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where did Sir Keir Starmer touch you?
You do love your 6th form humour binners, and your mocking reference to the victims of pedophilia. I guess it deflects from your inability to engage in grown-up political discussions.
What I would like to know though is why Sir Keir Starmer is so special to you? You have so so much to say concerning so many politicians...... Kemi Badenoch, Liz Truss, Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, the list is endless, but you have absolutely nothing at all to say about the politician who holds the highest political position in the country. More than that you get into a right strop if someone dares to mention him.
Why is that? Why is Starmer in your eyes such a special politician? Obviously it has nothing to do with him being the leader of the Labour Party because you constantly mentioned his predecessor, and on more or else a daily basis, when he was leader, and you still regularly mention him.
But the current prime minister is different, you never mention him and get quite angry when people do. Care to explain this weird defensive stance you take with regards to Sir Keir Starmer.
You do love your 6th form humour binners,
You bite.
Every. Single. Time.
whatever you say. whatever worthy lengthy screed you think you're writing , over however many countless paragraghs. @binners is just laughing at the fact that he pulled your pigtails again.
Has it not occurred to you that I might actually want to encourage binners Nick?
Why exactly would I not want to? It is the centrists on here that he is embarrassing, not the lefties.
As long as he keeps posting Monty Python pics and making pureil comments rather than challenging political points I am perfectly happy.
Edit : And oh, you don't think that binners bites ? See his "for the love god" recent comment when Starmer was mentioned. There is little doubt that binners gets wound up when Starmer is mentioned.
So, this new political party… do we expect big things of it?
I notice that you cleverly avoided answering the question of whether you firebombed his house.
What have you got to hide Ernesto?
Nothing binners. Now explain your "for the love of God don't mention Sir Keir Starmer". What is it about SKS that makes both special and at the same time, despite being the PM, irrelevant?
It’s already spent, isn’t it.
Nah I suspect it will be keeping a few people up at night. Whilst in itself it isnt likely to win many seats it might result in the loss of others.
Obviously Labour could counter this by offering some left wing policies but all but the most deluded know that wont happen. Might be tricky with Streeting in particular though since he does seem high on the list of who the right wingers want as their glorious new leader.
is just laughing at the fact that he pulled your pigtails again.
Yay he is owning those libtards eh?
rather than challenging political points
Do we have any actual policy positions to debate? Has the politburo met to come up with anything of substance, or are they still squabbling over who's allowed in the clubhouse?
Has the politburo met.......
I think that nicely illustrates dissonance's point concerning how the centrists like to use the same rhetoric as those that they claim to despise, eg the right-wing press.
Yeah...... they're just a bunch of commies!
I was at a local YP on Tuesday and I would say that probably about 75% were former Labour Party members.
Sorry, was just using the terminology lightheartedly put forward by those centrists on Novara:
Assembling the politburo.
How will CEC selection work? Until early next year, the steering committee – consisting of Corbyn and the two other IA MPs who remain attached to Your Party, Ayoub Khan and Shockat Adam – will prepare for the election of 20 people to the CEC. I understand they’ll be joined by a sortitioned (ie randomly selected) committee of ordinary members to provide democratic oversight and accountability until the CEC is in place.
All I would say is that a lot of people have put their faith into Your Party to be something other than a loose alliance of factions who either hate or barely tolerate each other, and to actually start advancing policies that might win popular support. Be nice if they got on with it.
YP was registered with the EC in September. Local elections are in May, YP need to have policies out there in the public domain and as many candidates as possible.
Sorry, was just using the terminology lightheartedly put forward by those centrists on Novara:
It is hardly surprising that a Trot-friendly critical article also uses that 'light-hearted terminology'. But the point remains that it is the same rhetoric as the right-wing media uses. I am sure that you can find plenty more examples from trots if you try!
other than a loose alliance of factions who either hate or barely tolerate each other
To be fair that is a reasonable comment imo. It was with that in mind that I attended Tuesday's meeting with some trepidation, I am pretty much ready to throw in the towel tbh. So it came as something of a shock that it turned out to be an extraordinary friendly meeting despite the obvious significant differences. I don't know if people were deliberately making an effort following the shenanigans of conference, I suspect so to a degree, or how typical it is with regards to the rest of the country, locally the various left-wing groups have historically always worked very well.
YP was registered with the EC in September. Local elections are in May, YP need to have policies out there in the public domain and as many candidates as possible.
No not at all. The consensus on Tuesday was that there simply isn't time for that and the best that can be hoped for is just a couple of candidates in May's local elections. The strategy was always to try to reach agreement with the Greens, especially as they are not particularly strong in areas why YP are likely to be (eg predominantly Muslim areas) and vice versa.
So in May's local elections YP will be not only mostly backing the Greens but probably also actively helping them, and that will include the directly-elected Mayor election. Due to the large amount of former Labour Party members in YP locally, some with decades of experience, YP will probably have more experience of election campaigns than the Greens.
It is hardly surprising that a Trot-friendly critical article also uses that 'light-hearted terminology'. But the point remains that it is the same rhetoric as the right-wing media uses. I am sure that you can find plenty more examples from trots if you try!
Doesn't seem to be an awful lot of trot-friendliness in that article, seemed a fairly safe sum-up of the chaos progress so far, but I will defer to your deeper understanding of in-groups and out-groups among the left. Novara was broadly supportive of Corbyn, no, or has that moment passed? I can't keep up.
Is there a news source you'd recommend that is refreshingly free of Trots/Bolsheviks/Starmerites/Reform supporters masquerading as leftists etc? Seems like a very specific socialism safe-zone, does it even have its own media?
As for contesting the May elections, it should have been possible if the leaders of YP hadn't spent months feuding with each other. Didn't Sultana launch her controversial membership portal because Jeremy simply wasn't getting on with it?
Doesn't seem to be an awful lot of trot-friendliness in that article
So what do you think this is then?
"prompting overwrought fantasies of imminent Trot takeovers among some outside the party"
For me the single greatest disaster has been to leave the door open for the SWP. I don't consider it to be an overwrought fantasy, IMO it all but guarantees the project's failure. I have been persuaded to wait and see what happens because technically the SWP haven't been allowed dual membership yet, conference voted to allow dual membership from organisations approved by the CEC, which hasn't met yet.
But as far as I am concerned it is fait accompli, and I don't know how it's happened but locally we have one SWP member who joined even before the conference! He is utterly disruptive both on local social media and at meetings. Luckily he is away ATM which I guess is one reason why Tuesday's meeting went so smoothly.
As for contesting the May elections, it should have been possible if the leaders of YP hadn't spent months feuding with each other.
No way. You don't go from forming a party from scratch to campaigning in national elections in the space of a few months. Well you can if you want to make fools of yourselves and I think YP has done enough of that for now. Sure there will be plenty of localised areas, especially where a significant amount of the Labour Party, including councillors, have defected, but for majority of wards it isn't really feasible imo.
That's not supporting the Trots, simply downplaying their likely influence, rightly or wrongly. Which would seem to be borne out by your local experience of a single SWP arsehole disrupting a meeting, who is unlikely to be anything more than an annoyance in the longer term, let alone gain any genuine power in the local organisation. Unless you're planning on electing him chair.
You can't win though, if you chuck out these people, you're just doing a 'militant tendency' style purge, just like New Labour did in the 80s. But that was part of the formula that made New Labour electable, and New Labour bad, amirite?
The trick (as the article hints) is to use a broader quorum of membership to make the loons irrelevant, at which point they will take themselves out, and go back to sniping from the fringes, which is what they enjoy.
Another key is, in a policy vacuum, for 'leaders/founders' to use their words carefully when talking about aims, and being careful not to spend the majority of their precious time briefing against their colleagues.
Have they not issued a statement strongly condemning the imperialist aggression of the great Satan against the brave and proud people of Venezuela?
Honestly…. what’s the point of YP if they can’t even do that! 🤷♂️
Have they not issued a statement strongly condemning the imperialist aggression of the great Satan against the brave and proud people of Venezuela?
What do you think about it?
You can't win though, if you chuck out these people, you're just doing a 'militant tendency' style purge, just like New Labour did in the 80s.
It's the claim made by the SWP supporters but it is a false comparison imo. I am no supporter of the trotskyist tactic of entryism but the reality is that Militant were totally committed to the Labour Party's electoral success and fought extremely hard for Labour to win in elections. Disrupting the Labour Party served no benefits to them at all.
In contrast the SWP has no commitment at all to elections locally or nationally, they have never during their 50 odd years of existence ever registered with the Electoral Commission.
YP's single greatest priority right now is to offer disillusioned voters a radical alternative to Reform UK. The very last thing YP needs is to be hamstrung by ultra-leftist who want instant revolution and dismiss elections with the slogan "if elections could change anything they would be banned", and whose modus operandi is to be as disruptive as possible.
That's not supporting the Trots, simply downplaying their likely influence, rightly or wrongly.
Their influence isn't the primary issue imo, it's how disruptive they are, and glossing over that is supporting them.
Militant were totally committed to the Labour Party's electoral success and fought extremely hard for Labour to win in elections. Disrupting the Labour Party served no benefits to them at all.
How did that go?