Being tasered causes the hands to clench, along with causing severe, full-body muscle contractions and involuntary stiffening.
Holding a knife then tasered and this means he grips the knife tightly. A Taser is designed to cause Neuromuscular Incapacitation (NMI)—a state where the muscles contract.
So is violence at the hands of the police now the norm ?
It's easy to hide being anti-semitic under the cover of careful language, I know how people like you behave. How nice it must be to have the privilege to not worry about your families safety.
You do realise how completely meaningless accusations of "anti-semitism" have become, right?
You do realise, you don't get to comment on what is clearly racist behaviour patterns unless you are from the minority.
You seem very sensitive to being labelled who you really are.
But the other side of this is that if you're a grown-up in the public eye, you shouldn't leap in with both feet and broadcast a snap judgment to the world on social media based on having watched a few seconds of video
Isn’t that exactly what Starmer, the Met, and everyone else who labelled this guy a “terrorist” did?
He’s not been labelled a “terrorist”, but to the police it was possibly a terrorist attack and so they had to act as if that might be the case.
He’s not been labelled a “terrorist”
Here is what Starmer actually said:
"Yesterday, Britain’s Jewish community suffered yet another vile terrorist attack. Two men stabbed in broad daylight on the streets of Golders Green because they were Jews."
Here is what Starmer actually said:
"Yesterday, Britain’s Jewish community suffered yet another vile terrorist attack. Two men stabbed in broad daylight on the streets of Golders Green because they were Jews."
Your point being? If it looks like a duck and quacks like duck......
Holding a knife then tasered and this means he grips the knife tightly. A Taser is designed to cause Neuromuscular Incapacitation (NMI)—a state where the muscles contract.
Fair point, however there is no guarantee that use of a taser results in full NMI. Wearing a “bulky looking jacket” is a tactic employed to prevent NMI and allow an individual to continue functioning. I assume the police will be well aware of this as they deal with a number of tasered individuals.
Edit: no idea why the bold type face is inverted in the above quotes.
You do realise, you don't get to comment on what is clearly racist behaviour patterns unless you are from the minority.
Say what now ?
IANAE but had wondered on this so went googling
Being tasered causes the hands to clench, along with causing severe, full-body muscle contractions and involuntary stiffening.
Holding a knife then tasered and this means he grips the knife tightly. A Taser is designed to causeNeuromuscular Incapacitation(NMI)—a state where the muscles contract.
Correct. However, it only lasts for the duration of the tasering and once the current stops (and typically law enforcement tasers are a 5 second cycle, says google) the victim will regain full control within 1-2 seconds.
That seems pretty consistent with the video I saw, the police and the civvy can't release the knife for a short period and then can, I've not watched it again but my recollection would be consistent with those sorts of timings. So on one hand putting the boot in before had has had a chance to decide to be consciously compliant or not compliant seems heavy handed; on the other waiting for him to decide he isn't going to be compliant before acting is a high risk. Bear in mind he wasn't simply threatening people with a knife, he'd already demonstrated he was going to hurt people.
Does make me wonder what the 'correct' action should be in such a case. If muscles are totally contracted it may be difficult to cuff someone before they regain control, particularly if trying to manipulate a hand with a sharp knife in it. I also recall the London Bridge attackers had taped their hands over their weapons so they couldn't drop them or be easily disarmed. So maybe ziptying ankles, which would make regaining feet and movement very hard and give more time for manoeuvre. Whatever, I bet those 5-7 seconds pass very quickly for the coppers and I certainly didn't see it as 'wanton brutality'
So is violence at the hands of the police now the norm ?
If you’ve just stabbed a couple of people, I don’t expect that a violent response would come as much of a surprise.
Perhaps he was baffled not to be greeted by a polite negotiator bearing tea and biscuits, ready for a nice chat and some gently probing questions regarding the issues he has with the Jewish community?
He’s not been labelled a “terrorist”
Here is what Starmer actually said:
"Yesterday, Britain’s Jewish community suffered yet another vile terrorist attack. Two men stabbed in broad daylight on the streets of Golders Green because they were Jews."
The third victim seems inexplicably not to count as much.
.So maybe ziptying ankles
If you'd like to stick your head down by somebody who is doing a stabbing attack's boots, crack on.
It's a violent fight and unfortunately, to win you need to exert significant violence. That's not gratuitous violence but actions that will get the suspect down, immobile and eventually cuffed. The majority of the tactics available will be gross motor skills; kicking, grabbing limbs, lying on legs etc. Fine motor skills such as zip ties will desert you in a fight.
I'm talking about while incapacitated by taser. Because as I said, google suggests you have a matter of seconds before they recover and are a threat again. So what do you do while they are down and rigid, which may include holding on to the weapon still.
Yes. Best case you have a few seconds before the person who's tasered is capable again, and you may not be able to disarm them in that time if they have contracted grip that won't release the knife, or eg: like the London Bridge attacks had taped and bound them to their hands so they couldn't be disarmed easily.
So what do you do, if they don't give up, especially given you've used the taser already (can they be reused, if barbs still attached?) Other than the incapacitation by violence that some seem to be offended by.
I'm fully on the police's side here. Take a knife out and start stabbing people, expect to be stopped by whatever means necessary.
The third victim seems inexplicably not to count as much.
He was brown so thats perfectly acceptable,
Meanwhile talk of banning marches, banning slogans etc, whilst the met have decided not to investigate the UK citizens who went to sign up and shoot folk for the IDF. - "seems perfectly legit....nothing to see here...move along now"
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The third victim seems inexplicably not to count as much.
He was brown so thats perfectly acceptable,
I think you're both confusing victim with perpetrator. Turns out he has mental health issues but the police wouldn't have known that at the time and even if they had whilst he was still a threat neutralising the threat is the priority.
As for somafunk's comment, that's just out of order on so many levels.
The third victim was in Southwark, somafunk is not listing the perpetrator as a victim.
It is also alleged Suleiman attempted to murder Ishmail Hussein in a knife attack at Hussein's flat in Southwark, south London, earlier on the same day. Hussein had known Suleiman for around 20 years.
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Possibly, but an easy way to avoid police brutality it's to go around not stabbing people
When the police proposed arming officers with the taser, their reasoning on its use was only in dire circumstances when an officers or members of the public life were in serious danger of harm.
2025 deployed nearly 34,000 times and actual discharged i think is 20% of that. It has been used on pensioners oldest was 92* and on children-youngest the police wont say but thus far it has been used on a 10yr old girl.
It is now being used as an instrument of coercion. Comply or be tortured.
I can remember one incident where a blind man, complete with white stick was tasered because he did not instantly comply
* "In a highly publicised case, Sussex Police officers were cleared of assault charges in May 2025 after Tasering and spraying a 92-year-old amputee in a wheelchair"
I'm talking about while incapacitated by taser. Because as I said, google suggests you have a matter of seconds before they recover and are a threat again
And in those few seconds, depending on their reaction to the taser, you kick, punch, grapple, baton or pin, you do that to restrain or incapacitate fully, control the limbs and remove weapons, once you have some control then you cuff because it's hard work cuffing someone who doesn't want to be.
At a previous employer we used to get trained with fancy wrist locks and ninja manoeuvres for arrests, complete waste of time, it's big, sweeping, violent movements that win and if they've got a knife you have a serious problem on your hands.
Yes, and I wondered what they might do in that time, given it may be difficult to remove the weapon for two potential reasons, and whether restraining limbs away from the weapon itself might be an option.
That's all. I'm OK that a bloke with a knife, particularly one who has clearly just stabbed two people (and latterly turns out a third) is controlled by force, but others seem to suggest a less aggressive tactic is more appropriate. So if strong force isn't used, what instead?
As for somafunk's comment, that's just out of order on so many levels.
Cool, you have obviously read my comment and came t.o an od£ conclusion
The third victim was in Southwark, somafunk is not listing the perpetrator as a victim.
It would appear so, and now theotherjonv has pointed it out I should have known better as I had heard he'd also attacked a long standing friend earlier. My comment was out of order and now I understand the context I'm inclined to agree with your sentiment. I apologise and retract my comment.
That's some beer belly the attacker has.
But the other side of this is that if you're a grown-up in the public eye, you shouldn't leap in with both feet and broadcast a snap judgment to the world on social media based on having watched a few seconds of video
Isn’t that exactly what Starmer, the Met, and everyone else who labelled this guy a “terrorist” did?
No, because they weren't reacting to just a few seconds of video on social media.
* "In a highly publicised case, Sussex Police officers were cleared of assault charges in May 2025 after Tasering and spraying a 92-year-old amputee in a wheelchair"
I find that case troubling too - but "not guilty" was the unanimous verdict of a jury of normal people who heard all the evidence at trial. It's not like it was a decision made by the police themselves.
So if Mr stabby actually stabbed someone else earlier, how are we so sure this was a 'targeted' attack?
Regardless if it is or not, I see the Palestinian marches are to blame for this... I mean that must be the reason right, there is absolutely nothing else going on in the world right now that could possibily motivate someone to do this..🤔
No, because they weren't reacting to just a few seconds of video on social media.
I'm not sure that it makes it better, that they saw more than a quick snapshot and leapt to a completely wrong conclusion. Or at least pretended to, for other reasons.
Regardless if it is or not, I see the Palestinian marches are to blame for this
I blame the Iranians. They sabotaged the funding of mental health services, and then when a dangerous patient was released they beamed evil thoughts into his brain so he'd go out and stab Jews with a kitchen knife.
That's some beer belly the attacker has.
Hopefully that's not a reason to taser someone. Or I'm screwed.
he'd go out and stab Jews with a kitchen knife.
...and non-Jewish people too, although that doesn't seem to be making it into most of the news coverage
Some people seem to think anti-Semitic attacks are all a laugh, or an opportunity to make the point that anti-semitism isn’t a thing.
In the UK, far right attacks on Muslims are still the most common problem. There is also a problem with Muslim fundamentalists attacking our institutions. None of this negates the fact that the rise in attacks on Jews is a very real threat that should be taken seriously.
...and non-Jewish people too, although that doesn't seem to be making it into most of the news coverage
So, he stabs a “non Jewish”acquaintance he has beef with. If he decides that now he’s in trouble he might as well go and live out a fantasy of attacking Jews who are complete strangers… what does that mean?
there is absolutely nothing else going on in the world right now that could possibily motivate someone to do this..🤔
Go on, be more explicit. What "going on in the world" could have motivated the guy to stab his flatmate and then go across London to a Jewish neighbourhood and stab two (obviously) Jewish men?
They are posting in this thread, and clearly (if you read my whole post not just the selective quote) I include you in that. In fact, it’s nearly entirely you.
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Yeah he targeted Jews because… it wasn’t an anti-Semitic attack. We get your point. I don’t agree.
I also don’t agree with Starmer (thanks for the quote, I hadn’t heard that). Politicians shouldn’t be labelling this event as definitely a terrorist attack before investigations have taken place. Especially as it looks like the attacker is likely a lone wolf with mental heath issues.
