of gears. If your a spinner then the big (relative to a road cassette) gaps between gears will make it difficult to hold a steady cadence. However to start with no it won't be an issue. If you find yourself really getting into it then a dedicated turbo bike would be a better idea. One thing to consider is the need to calibrate a wheel on trainer more frequently than a direct drive. This looked like a complete faff if you wanted to maintain reliable power readings which was one of the main reasons I spent to extra to have a direct drive model.
but will having MTB gearing noticeably impact the “usability” of the platform
Kinda, a bit. If you have say a 34T front then you may need more gears, but if running a double, then your big is likely to be a 38T or more… 38T will get you to the low end of B at least. On a 38T i can stick down 320w at 90cadence continually.
Yeah, I think its either a 38 or 40..... sounds like it will see me right for the first "phase" 🙂
Another stupid question (I know nothing about road bikes): how could I upgrade my groupset to give me more roadie-like gearing? I'm assuming I can't fit roadie chainrings to an MTB crank? Is there some hybrid/treking groupset which would fit an MTB but gives roadie gearing? Sorry - as I said...this is a whole new world.
Edit: Am definitely going for a direct drive trainer, Wahoo Kickr probably
ERG mode is where it adjusts the resistance to give power/cadence training i think. So it say “Right, do 200w at 75rpm” and it adjusts things to facilitate. I think in ERG the hills don’t exist as you’re training not riding up/down in a normal context.
Almost this. It doesn't adjust the cadence, just the power. So I this example whether you choose to pedal at 50RPM or 120RPM the smart trainer - you have to have a smart trainer - will adjust accordingly so you are always putting out 200w.
Its good for med-long steady training intervals where you want to hold power and take some mental effort away from the process.
And yes, in ERG mode the trainer no longer responds to incline/decline.
nother stupid question (I know nothing about road bikes): how could I upgrade my groupset to give me more roadie-like gearing?
I just bought a 42T N/W ring. Works fine
On another note I reached level 20 last night and got awarded a Trek Madone - go me!
I also got a £10 handlebar mount for my phone so I can use Zwift Companion. It was OK other than the flood of messages. I don't think its good for workouts TBH when - for me anyway - the distraction is awful, but for group rides/events being able to chat and organise is good fun.
I just bought a 42T N/W ring. Works fine
Simple as that? Oh well I'll stop worrying about it then 🙂
Tour De Zwift for me tonight.. started virtually at the back (of a field of almost 5000) after a big glitch left some of us twiddling our thumbs / pedals as the pack rode away. My first taste of Keith Hill and I quite enjoyed it!
3R super series race was mega this evening. So many of the massive big guns out that the pace was killer! Nearly puked on lap one!
Nixie - just looked at the results and that must have been brutally fast. A few people i have raced against who wipe the floor with me were over 2 mins down on the winner and barely in the top 50.